Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Mink57]

I did. Im glad it says that. If I had to submit to other men as to the Lord...there could be some pretty bad conflict of interests!

Sorry...I don't know WHY that struck me as so funny this morning!

Only my husband and I are one flesh. I'm not one flesh with some rando or even a pastor.

Why do you think it's added in there?

I have a few 'loose' ideas. As I've mentioned before, I don't believe that Patriarchy was WORLDWIDE way back when. Scientific evidence has shown otherwise. I think I brought up that before the first word of the Bible was ever penned (around 2400 B.C.), there was a king of a few city-states in Mesopotamia named Urukagina. Apparently, the custom of polyandry was practiced in his country (as well as other places). He wrote a legal statute that if a woman takes multiple husbands, she would be stoned to death with rocks that had her 'crime' written on them.
Possible that Paul KNEW that polyandry was still practiced in certain parts of the world, and obviously the Bible had not spread to everywhere.

Another possibility might be to discourage women from paying much mind to another man (married or not) so the possibility of the woman committing adultery is lessened.

Like I said, 'loose' ideas.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I would say we disagree when it comes to self and self-interest being unspiritual and wrong.

It's true that we are to deny ourselves in order to submit to the will of Jesus (Matthew 16:24)

However, this is temporary so that God can put us back into an exalted position in eternity. Consider this verse:

Mark 10:29-30 KJV​

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29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,​

30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

I don't see avoiding self and self-interest as the end goal of our faith. It is just a means to that end. In the end, it is the self that we willingly lay down for Christ that will be resurrected and rewarded and judged according to our works. Revelation 20:12.

If all self-interest was wrong, why would Jesus speak of rewards in heaven? Our selves are meant to be redeemed, not just repressed. We are to judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3) and to reign alongside but under Christ (Revelation 1:6).

To humble yourself is a virtue. But God intends to exalt the humble, not just leave them broken and contrite continuously.

My husband and I see false humility as a huge problem amongst Christians today. The Disciples were bold and said very assured and confident statements often. Today we seem all about self-deprecation to the point of saying the opposite of their teaching.

Example of false Christian humility: I can never be anything but a wicked, wretched sinner in God's eyes.

Scripture's take:

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Real humility is not self deprecation. It is honestly assessing yourself and being able to focus on other things the majority of the time. The humble pretty woman doesn't look in the mirror and pretend she is not prettier than other women. She simple uses the mirror to get ready, moves on, and continues serving the Lord.

I think some people are objectively more intelligent and virtuous than others. God created them all and we must respect that all are made in His image. But this idea that no one is better at anything at any point than anyone else doesn't seem biblical to me, but modern like what they taught me in public school that we are all the same regardless of effort and merit.

The Proverbs 31 woman was superior. Scripture said she was rare and valuable like a ruby. Because she feared the Lord is the most important part. Fear of the Lord does make you better. Humility leads to honor and God Himself putting you in that honored place. You don't have to grasp at it for yourself. That's sinful. Just trust God and exalt Him above all else. He will reward that in a way that is very obvious to all people. No need to shy away from that. I think you are likely a morally superior person to a lot of women because you love and reverence the Lord. Sure, self-righteousness and pride are bad. But I reject the idea that we are all equally bad or sinful no matter what. Jesus sets us apart as children of the light. Not because of anything we did but by His plan. And we can have confidence that we are saints in identity, not sinners and can produce good fruit by staying in the Word which forms Christ in us. Christ in us than overcomes sin and gives us spiritual power and authority.

The liberty of the new covenant is that we are dead to the bondage of sin and can now walk as Jesus walked should we continue in Him (1 John 2:6)

Tagging @quietthinker too since he'll likely disagree and add more discussion to my great enjoyment

I feel like you missed the whole point of who the women are. I was just reading yesterday 1 Corinthians 7:35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that you may attend upon the Lord without distraction.

This verse, and its passage it’s set in was on my mind regarding your question of why I think gender roles are a distraction. It was on my mind because of “that you may attend upon the Lord without distraction.” The whole of that chapter is speaking of marriage and virgins and the married man or woman. If we make it literal and about “virgins” or “a wife” and which cares about the things of the world…and which cares for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit …
1 Corinthians 7:34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married cares for the things of the world, how she may please her husband
To me seeing who the two women, the two covenants helps with what this passage is saying concerning “attending to the Lord without distraction”. To make it literal virgins and how a man treats his “virgin” confuses the passage. The difference between “a wife” and “a virgin” is hidden in “it’s talking about women who have not had sexual relations with men” instead of
2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

If any want to still make the difference between “a wife” and “a virgin” literal and an earthly thing instead of the difference in the two Covenants. With all due respect they will scramble that whole passage up to their own harm. It will be their own undoing. To me that is significant because they will swear they can tell everyone the difference between “a virgin” and “a wife” but what profit is there if it creates more confusion?


Self deprecating. If you mean “oh I’m just a worthless sinner doing better than I deserve.” I agree. I don’t like hearing that repeated over and over. That is not what I’m saying. If anything has opened my eyes to value, to profitable, to no longer empty or in vain it is seeing “the Woman” is “New Jerusalem” above which is Free by and through the body of Christ. It helps with all the passages on “Woman”. It far exceeds me as a female but speaks of the New covenant Woman saved through childbirth. To me that changes everything. It was the beginning of me not hearing God as a tyrant, a male chauvinist who viewed “the Woman” as cattle. I used to hear God shouting “GIVE ME MY GLORY” bellowing “GIVE ME. GIVE ME!” Until I heard “Free MY CHILDREN.” God went from a tyrant to a Father whose Glory is His Children.” Where God disciples for “Our Profit” if anything helps with self depreciation it’s hearing a New Perspective instead if that (worn out) message I was hearing where men throw down on women as “the weaker vessel” …a reminder being Paul was glad when “they (he) was weak” saying God the Father told Paul “My strength is Made perfect in Weakness”. Men included because it transcends gender in what is the weaker vessel? As in we have this treasure in an earthly vessel so that the power be of God and not men.

 

[Mink57]

Never have I heard this. The communist lingo is equality. Stick with your evil lingo. Be proud of it.

Obviously not *my* lingo, since I just told you that feminism is about equal RIGHTS.

IF feminism is about EQUAL RIGHTS than your objection is meaningless of public abuse, chauvinism and outright sexist disrespect and hate.

If a man doesn't want to be publicly abused, don't publicly abuse women.
You don't like that chauvinism is NOW being displayed toward men? Then don't display it toward women.
You don't like the idea that some women are NOW expressing sexist disrespect and hate toward men, try looking at some of the INCEL forums. Try reading the Shere Hite Report on Male Sexuality. Try actually see how much sexist disrespect and hatred has been slung at WOMEN for so many HUNDREDS of years.

Once you get a grip on what feminism has been trying to combat, THEN we'll talk.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Scripture's take:

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

To me the above
2 Peter 1:4-9 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. [5] And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; [6] And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; [7] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. [8] For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that you shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. [9] But he that lacks these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and has forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

^is connected to Matthew 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
Which answers the cry what will we eat? What will we drink? how will we be clothed? It is God who gives the increase and “adds” those things above, we can add nothing except it be given of God. 2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;


You have to see how one lacks in those things .. hating and puffed up against his brother, thinking more highly of himself had forgotten that he (also) that he was purged from his old sins. It reminds me of the mirror where one looks and sees his own reflection, his own natural face and turns away, going his own way forgetting what manner of man he was. But one man looks in and continues in unto Liberty…I think that is with grace and mercy in not hating his brother but with an outstretched hand, this man enters in being changed from glory (little “g” to Glory.) a transformation happened by not turning away but continuing in not offended or haughty minded …it transformed from mens own “glory” (which withers away when the sun rises it is burnt) unto God’s Glory. Which is the law of Liberty. I don’t think for a second Paul forgot the manner of man Saul was which to me is why Paul extended the Fruits of the Spirit of God to brothers who persecuted and tormented him…Paul saying necessity has been laid upon him and this Grace, Mercy, Forgiveness, Love(Charity) of God …He Must preach. Paul understood fully God was able to raise the dead up unto Life. This being why Paul stood ground against hard ground (hearts) …Paul knowing who promised was Faithful is able to enter in “beyond the vail”

I forgot…the passage about adding these things…New Jerusalem above, the Free Woman who is saved by childbirth (bearing Fruit unto God) to her it is granted to be clothed in the righteousness of the saints. Which righteousness is by and through Christ. Any man that thinks it’s a shame to be of the Woman who is free, the true Proverbs Woman provided food, drink and clothing given from God by and through the Son….I don’t understand or see why men would not want to be of the Proverbs Woman as well. But fender (I mean gender) disputes build thoughts and a mind where it’s “no, I’m not of the Proverbs 31 Woman. That is only to women(females with boobs and a vagina). <blunt but wake up.

 

[Mink57]

If there are joint financial goals dictating the wife work outside the home, that's still a choice. I think wives should be open to working outside the home if necessary. But how do we define necessary? We have some of the highest standards of living in the world here in the United States. People have forgotten how to live on one income but that doesn't mean its impossible.

It's not that people have 'forgotten' how to live on one income. It's that economic conditions have made it dang near impossible to do so.
More than 2/3rds of the US workforce lives paycheck to paycheck. That means that even dual income couples struggle to meet their financial obligations...and have very little left over to use to 'get ahead'. And it's not as if ALL these couples are partying every night or overextended themselves. They BOTH work hard...and they STILL can't get ahead.

What I almost hear you saying is that, "Gee...if *WE* can live on ONE paycheck, how come nobody ELSE can do this?"

Lots of reasons, Wynona. Upbringing...attitudes toward money...attitudes toward employment...I mean, from what I understand about you, you DID once work, right? So...you didn't ALWAYS live on ONE paycheck with your husband, right?

 

[Wrangler]

If a man doesn't want to be publicly abused, don't publicly abuse women.

One thing is not dependent on another. It's just as true to say if women doesn't want to be publicly abused, don't abuse men.

 

[Mink57]

One thing is not dependent on another. It's just as true to say if women doesn't want to be publicly abused, don't abuse men.

Except men are the one's who STARTED this whole abuse thing.

I don't necessarily share the whole "eye-for-an-eye" attitude but I can definitely understand it. Some people only learn NOT to do the wrong thing once the wrong thing is done to THEM. Case in point: Have seen/heard men cheating on their wives once, twice, 8, even 10+ times. They thought they were entitled because after all...men have needs. They're all smug about their antics...

...until the day they learn that their wife cheated. Once. NOW it's a whole new ball game. How dare SHE! After all he DID for her! He 'gave' her a house and "stuff"! Meanwhile, what SHE 'gave' him was a clean and orderly HOME. It didn't matter to him. He saw what he did as more valuable, and therefore he was 'owed' his 'fun'. And he saw her transgression as worse than his own.

Talk about double standards and how are double standards fair?

 

[Wrangler]

Except men are the one's who STARTED this whole abuse thing.

Victim mentality 101. There's always an exception so you don't have to take responsibility. Equality except. Gotcha!

 

[Mink57]

Victim mentality 101. There's always an exception so you don't have to take responsibility. Equality except. Gotcha!

You mean...kind of like what YOU'RE doing on this thread?

"Ohhhh poor men! We're at the hands of that evil Feminism! Feminists are fighting back against our unfair ways! Woe is US!"

Talk about victim mentality...sheesh!

Besides, I said equal RIGHTS. Start paying attention, Wrangler.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Except men are the one's who STARTED this whole abuse thing.

I don't necessarily share the whole "eye-for-an-eye" attitude but I can definitely understand it. Some people only learn NOT to do the wrong thing once the wrong thing is done to THEM. Case in point: Have seen/heard men cheating on their wives once, twice, 8, even 10+ times. They thought they were entitled because after all...men have needs. They're all smug about their antics...

...until the day they learn that their wife cheated. Once. NOW it's a whole new ball game. How dare SHE! After all he DID for her! He 'gave' her a house and "stuff"! Meanwhile, what SHE 'gave' him was a clean and orderly HOME. It didn't matter to him. He saw what he did as more valuable, and therefore he was 'owed' his 'fun'. And he saw her transgression as worse than his own.

Talk about double standards and how are double standards fair?

I can see your point. It’s the same with respect. There’s a voice that a man can talk to his wife harshly…yet let her speak harshly in the same manner and it’s how dare you speak with that tone. I can see what you speak of as double standards. Where either is…you are not allowed to do this, but I’m excused. Makes me think of the verse regarding treating others the way you would want to be treated.

This is just my opinion but I’ve seen so much male chauvinism exonerated throughout history. I’ve seen older women told to shut their mouths and to go inside to bake a cake or something. When all they were doing was joining a conversation to seek companionship. Point is …we can make excuses all day long but some of the relationships where this went on were not because of alcohol or drugs or cheating but it was a mindset —a message—that ruled the home. But I also don’t see feminism as any different from the male chauvinism, if anything they are twins. I can understand why women would pull away and lean towards feminism. I’ve felt this gnawing in me for the longest time as if I need to prove some worth that an old message says I lack. I kept thinking if I could ever embrace full-blown thriving in the world and earn a huge dollar amount over my head, or running my own way and not needing anyone to help me up …then I would finally become something useful. That makes me sad. I can see the temptation though. Yet to me that has missed the point of what is valuable and to me feminism is as empty as male chauvinism. They should marry and have a baby, which they probably have already…sin unto death. They absolutely despise one another, not seeing they are of the same flesh. Maybe that is why they hate each other so much, in one is a stark reflection of the other. Just my opinion.

 

[Wrangler]

You mean...kind of like what YOU'RE doing on this thread?

Nope. I'm just pointing out the other side of equality.

Besides, I said equal RIGHTS.

Right but then you made exceptions. Not too equal.

 

[Wrangler]

A great short. I've watched many of this woman's wise videos.

 

[Wynona]

If any want to still make the difference between “a wife” and “a virgin” literal and an earthly thing instead of the difference in the two Covenants. With all due respect they will scramble that whole passage up to their own harm. It will be their own undoing. To me that is significant because they will swear they can tell everyone the difference between “a virgin” and “a wife” but what profit is there if it creates more confusion?

There are times when verses can be purely metaphorical. And some meant to be more straightforward. But they can be both.

Rejecting straightforward and earthly applications of the gender verses can lead to mistakes and confusion too.

I really think that the term virgin simply means a woman who has never physically known a man and that's it in some passages. It is better for the man to marry his virgin than to burn with lust. If you ignore the practical meaning, there's no point to the passage.

There is both practical and spiritual wisdom in going ahead with marriage instead of having a three year engagement to pay for a huge wedding. We are commanded to abstain from fornication and flee from temptation as God makes a way of escape. In a lot of cases, moving the commitment date closer is that way of escape but we overcomplicate this with materialism and other things God really doesn't care about.

But a virgin espoused to Christ...that is a metaphor. A symbol to represent our undivided devotion to the Lord. Gendered lamguage can be literal, symbolic, and have both types of application.

 

[Wynona]

It's not that people have 'forgotten' how to live on one income. It's that economic conditions have made it dang near impossible to do so.

Two things can be true at once. It is way harder now due to the economy. But its still possible to live off one income provided one is willing to sacrifice a lot of luxuries.

It's not always a matter of needing two incomes. We were extremely poor when I quit working. But we were happy. That became the priority. There are lean times we have had to go through. God always provided. It's been down to the dollar at times but I haven't missed a meal yet.

With food and clothing, we shall be content, Scripture says. God already promised believers our basic needs would be covered as long as we seek God's Kingdom first.

And He always has provided our needs. Maybe not a fancy vacation, second car, or nail salon money. But we've never went without food.

 

[Wynona]

have a few 'loose' ideas. As I've mentioned before, I don't believe that Patriarchy was WORLDWIDE way back when. Scientific evidence has shown otherwise. I think I brought up that before the first word of the Bible was ever penned (around 2400 B.C.), there was a king of a few city-states in Mesopotamia named Urukagina. Apparently, the custom of polyandry was practiced in his country (as well as other places). He wrote a legal statute that if a woman takes multiple husbands, she would be stoned to death with rocks that had her 'crime' written on them.
Possible that Paul KNEW that polyandry was still practiced in certain parts of the world, and obviously the Bible had not spread to everywhere.

Another possibility might be to discourage women from paying much mind to another man (married or not) so the possibility of the woman committing adultery is lessened.

Like I said, 'loose' ideas.

I agree with all of this. I dont believe patriarchy was universal in the past and I definitely think blanket submission to men would lead to adultery.

 

[Mink57]

I can see your point. It’s the same with respect. There’s a voice that a man can talk to his wife harshly…yet let her speak harshly in the same manner and it’s how dare you speak with that tone. I can see what you speak of as double standards. Where either is…you are not allowed to do this, but I’m excused. Makes me think of the verse regarding treating others the way you would want to be treated.

YES!!! But it's not only ONE verse. The whole idea of Eph 5:22 is dependent on 5:21: That we are to ''submit" to ONE ANOTHER. Wives to husbands, husbands to wives. Yet, because of the way the verse is written, it's somehow understood that WIVES are supposed to do ALL of the "submitting". And going beyond that verse, that slaves are supposed to do ALL of the submitting...and that CHILDREN are supposed to do ALL of the submitting.

Meanwhile, Paul was talking about MUTUALITY, but in different ways.

This is just my opinion but I’ve seen so much male chauvinism exonerated throughout history. I’ve seen older women told to shut their mouths and to go inside to bake a cake or something. When all they were doing was joining a conversation to seek companionship. Point is …we can make excuses all day long but some of the relationships where this went on were not because of alcohol or drugs or cheating but it was a mindset —a message—that ruled the home.

Not just the home. It was an attitude about superiority...that men are 'better' and 'superior' to women in ALL walks of life. Even if a woman came up with an idea that could revolutionize life for everyone, she didn't get credit for that idea. Why? Because it was believed that "men are superior...and that a woman couldn't POSSIBLY come up with THAT kind of idea."

Ugh.

But I also don’t see feminism as any different from the male chauvinism, if anything they are twins. I can understand why women would pull away and lean towards feminism. I’ve felt this gnawing in me for the longest time as if I need to prove some worth that an old message says I lack. I kept thinking if I could ever embrace full-blown thriving in the world and earn a huge dollar amount over my head, or running my own way and not needing anyone to help me up …then I would finally become something useful. That makes me sad. I can see the temptation though. Yet to me that has missed the point of what is valuable and to me feminism is as empty as male chauvinism.

Yes! I agree! And yet, WHO or WHAT promotes these feelings of inadequacy in either sex?

I don't want to be thought of as "lesser than" by anyone. And I don't want to think of someone "lesser than" me, especially because of gender. Can SOME men do things better than SOME women? Of course! But by the same token, SOME women can do SOME things better than SOME men.

They should marry and have a baby, which they probably have already…sin unto death. They absolutely despise one another, not seeing they are of the same flesh. Maybe that is why they hate each other so much, in one is a stark reflection of the other. Just my opinion.

But why SHOULD they marry and have a baby? Jesus DID say that not ALL would marry...

...which tells me that marrage/having kids is a CHOICE and not something that written into EVERYONE"S DNA.

 

[Mink57]

Nope. I'm just pointing out the other side of equality.


Right but then you made exceptions. Not too equal.

No...it's YOU who are trying to make the exceptions into the rule.

 

[Mink57]

Two things can be true at once. It is way harder now due to the economy. But its still possible to live off one income provided one is willing to sacrifice a lot of luxuries.

Possible for WHO?

And besides, a COMPUTER is a luxury. You willing to give that up? You willing to sacrifice that? My guess is 'no'...even though it's not something you 'need'.

It's not always a matter of needing two incomes. We were extremely poor when I quit working. But we were happy. That became the priority. There are lean times we have had to go through. God always provided. It's been down to the dollar at times but I haven't missed a meal yet.

With food and clothing, we shall be content, Scripture says. God already promised believers our basic needs would be covered as long as we seek God's Kingdom first.

And He always has provided our needs. Maybe not a fancy vacation, second car, or nail salon money. But we've never went without food.

There are times when verses can be purely metaphorical. And some meant to be more straightforward. But they can be both.

Rejecting straightforward and earthly applications of the gender verses can lead to mistakes and confusion too.

I really think that the term virgin simply means a woman who has never physically known a man and that's it in some passages. It is better for the man to marry his virgin than to burn with lust. If you ignore the practical meaning, there's no point to the passage.

And yet, in today's day and age means, not having INTERCOURSE. That is, Penis in Vagina. Penis in HAND is o.k Mouth on penis is o.k. Penis is butt is o.k...

Any of that ok with you?

There is both practical and spiritual wisdom in going ahead with marriage instead of having a three year engagement to pay for a huge wedding. We are commanded to abstain from fornication and flee from temptation as God makes a way of escape. In a lot of cases, moving the commitment date closer is that way of escape but we overcomplicate this with materialism and other things God really doesn't care about.

But a virgin espoused to Christ...that is a metaphor. A symbol to represent our undivided devotion to the Lord. Gendered lamguage can be literal, symbolic, and have both types of application.

 

[face2face]

Hi. Thanks for posting.

Can you talk more about the frog like spirits of liberty, equality, and fraternity as opposed to the principles of the gospel?

My thinking is that we worship fairness at all costs in the west but that this is not the Christian faith at all.

The Frog-like spirits are described in Psalm 2:1-3 but are a later day manifestation in the earth.

Why do the nations rebel? Why are the countries devising plots that will fail? 2:2 The kings of the earth form a united front; the rulers collaborate against the Lord and his anointed king Ps 2:1–2.

Liberty, equality & fraternity is Humanism run rampant in the minds of the people and it will eventually stir them up for war! Many wars have been fought on the basis of democracy and these three pillars.

Why "frog-like" spirits?

The frog is noted for its rough, harsh, coarse voice; for its habitat in mud; for its endurance of all the vagaries of weather — cold and heat, rain and frost; for its ability to swell its size and distend its cheeks as if in pride; and because its harsh croaking is an harbinger of spring.
In the symbol before us, all this has application. The rough, harsh, coarse voice of loquacious agitators, filling the air with their croaking; their delight in mud-raking; their persistence; their false pride and self-importance; whilst, as harbinger of spring, the very agitation
that is evidence throughout the earth disturbing, deluding, and seducing the minds of people.

LGBT are but one movement in the world which is based in the pride of men and women.

Pride is the promotion of the self-affirmation, dignity, equality, and increased visibility of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer people as a social group. Pride, as opposed to shame and social stigma, is the predominant outlook that bolsters most LGBT rights movements. Wiki


There are many fleshly croaking's of these dark minded spirits in the world. Such movements as Pride have taken His Covenant symbol and turned it into a symbol of flesh and humanism.

Over the past 200 years these Frog -Like Spirits have given birth to communism, democracy and every human rights movement in existence today.

You will notice in Revelation 16 these frog like spirits come out of the mouth of the beast, dragon and false prophet, all of which will agitate the nations into wars...its already happening!

These frog like spirits will eventually drive humanity to madness and as we are seeing even those who once held the Gospel in their hearts are now croaking loudly the humanistic principles of men.

All of these movements who practice and love lies will be represented when these messages out of their mouths "gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty"

It's called a "great day" for it will witness the vindication of His promises throughout the earth. The prophets speak extensively of this coming Day of Yahweh. Isaiah 2:12; Mai. 4:1; Zech. 14:1 and so on.

F2F

 

[VictoryinJesus]

But why SHOULD they marry and have a baby? Jesus DID say that not ALL would marry...

...which tells me that marrage/having kids is a CHOICE and not something that written into EVERYONE"S

I wasn’t referring to a specific individuals but two mindsets or thought processes. To explain better I searched Google for help and found this: ‘The figure of speech that describes two ideas coming together to create something new, like a baby, is called a metaphor; specifically, in this case, it would be a "conception metaphor" where the "baby" represents the new idea born from the combination of the two original ideas.’

Which makes it irrelevant ‘Jesus DID say that not ALL would marry...

...which tells me that marrage/having kids is a CHOICE and not something that written into EVERYONE"S’ because it was not a person but a mindset or perspective referenced. Maybe that is a poor example because it’s not two perspectives (male chauvinism and feminism) creating something new.

Does it help?