Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

biblical patriarchy

It makes one wonder how can anyone be a Christian and a feminist?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I would need evidence to be convinced that the family courts award custody more evenly today based on who can provide better.

Ill also look into it myself. Just not now. I feel like garbage in body today.

I get everyone has a perspective. I get @wranger has his also from what he has experienced. I truly don’t know much about courts and how they proceed. I have a limited view. But I will say this…by what I’ve witnessed I do have experience and not statistics. I’m assuming others can say the same. Like @Mink57 who says I was a paralegal. That is witnessed and seen, and knows more than I know about courts. I have a story too though which is a long one. One most probably don’t need to know all the details of.

I do feel like it’s one of the times I saw God the most. Something very profound for me hit hard, that hurt my heart bad. To make a long story short it all brought me to a place where I would not get an opportunity to speak before the judge ruling in man’s court. Even though it hurt me to sickness, I’d have no say in it. Not even asked for my opinion.

It became clear to me that men could not prevent me from going before the True Judge of all things. It was healthy I think, getting on my knees before that Judge. I knew in a mans appointed court I had to present the facts. The judge would want my proof. But kneeling before God as the Judge of all things it became very clear that God knew and had seen what all had taken place over the years, and there was no burden whatsoever to present my case. I didn’t have to labour or manipulate or seek for anything. I didn’t have to go back over the years but I could give it to Him. I knew the moment I went into court that day that all truth would be completely shut down. I mean sealed up right. I’ve never witnessed anything like it. It was supernatural, I think. No one else outside of it would believe me because again…I’d have to present them with the proof. But I have no doubt the court was under darkness that day. How do I know? I’d lived it. I’d walked in it for years and saw behind the scenes all the manipulation, the lies and the rush to quickly cover up any truth from being exposed. The court made a ruling that day based off what was presented which was a facade. I am an anxious person. I have never felt more peace then the day the courts judged according to the lies. There was a calm like I’ve never experienced before. I do think, it’s far better to be in the light then to hide in secret, and darkness. I don’t know what it’s all about. I don’t know if @Wrangler, or @Mink57 or you are right. All I know is by pass experience courts do weigh heaving on money. Even down to who has the more expensive attorneys. I still say in the days of this world where you have two women married, two men …or pronouns the courts will step away from gender based rulings even more.

I know the above probably makes no sense to anyone else because they didn’t walk through those years with me. But God did. There is no way men’s courts are anywhere close to God as The Judge.

 

[Wynona]

I get everyone has a perspective. I get @wranger has his also from what he has experienced. I truly don’t know much about courts and how they proceed. I have a limited view. But I will say this…by what I’ve witnessed I do have experience and not statistics. I’m assuming others can say the same. Like @Mink57 who says I was a paralegal. That is witnessed and seen, and knows more than I know about courts. I have a story too though which is a long one. One most probably don’t need to know all the details of.

I do feel like it’s one of the times I saw God the most. Something very profound for me hit hard, that hurt my heart bad. To make a long story short it all brought me to a place where I would not get an opportunity to speak before the judge ruling in man’s court. Even though it hurt me to sickness, I’d have no say in it. Not even asked for my opinion.

It became clear to me that men could not prevent me from going before the True Judge of all things. It was healthy I think, getting on my knees before that Judge. I knew in a mans appointed court I had to present the facts. The judge would want my proof. But kneeling before God as the Judge of all things it became very clear that God knew and had seen what all had taken place over the years, and there was no burden whatsoever to present my case. I didn’t have to labour or manipulate or seek for anything. I didn’t have to go back over the years but I could give it to Him. I knew the moment I went into court that day that all truth would be completely shut down. I mean sealed up right. I’ve never witnessed anything like it. It was supernatural, I think. No one else outside of it would believe me because again…I’d have to present them with the proof. But I have no doubt the court was under darkness that day. How do I know? I’d lived it. I’d walked in it for years and saw behind the scenes all the manipulation, the lies and the rush to quickly cover up any truth from being exposed. The court made a ruling that day based off what was presented which was a facade. I am an anxious person. I have never felt more peace then the day the courts judged according to the lies. There was a calm like I’ve never experienced before. I do think, it’s far better to be in the light then to hide in secret, and darkness. I don’t know what it’s all about. I don’t know if @Wrangler, or @Mink57 or you are right. All I know is by pass experience courts do weigh heaving on money. Even down to who has the more expensive attorneys. I still say in the days of this world where you have two women married, two men …or pronouns the courts will step away from gender based rulings even more.

I know the above probably makes no sense to anyone else because they didn’t walk through those years with me. But God did. There is no way men’s courts are anywhere close to God as The Judge.

Experience has value too. I like when you share.

 

[Wynona]

It makes one wonder how can anyone be a Christian and a feminist?

I had both influencing me for most of my life. My mom named me after Maya Angelou. Maya Angelou rejected Christianity and promoted self-love and finding your own path in life through her writing. My Mom encouraged a soft feminism due to wanting me to have confidence in the face of racism or sexism.

I don't agree with Maya Angelou. I think only God could be the father she never had and fill the void left by her family abuse, feeling ugly, and feeling worthless.

Feminism owes a lot to Christianity. The idea of inherent value based on inherent worth is a Christian one. One modern UK feminist admitted that in a podcast recently. I posted it but Ill try to find it again if anyone wants.

She said she, as a feminist, would hate to live in a completely secular world without Christian ideals. Where the strong would most definitely take advantage of the weak. Men are stronger and in that sense, don't have to consider the best interests of women if they don't want to.

 

[Biblepaige]

Circular Reasoning. An "open mind" is an anti-concept for never coming to a conclusion. One should have an active mind. Done. These books seep communism along the lines of sex. I am simultaneously well educated in all variants of Cultural Marxism AND reject them all.

The idea that one can only be educated about something if they agree with it is shown false by feminists not embracing the merits of the Patriarchy.

Wow. You just traipsed all over Wynonna.

 

[Mink57]

Earlier @VictoryinJesus said the better provider would be preferred. That would make sense but many mothers are still awarded custody because even if they didn't have good careers, they can still get on government asistance to provide for the children up for custody.

That's the LAST thing the courts WANT. The mother gets custody about 80% of the time. In more than HALF of those custody determinations, the parents agree that the mother should have custody. Many mothers are awarded custody because THEY have been the primary caregiver for the child's day-to-day needs. Who prepares nutritious food for the child? Who shops for clothes for the child? Who tends to the child when the child is sick? Who helps the child with homework and school projects and etc.?

Judges want to disrupt the child's life as little as possible. They like status quo.

Im open to more knowledge on the issue.

Also thank you. I feel a bit better today.

 

[Wynona]

I have no wish to say that working women all do it for the same reasons or even have bad intentions. I know my Mom worked as hard as she did in her career because she wanted to give my brother and I a good life with the best of advantages. I honor her and always will for that.

I do say that there needs to be a lot more realistic information and wisdom presented to women about the choices in lifestyle we have available. And Christian women are to be mentors in this.

You can have a lot of options. But to reap the good of one option will cost the good of another. The idea that you can "have it all" with no major consequences is silly.

Its not that biblical patriarchy and traditional gender roles are a risk free lifestyle free of sacrifices. That doesn't exist. They just do a way better job at giving the most happiness and sustainable rewards over time because it's in line with real differences in men and women and the different priorities we have from those differences.

Example: A big segment of feminists from the second wave onward support sexual freedom with impunity. Free love.

This can and has ruined a lot of women's lives, with other lives in the crossfire.

Women can still choose this path. They absolutely can. But there's a cost.

 

[Wynona]

That's the LAST thing the courts WANT. The mother gets custody about 80% of the time. In more than HALF of those custody determinations, the parents agree that the mother should have custody. Many mothers are awarded custody because THEY have been the primary caregiver for the child's day-to-day needs. Who prepares nutritious food for the child? Who shops for clothes for the child? Who tends to the child when the child is sick? Who helps the child with homework and school projects and etc.?

Judges want to disrupt the child's life as little as possible. They like status quo.

I hear about cases of fathers fighting for children and having the odds stacked against them unfairly. But I agree that the best interest of the child is what matters in a custody dispute, not the gender of the parent.

So, there can be an unequal outcome (80 percent of custudy awarded to mothers) but the result is still good? That's how I feel about traditional marriages and gender roles. Men and women being equally made in God's image does not mean we are the same. It doesn't mean that the just thing is to push for an equal outcome or sameness among men and women at all costs.

I like how you mentioned pride being the enemy in a previous post. I definitely agree with that. And I know it robbed me of peace for a long time.

 

[Wynona]

I have no wish to say that working women all do it for the same reasons or even have bad intentions. I know my Mom worked as hard as she did in her career because she wanted to give my brother and I a good life with the best of advantages. I honor her and always will for that.

Yet it was my mother's strength, encouragement, and unwavering support that made my childhood good, not the lifestyle she was able to give me.

 

[Wrangler]

So, there can be an unequal outcome (80 percent of custudy awarded to mothers) but the result is still good? That's how I feel about traditional marriages and gender roles.

This post shows how feminism is NOT about equality when it benefits women. The common expression and standard of "the best interest of the children" is a man-hating phrase for it denies the parent who makes the most money IS, objectively, the one who is more capable of acting in the best interest of his own child. The diabolical, communist transfer of wealth scheme is the revealed purpose of feminism all along. Insiders wrote books about this nefarious agenda. One way to know this is that no mother has to account to the father and courts how they spend the money "in the best interest of the children." It's just a man-hating presumption.

This post also reminds me when the grandkids were young and came over once or twice per week. After a year of this one Saturday I had to work. Wanting me to be part of the grandkid experience, my wife asked me to estimate what time I'd be home and she'll have the kids brought over at that time.

I thought about it and realized this would cost her about half the time we normally have with them - or more. Not wanting her to lose out, I instituted a policy that she whole-heartedly agreed with. The policy was "Don't Miss Out On Grandkid Time On My Account." I want my wife to maximize her time with the grandkids, regardless of the demands of my job.

This proved a wise policy as her evil daughter began attempting to cause a wedge in our marriage using the grandkids. Her machinations and schemes failed by the grace of God.

The work I had that Saturday was mission critical and a whole team of people came in to perform a variety of engineering functions, including design, process development, testing and equipment validation runs. I was the ring leader, the quarterback, the program manager, the composer to the orchestra, facilitating communication and direction at critical points. Not only was it not merely a few hours, it was a very busy, pressure packed and nearly full day.

In the back of my mind, I had the joy of knowing that at least my wife was enjoying precious time with the grandkids that she will never get back. It made the burden of work easier. None of us can save time. All we can do is spend the time we have wisely.

 

[Wrangler]

Wow. You just traipsed all over Wynonna.

Projecting. Not really addressing the fallacy of the argument when the script is flipped; only by accepting the goodness of the Patriarchy can one show they are educated in its divine ideology.

 

[Wynona]

This post shows how feminism is NOT about equality when it benefits women. The common expression and standard of "the best interest of the children" is a man-hating phrase for it denies the parent who makes the most money IS, objectively, the one who is more capable of acting in the best interest of his own child. The diabolical, communist transfer of wealth scheme is the revealed purpose of feminism all along. Insiders wrote books about this nefarious agenda. One way to know this is that no mother has to account to the father and courts how they spend the money "in the best interest of the children." It's just a man-hating presumption.

This post also reminds me when the grandkids were young and came over once or twice per week. After a year of this one Saturday I had to work. Wanting me to be part of the grandkid experience, my wife asked me to estimate what time I'd be home and she'll have the kids brought over at that time.

I thought about it and realized this would cost her about half the time we normally have with them - or more. Not wanting her to lose out, I instituted a policy that she whole-heartedly agreed with. The policy was "Don't Miss Out On Grandkid Time On My Account." I want my wife to maximize her time with the grandkids, regardless of the demands of my job.

This proved a wise policy as her evil daughter began attempting to cause a wedge in our marriage using the grandkids. Her machinations and schemes failed by the grace of God.

The work I had that Saturday was mission critical and a whole team of people came in to perform a variety of engineering functions, including design, process development, testing and equipment validation runs. I was the ring leader, the quarterback, the program manager, the composer to the orchestra, facilitating communication and direction at critical points. Not only was it not merely a few hours, it was a very busy, pressure packed and nearly full day.

In the back of my mind, I had the joy of knowing that at least my wife was enjoying precious time with the grandkids that she will never get back. It made the burden of work easier. None of us can save time. All we can do is spend the time we have wisely.

I had to read again but I think I understand what you mean.

You could have chosen to have the time with the grandkids postponed till you got to enjoy them with your wife together after work.

Instead you opted to meet the demands of work but not deprive your wife of grandkid time. An unequal sacrifice.

Christianity calls us all to unequal sacrifices because of Christ, who willingly suffered through an unequal sacrificial life for our sakes. Those in power have an obligation to advocate for those without but the default of most believer's lives is to become living sacrifices in service to God and others.

Giving your wife grandkid time gave you joy. Serving my family is something I've come to enjoy. It does not look like my husband and I doing the same things all the time. But it does bless me with self-forgetfulness and purpose which cures self-pity, depression, and anxiety.

We are promised persecution for living Godly. To be persecuted is to be treated unfairly. God is worthy of this.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That's the LAST thing the courts WANT. The mother gets custody about 80% of the time. In more than HALF of those custody determinations, the parents agree that the mother should have custody. Many mothers are awarded custody because THEY have been the primary caregiver for the child's day-to-day needs. Who prepares nutritious food for the child? Who shops for clothes for the child? Who tends to the child when the child is sick? Who helps the child with homework and school projects and etc.?

Judges want to disrupt the child's life as little as possible. They like status quo.

I’m curious. When did you work as a paralegal? What year did you leave it? Or do you still work as a paralegal?

 

[Wynona]

This always gets me. lol

 

[Wrangler]

An unequal sacrifice.

I made a similar comment to my wife and stepdaughter before we even got married. I want her to do the easy work. In application some weeks after I said this, the comparison was her doing no work. Not the same. Not equal.

There is so much wrong with all the collectivist ideologies. One certainly is the prison of equality. We are to love God and others fully - not equally. Your 1 yo love needs are different than when he or she is 10, which is different from 14, and so on.

My favorite OT book is Ecclesiastes. There is a time for every season, meaning equality is bunk. As a father, there was a time for unconditional nurturing. Then there was a time for teaching. Then a time for her to show she learned the lessons, which also means letting her fail. This is a very difficult time for mothers for failure is a tough teacher but overcoming it has no substitute.

Ever hear of matronizing? Feminists have hatred for being patronized but think about what it means in application. While mother's are eager to keep the child dependent ... let mommy tie your shoes ... courage comes from the father, who deems you now have what it takes to do it on your own. From Definition of PATRONIZE
patronize
verb
pa·tron·ize ˈpā-trə-ˌnīz ˈpa-
patronized; patronizing
Synonyms of patronize
transitive verb
1
: to act as patron of : provide aid or support for

Fathers give aid and support for the child's self esteem, growing sense of independence. This is patronize.

In Fathered by God, by John Eldredge, he talks about how indispensable it is to growing into adulthood it is for boys to have masculinity bestowed upon them. In the eyes of men, it can only come. You have arrived, my son. You are ready. I have confidence in you, in your abilities, in your wisdom, in your capacity to deal with the dangers that await in the larger world around you.

Many in the Black community suffer from absent Father's who are not there to inject this self-esteem into the youth. I have 2 Black son-in-laws who are role models for the Black community. Devoted fathers. I am very proud of them. Their sacrifice is unequal to absent fathers.

 

[Wynona]

There is so much wrong with all the collectivist ideologies. One certainly is the prison of equality. We are to love God and others fully - not equally

Yes! Absolutely! I appreciate all you wrote but this is excellent and jumped out at me

We cannot equal what God gave for us and continues to give us. We can only, on a smaller scale, love Him fully in return and love our families fully.

I don't admire my old ways. Id rather keep learning to serve with no more worries about being mistreated. I was so worried about being mistreated, I became the mistreater. Now, Id rather endure mistreatment if it happens with dignity as Christ did, trusting that God will judge, and continue loving and doing good.

 

[Biblepaige]

Projecting. Not really addressing the fallacy of the argument when the script is flipped; only by accepting the goodness of the Patriarchy can one show they are educated in its divine ideology.

Transference.And avoidance.

You posted to me and said this about feminism books,I e books that educate readers about what Feminism is.
Books by the way that Wynonna claimed to have read so to claim she knows what Feminism is. She then asked if I wanted a list of those books she claimed to have read. She's yet to post that list.

So,when you said all this ,reposting your earlier remarks below, you're not talking to me. You're actually talking to Wynonna. Because I never said I studied books to know what Feminism is.

Wynonna did.

You said::
"Circular Reasoning. An "open mind" is an anti-concept for never coming to a conclusion. One should have an active mind. Done. These books seep communism along the lines of sex. I am simultaneously well educated in all variants of Cultural Marxism AND reject them all.

The idea that one can only be educated about something if they agree with it is shown false by feminists not embracing the merits of the Patriarchy." END of your post


" There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

" So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."

" God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for he is not a man, that he should have regret.”

Jesus decided the partriarchal model in his day. Another reason the temples law enforcers hated him.

 

[Mink57]

I hear about cases of fathers fighting for children and having the odds stacked against them unfairly. But I agree that the best interest of the child is what matters in a custody dispute, not the gender of the parent.

I've heard about some fathers fighting for custody too but I'm unaware of the reasons WHY they're fighting. Simply not my 'fight'.

So, there can be an unequal outcome (80 percent of custody awarded to mothers) but the result is still good?

I've said before that fair is not always equal and equal isn't always fair. And let's not forget that of many of the parents going through divorce WITH children, 53% of those parents agree that in their cases, that the best interest of the child would be best served by the child being with the mother. The REASONS for that decision may vary....anywhere from the mother having taken care of the needs of the child for years, while the father wasn't as involved...to the father simply not wanting the responsibility because it would 'curb his desired lifestyle'.

When a couple or one party of the couple decides to divorce, the FIRST thing they will probably do is talk to an attorney. They often come to the attorney with the idea that they'll be taking their case before a judge. Hopefully, the attorney will walk them through the legal process and inform them that unless things are so bad between the couple, the couple will never see a judge.

Courts encourage parents to come up with a fair and reasonable post-divorce parenting plan before the plan is given the stamp of approval by a judge. They encourage the parents to reach a joint custody agreement (or 'shared' custody), but that's not always practical...or even desired by mother and father. And even when a judge signs off on that agreement, does that mean that the parents are locked in to that written document?

Nope.

Does it mean that if you both agree on a change that you MUST go back to court?

Again, nope.

That 80% is only 80% on paper. As to what's actually practiced, that number is quite different.

That's how I feel about traditional marriages and gender roles. Men and women being equally made in God's image does not mean we are the same.

I agree! But it also doesn't mean that God ORIGINALLY created one sex to be superior over the other...at ALL costs.

It doesn't mean that the just thing is to push for an equal outcome or sameness among men and women at all costs.

I agree with "at all costs." But what about at SOME costs? For example, do you believe that women should or shouldn't have the same access to the same education as men?

I like how you mentioned pride being the enemy in a previous post. I definitely agree with that. And I know it robbed me of peace for a long time.

Definitely a difference between pride and hubris. I think pride is o.k. as long as it doesn't grow to excess. Probably deserves a different thread.

 

[Mink57]

I’m curious. When did you work as a paralegal? What year did you leave it? Or do you still work as a paralegal?

I went to school for it in California. Started working in the field in California in 1988. Moved. Worked as a paralegal in New Jersey and Chicago. Left the field in 2012. I was done. Loved researching law. Hated working with lawyers!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I went to school for it in California. Started working in the field in California in 1988. Moved. Worked as a paralegal in New Jersey and Chicago. Left the field in 2012. I was done. Loved researching law. Hated working with lawyers!

I was curious since you agree with the 80 percent (if I understood correctly). From my perspective the world has drastically changed. When I was a young mom starting back in 1988, when my children were young I didn’t question at all if my husband and I separated that I’d be granted primary custody, with him having every other weekend. There was an understood model of yes …the majority favoring women. But if I had my children young today and the same thing happened…a separation. I would not be so confident. I do think the courts would look at my husbands stability, his able to provide stability financially. If he choose to pursue custody I do think he’d have a strong case. If anything, again, I think it would be 50/50. Where 50/50 a lot of the time, not all…leans towards no one paying child support since it’s split where each handles their home and contributes to the children while they are in their care. Only time will tell…but I honestly think the old model is gone. I’ve seen too many court cases in the past decade. I have yet to see it fit the old model from back when I was a mother, or even how it was a decade ago. like I said even grandparents rights have changed from long ago. You listed reasons for deciding on what is best for the children. I doubt those reasons as well. They all seem outdated in the current world we live in. I do think the criteria’s are changing, along with norms. That is just my input.