Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[amigo de christo]

I am too longwinded at times.


Feminism is the air we breathe today, not patriarchy. The sexism of today is against men, not women. Scripture has the answer.

that is right sister . stay dug in that bible .

 

[amigo de christo]

I am too longwinded at times.


Feminism is the air we breathe today, not patriarchy. The sexism of today is against men, not women. Scripture has the answer.

and the odor in the air stinketh sister . anything that contradicts the pattern and words of GOD is an air
a lamb has no desire to sniff .

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm seeing more brothers and sisters from older generations. Decades ago, toxic male behaviour towards women, abuse, chauvinism, and outright sexist disrespect and hate were real issues that our society wanted to address.

But the issues have become very different today. I have rarely seen a married man verbally defend himself in a public conversation with his wife, let alone beat her, in my lifetime

Growing up, most tv dads were sitcom doofus'. Superheroes in movies who tried to protect women were clearly wrong for assuming she couldn't handle herself in a fight.

Ive seen a lot of people joke that for husbands, the right answer is always "Yes Ma'am." Yet a woman submitting herself to her husband is inherently demeaning and cruel.

Worse, my generation and younger can hardly tell what a man or woman is. We defend children being taken from parents who don't want to medically transition their bodies so they can be the other gender.

Many of us dont ever want to marry or have kids because it clearly made the older generations miserable and complain all the time. We want nothing to do with all that misery and so reject family mindsets altogether.

Most of the marriages in both my family and my husbands family are woman dominated.

The times have become very different. The baggage of the woman hating domineering tyrant just doesn't apply today for most of us.

what happens when a people , a nation and or a world
desires to remove GOD from its society . REPROBATION of minds is what happens sister . let us read romans one again .
And what happens to a nation , a people or a world when it turns its back on GOD . It gets turned into hell .
A dark dark delusoin of all out reprobation God hating has been poured out unto a people that desired to have NO
reminder of GOD . it will end in total destruction . but the lambs shall follow THE LORD .
When i was a lad we grew up watching wonder woman , and today one has to wonder if its a woman at all . This world is tanked sister
and worse a lot of christendom has taken its cues on what to do and how to do FROM The world
and this has allowed leaven to ROAM and take over .

 

[Mink57]

I'm seeing more brothers and sisters from older generations. Decades ago, toxic male behaviour towards women, abuse, chauvinism, and outright sexist disrespect and hate were real issues that our society wanted to address.

But the issues have become very different today. I have rarely seen a married man verbally defend himself in a public conversation with his wife, let alone beat her, in my lifetime

And you think that because you haven't seen it in public lately, it means that abuse, chauvinism and outright sexist disrespect and hate are on the decline?

Growing up, most tv dads were sitcom doofus'. Superheroes in movies who tried to protect women were clearly wrong for assuming she couldn't handle herself in a fight.

Ive seen a lot of people joke that for husbands, the right answer is always "Yes Ma'am." Yet a woman submitting herself to her husband is inherently demeaning and cruel.

The problem with the whole idea of the WOMAN doing the submitting is well...the problem!
The original texts do NOT say "Wives submit to your own husbands." It began with Eph 5:21 “...submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ …” and continued to "Wives to your own husbands..." Paul did not include the word "submit" in 5:22. That wives should submit to their husbands, therefore, should be understood in the context of mutual submission.

What Ephesians 5 really teaches about husband-wife submission

In sharp contrast to patriarchal Greco-Roman household tables, which directly address only the father of the family and assign him final authority in the household, Paul addresses all members of the

www.christianpost.com

Worse, my generation and younger can hardly tell what a man or woman is. We defend children being taken from parents who don't want to medically transition their bodies so they can be the other gender.

Many of us dont ever want to marry or have kids because it clearly made the older generations miserable and complain all the time. We want nothing to do with all that misery and so reject family mindsets altogether.

Well, that's a vague reason.

The three biggest reasons for divorce are: Infidelity, domestic violence and substance abuse. With almost HALF of marriages ending in divorce because of one or more of those reasons...knowing there are OTHER reasons (falling out of love, incompatibility, financial disputes, etc.) that would make a marriage unsuccessful, women don't want to take that chance anymore. Plus knowing that if she has kids, most, if not ALL of the housework/childcare will fall on her shoulders, even if she HAS to have a job well,... it just doesn't seem to be a very attractive proposition anymore.

Most of the marriages in both my family and my husbands family are woman dominated.

The times have become very different. The baggage of the woman hating domineering tyrant just doesn't apply today for most of us.

Actually, yeah. It does. These are statistics from last MONTH (September 2024):

• Nearly every 1 in 2 women in the United States will face physical violence from an intimate partner at some point in their lives.
• Almost 1 in 5 women in the United States reported any contact sexual violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.
• Slightly more than 2 in 5 women in the United States reported experiencing any physical violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.
• Almost 40 million women reported being slapped, pushed, or shoved.
• Almost half of all women reported any psychological aggression by an intimate partner in their lifetime.

Domestic Violence Statistics 2024

Domestic violence statistics over the years paint a grim picture, revealing the persistent and escalating nature of the issue:

www.breakthecycle.org

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Why are gender roles a distraction? If they are, what does that mean in how we should live?

Asking in a neutral curious tone, not an accusatory one.

to me gender roles are a distraction I’ve gotten caught up in. I’m still struggling with it. I’m not saying or suggesting you are wrong. I like what you say about how there is a difference in serving your husband and serving your husband with Christ in your mind.

The best way I can explain what it means to me though is: John 7:17-18 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. [18] He that speaks of himself seeks his own glory: but he that seeks his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

What I notice about the rod and the child delivered from death. Is this…it speaks of a father or mother’s discipline, and not who delivers from death which is (God)the Father. I’m not trying to criticize. I’m trying to make sense. I’m trying to help. It’s not about God the Fathers discipline but it’s turned into being about men and women’s discipline which has the power to deliver a child from death, which is another glory I think.

You may say you wanted to get off that topic. I get that. But the gender role discussion has something in common where it’s speaking of self too. You may say no, but If you’d dig deep and take a close look at what it produces. this discussion of gender roles where a woman thinks she is who the proverbs 31 woman is about (I’m not meaning you) where she isn’t speaking of the free Woman, the New Covenant Woman, the Woman mentioned in Romans 7 which bears fruit unto God…she doesn’t speak of New Jerusalem, instead it’s a gender role fight. Out of it comes an idea that she is better than other women, more superior because of how good she is at submission or fulfilling the proverbs 31 woman role towards her husband. I have experienced it myself, thinking all the years I stayed home as a mother, wife, partner, servant…made me better than other women. It did breed in me some notion I was the proverbs 31 woman (or could be) and other women needed to be schooled on how to be the proverbs 31 Woman also. To me the starting point is and has to be who exactly IS the Proverbs 31 Woman? She (the Woman) who is Free from being called an adulterous Woman. It does not speak of self …I don’t think. It speaks of the Father and New Jerusalem above which is free and delivered of her children, Christ being the First born.

Can you see it? Where if we take a verse to mean us then we grow to defend that verse in how good we are at discipline of our children and or keeping our house? we make it about us. we may have the best intentions but I wonder if it makes us look down on others that aren’t doing it or achieving it as we are …then really who are we doing it for?

Am I crazy? To see two covenants in the bible? Two women an adulterous woman and the adulterous Woman called no more the adulterous woman, made Free, set at Liberty, the Woman delivered by the body of Christ. Either under the ministration of sin unto death. Or Free from sin unto death to serve in newness of Spirit; obedience unto righteousness? To me this helps with God’s perspective on “the Woman” which is not gender based because men are of New Jerusalem as well. Is it a shame to call New Jerusalem the Mother? See…all this gender role stuff even makes one feel as if it’s shameful to suggest New Jerusalem from above gives birth from above, and is the Mother. That does get scoffed at, but why? It’s a shame to even suggest New Jerusalem Above is “the Woman” called no adulterous Woman. But it’s good news. It makes no sense to me when most will say they can’t wait for New Jerusalem to come down from above, yet at the same time deny she is the Free Woman from above.

 

[Wynona]

Actually, yeah. It does. These are statistics from last MONTH (September 2024):

• Nearly every 1 in 2 women in the United States will face physical violence from an intimate partner at some point in their lives.
• Almost 1 in 5 women in the United States reported any contact sexual violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.
• Slightly more than 2 in 5 women in the United States reported experiencing any physical violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.
• Almost 40 million women reported being slapped, pushed, or shoved.
• Almost half of all women reported any psychological aggression by an intimate partner in their lifetime

Three assumptions:

1. The "intimate partner" is male. Statistically, lesbian relationships experience the highest levels of domestic violence (will cite soon, my phone is buggy) Can't blame men for that one.

2. Women reporting domestic violence never shoved, slapped, or pushed their intimate partners themselves or were in a mutually violent struggle when they experienced assault.

3. Patriarchy is the direct cause of all the women's reports of domestic violence.

Will have to respond more to all a bit later. Am busy for now.

 

[face2face]

Another DEI with predictable results.

You know wrangler, most people have a message to preach - this captains was her sexual preference while another would be their hobby and personal interests no different to the many bumper stickers out their boasting political preferences etc.

John the Baptised best modelled salvation "He must increase, but I must decrease.”

Anything less than this is sin.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Three assumptions:

1. The "intimate partner" is male. Statistically, lesbian relationships experience the highest levels of domestic violence (will cite soon, my phone is buggy) Can't blame men for that one.

2. Women reporting domestic violence never shoved, slapped, or pushed their intimate partners themselves or were in a mutually violent struggle when they experienced assault.

3. Patriarchy is the direct cause of all the women's reports of domestic violence.

Will have to respond more to all a bit later. Am busy for now.

My daughter is studying this in year 12 high school and all 3 points are correct. I also sense drugs and alcohol are influences and regarding point 3. the masculinity of men has been under threat for decades. Many feminists now are suggesting the movement is causing more harm than good.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/masculinity-and-womens-equality-study-finds-emerging-gender-divide-young-peoples-attitudes

God's view of the role of men and women is an interesting study, one which would totally disrupt the world view of many in this thread I sense. When the Lord returns I believe he will overthrow the frog like spirits (liberty, equality and fraternity) and replace it with the divine model (and culture) established on the principles of God's Gospel, which the Apostles taught.

F2F

 

[Wynona]

I am grateful for the engagement of everyone so far on this thread. No one has to read my stuff or comment. Thank you, everyone. I want to respond to you all. Baby girl kept me on my toes yesterday. But I'm finding myself awake at wee hours and want to share a bit more about me in regards to this topic.

It was the emotional distance of my father that set me up to eventually reject feminism altogether. You'd think it would do the opposite. It could have.

My parents are highly educated white collar office workers, now somewhat retired. They had me in their thirties and are in their sixties now. My mother, though busy in full time work, cherished her relationships with my brother and I. I never doubted her love for me and personal investment even with her investment in work. I believe she suffered unnecessary hardship to try and balance marriage, family, and career but she is still an excellent person, better than most.

My father valued work a lot too. I'm grateful that I got to eat, but I wanted to talk to the guy more. He was emotionally distant and reserved with everyone who wasn't my mother and I often wondered if I was simply in the way. He would often leave all the sharing and instruction to my Mom. But I really wanted to know his view on things. He got a bit better about expression as I became an adult. I remember copycatting his love for NFL football and fishing as a girl just to get a chance to relate to him without him seeming put off or exasperated.

My father actually favors me quite a bit but I had no way of knowing it. My worldview was largely shaped by my mother's Christianity, belief in hard work and responsibility, and a sort of soft feminism. I was named after the writer Maya Angelou because she wanted me to be a wise and insightful sort of woman.

The laptop I got at around 12 or 13 gave me a portal to explore different ideas. I found several radical websites like the white nationalists, MGTOW, and a feminist blog with content so hateful against men that I have never read anything more hateful since. Maybe radical feminism wasn't for me. I was curious about different religions. I had a Bible so I began reading that since Christianity was familiar to me. I read passages about husbands and fathers, specifically Ephesians 5. Husbands were to sacrificially love their wives. Father's were to instruct their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord.

Instruction? My Dad barely talked to me. That didn't mean I didn't want his instruction directly, I realized. It left a void in me. And weren't other black kids suffering from Daddy issues enough? Not having Dads really hurt us. Christianity was definitely right about this topic at least. I decided in my heart that I didn't want any children I had in the future to experience this question of whether they were important to their father because of his lack of conversation and emotional investment. I would just have to pick a man with a lot to say and masculine enough to both provide, sacrifice for, and personally invest in me and the kids. I didn't want a marriage where I had control or even an equal say. I wanted my husband to be a leader and take charge in how our family was run with very strong views and demonstrate tenderness towards us with me supporting.

Earlier, I had seen a movie about a woman who opted to freeze her eggs for artificial insemination and insisted she could raise a baby on her own. How cruel, I thought. To raise a baby without a father by choice and create the void in that child's heart by her own will!

I began to shift away from feminism and explore traditional ideas from that point on. I knew Ephesians 5 was the way, and not this hatred of men and insistence that father's were replaceable or even unnecessary. I knew that was wrong because I grew up with a Dad and I always wanted more of him, not less.

At 19, I volunteered at the local library over the summer after withdrawing from my first attempt at college due to mental health issues. My now husband walked in and struck up a conversation with me. He was first man who ever tried a "cold approach". So he got my number and we began talking daily and going on dates. He had an opinion on everything. I disagreed with a lot of them. I was the more conservative one and Christian. I thought he was Christian too but that would come a bit later. We debated politics, race, religion, and culture. I often won. His agnosticism began to unravel, finally speaking with someone who didn't mind piercing questions about it all.

I wanted to friend zone the guy but I liked him too much. He was so invested and so opinionated. So unlike my Dad in that way. Soon, he escaped the friend zone. 14 months after meeting, we married against my parents wishes. I hadn't finished my degree and they wanted us to wait till I was 25. They didn't like my husband at the time. He was too poor and too white.

But I did and I told him that I wanted him to be the leader in our relationship early on. I said I wanted to wait till marriage to have sex, marry relatively young, and him be the head of the family. This was supposed to scare off off some of his obsession toward me. After all men his age only cared about the sex right? This did not work, though.... obviously. He seemed to just go from liberal modern minded Democrat to preparing to marry at 19 in an instant.

The soft feminism of my mother still had a big influence on my life. Clearly my path had to include a college degree or my parents and family would be bitterly disappointed. Clearly I had to have financial security outside of my husband to be a respectable adult woman. Clearly adulthood had a certain checklist that you just had to get through, despite my heart wanting marriage and God more than any of the items on the list.

Marriage and God should take a back seat to job security, not being poor, and maximizing my potential with a respectable career so I wouldn't have to depend on a man. I didn't think there was any other way. Homemakers were the oddballs because they didn't have careers. Yet I still read their blogs all the time. They had such wonderful lives but i didn't see myself as having that as a real option. Even though I never really wanted college, I felt I had to get through the checklist and avoid going against the one thing both my mother and father invested enough to care about.

 

[Wynona]

And you think that because you haven't seen it in public lately, it means that abuse, chauvinism and outright sexist disrespect and hate are on the decline?

No. I'd say sexism, disrespect, and hate are rising. Just toward men, not women here in the U.S and other western countries.

The original texts do NOT say "Wives submit to your own husbands." It began with Eph 5:21 “...submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ …” and continued to "Wives to your own husbands..." Paul did not include the word "submit" in 5:22. That wives should submit to their husbands, therefore, should be understood in the context of mutual submission.

Not sure I believe you on the original texts not saying wives submit. Paul says it again in 1 Corinthians. Mutual submission can definitely be a thing in a relationship with biblical authority structure. Mutual submission and headship are not mutually exclusive.

Plus knowing that if she has kids, most, if not ALL of the housework/childcare will fall on her shoulders, even if she HAS to have a job well,... it just doesn't seem to be a very attractive proposition anymore.

Why do women have to do housework, childcare, and work outside the home? This is definitely not patriarchy's fault. It's the second wave of feminism that pushed that all mighty career as more fulfilling than "just" being a wife and mother. Betty Friedan wrote The Feminine Mystique and it took off in popularity as a feminist classic. But that was the entire point of the book. Housework is dull, slavery, drudgery. Men got to have the real cake and icing because they got to work outside the home.

The problem is, once you set up women to fall for that scam, they get stuck. Those student loans have to be paid. They got used to living on two incomes. They already invested a lot of time and stress into the education and don't want it go to waste or be perceived as waste.

Actually, yeah. It does. These are statistics from last MONTH (September 2024):

• Nearly every 1 in 2 women in the United States will face physical violence from an intimate partner at some point in their lives.
• Almost 1 in 5 women in the United States reported any contact sexual violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.

I want to take an even closer look at this study and the website you got it from in a future post. The 1 in 5 statistic in particular.

 

[Wynona]

God's view of the role of men and women is an interesting study, one which would totally disrupt the world view of many in this thread I sense. When the Lord returns I believe he will overthrow the frog like spirits (liberty, equality and fraternity) and replace it with the divine model (and culture) established on the principles of God's Gospel, which the Apostles taught.

Hi. Thanks for posting.

Can you talk more about the frog like spirits of liberty, equality, and fraternity as opposed to the principles of the gospel?

My thinking is that we worship fairness at all costs in the west but that this is not the Christian faith at all.

 

[quietthinker]

I am grateful for the engagement of everyone so far on this thread. No one has to read my stuff or comment. Thank you, everyone. I want to respond to you all. Baby girl kept me on my toes yesterday. But I'm finding myself awake at wee hours and want to share a bit more about me in regards to this topic.

It was the emotional distance of my father that set me up to eventually reject feminism altogether. You'd think it would do the opposite. It could have.

My parents are highly educated white collar office workers, now somewhat retired. They had me in their thirties and are in their sixties now. My mother, though busy in full time work, cherished her relationships with my brother and I. I never doubted her love for me and personal investment even with her investment in work. I believe she suffered unnecessary hardship to try and balance marriage, family, and career but she is still an excellent person, better than most.

My father valued work a lot too. I'm grateful that I got to eat, but I wanted to talk to the guy more. He was emotionally distant and reserved with everyone who wasn't my mother and I often wondered if I was simply in the way. He would often leave all the sharing and instruction to my Mom. But I really wanted to know his view on things. He got a bit better about expression as I became an adult. I remember copycatting his love for NFL football and fishing as a girl just to get a chance to relate to him without him seeming put off or exasperated.

My father actually favors me quite a bit but I had no way of knowing it. My worldview was largely shaped by my mother's Christianity, belief in hard work and responsibility, and a sort of soft feminism. I was named after the writer Maya Angelou because she wanted me to be a wise and insightful sort of woman.

The laptop I got at around 12 or 13 gave me a portal to explore different ideas. I found several radical websites like the white nationalists, MGTOW, and a feminist blog with content so hateful against men that I have never read anything more hateful since. Maybe radical feminism wasn't for me. I was curious about different religions. I had a Bible so I began reading that since Christianity was familiar to me. I read passages about husbands and fathers, specifically Ephesians 5. Husbands were to sacrificially love their wives. Father's were to instruct their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord.

Instruction? My Dad barely talked to me. That didn't mean I didn't want his instruction directly, I realized. It left a void in me. And weren't other black kids suffering from Daddy issues enough? Not having Dads really hurt us. Christianity was definitely right about this topic at least. I decided in my heart that I didn't want any children I had in the future to experience this question of whether they were important to their father because of his lack of conversation and emotional investment. I would just have to pick a man with a lot to say and masculine enough to both provide, sacrifice for, and personally invest in me and the kids. I didn't want a marriage where I had control or even an equal say. I wanted my husband to be a leader and take charge in how our family was run with very strong views and demonstrate tenderness towards us with me supporting.

Earlier, I had seen a movie about a woman who opted to freeze her eggs for artificial insemination and insisted she could raise a baby on her own. How cruel, I thought. To raise a baby without a father by choice and create the void in that child's heart by her own will!

I began to shift away from feminism and explore traditional ideas from that point on. I knew Ephesians 5 was the way, and not this hatred of men and insistence that father's were replaceable or even unnecessary. I knew that was wrong because I grew up with a Dad and I always wanted more of him, not less.

At 19, I volunteered at the local library over the summer after withdrawing from my first attempt at college due to mental health issues. My now husband walked in and struck up a conversation with me. He was first man who ever tried a "cold approach". So he got my number and we began talking daily and going on dates. He had an opinion on everything. I disagreed with a lot of them. I was the more conservative one and Christian. I thought he was Christian too but that would come a bit later. We debated politics, race, religion, and culture. I often won. His agnosticism began to unravel, finally speaking with someone who didn't mind piercing questions about it all.

I wanted to friend zone the guy but I liked him too much. He was so invested and so opinionated. So unlike my Dad in that way. Soon, he escaped the friend zone. 14 months after meeting, we married against my parents wishes. I hadn't finished my degree and they wanted us to wait till I was 25. They didn't like my husband at the time. He was too poor and too white.

But I did and I told him that I wanted him to be the leader in our relationship early on. I said I wanted to wait till marriage to have sex, marry relatively young, and him be the head of the family. This was supposed to scare off off some of his obsession toward me. After all men his age only cared about the sex right? This did not work, though.... obviously. He seemed to just go from liberal modern minded Democrat to preparing to marry at 19 in an instant.

The soft feminism of my mother still had a big influence on my life. Clearly my path had to include a college degree or my parents and family would be bitterly disappointed. Clearly I had to have financial security outside of my husband to be a respectable adult woman. Clearly adulthood had a certain checklist that you just had to get through, despite my heart wanting marriage and God more than any of the items on the list.

Marriage and God should take a back seat to job security, not being poor, and maximizing my potential with a respectable career so I wouldn't have to depend on a man. I didn't think there was any other way. Homemakers were the oddballs because they didn't have careers. Yet I still read their blogs all the time. They had such wonderful lives but i didn't see myself as having that as a real option. Even though I never really wanted college, I felt I had to get through the checklist and avoid going against the one thing both my mother and father invested enough to care about.

Thanks for your story Winnie

 

[Wynona]

But the gender role discussion has something in common where it’s speaking of self too. You may say no, but If you’d dig deep and take a close look at what it produces. this discussion of gender roles where a woman thinks she is who the proverbs 31 woman is about (I’m not meaning you) where she isn’t speaking of the free Woman, the New Covenant Woman, the Woman mentioned in Romans 7 which bears fruit unto God…she doesn’t speak of New Jerusalem, instead it’s a gender role fight. Out of it comes an idea that she is better than other women, more superior because of how good she is at submission or fulfilling the proverbs 31 woman role towards her husband. I have experienced it myself, thinking all the years I stayed home as a mother, wife, partner, servant…made me better than other women. It did breed in me some notion I was the proverbs 31 woman (or could be) and other women needed to be schooled on how to be the proverbs 31 Woman also. To me the starting point is and has to be who exactly IS the Proverbs 31 Woman? She (the Woman) who is Free from being called an adulterous Woman. It does not speak of self …I don’t think. It speaks of the Father and New Jerusalem above which is free and delivered of her children, Christ being the First born.

Can you see it? Where if we take a verse to mean us then we grow to defend that verse in how good we are at discipline of our children and or keeping our house? we make it about us. we may have the best intentions but I wonder if it makes us look down on others that aren’t doing it or achieving it as we are …then really who are we doing it for?

I would say we disagree when it comes to self and self-interest being unspiritual and wrong.

It's true that we are to deny ourselves in order to submit to the will of Jesus (Matthew 16:24)

However, this is temporary so that God can put us back into an exalted position in eternity. Consider this verse:

Mark 10:29-30 KJV​

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29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,​

30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

I don't see avoiding self and self-interest as the end goal of our faith. It is just a means to that end. In the end, it is the self that we willingly lay down for Christ that will be resurrected and rewarded and judged according to our works. Revelation 20:12.

If all self-interest was wrong, why would Jesus speak of rewards in heaven? Our selves are meant to be redeemed, not just repressed. We are to judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3) and to reign alongside but under Christ (Revelation 1:6).

To humble yourself is a virtue. But God intends to exalt the humble, not just leave them broken and contrite continuously.

My husband and I see false humility as a huge problem amongst Christians today. The Disciples were bold and said very assured and confident statements often. Today we seem all about self-deprecation to the point of saying the opposite of their teaching.

Example of false Christian humility: I can never be anything but a wicked, wretched sinner in God's eyes.

Scripture's take:

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Real humility is not self deprecation. It is honestly assessing yourself and being able to focus on other things the majority of the time. The humble pretty woman doesn't look in the mirror and pretend she is not prettier than other women. She simple uses the mirror to get ready, moves on, and continues serving the Lord.

I think some people are objectively more intelligent and virtuous than others. God created them all and we must respect that all are made in His image. But this idea that no one is better at anything at any point than anyone else doesn't seem biblical to me, but modern like what they taught me in public school that we are all the same regardless of effort and merit.

The Proverbs 31 woman was superior. Scripture said she was rare and valuable like a ruby. Because she feared the Lord is the most important part. Fear of the Lord does make you better. Humility leads to honor and God Himself putting you in that honored place. You don't have to grasp at it for yourself. That's sinful. Just trust God and exalt Him above all else. He will reward that in a way that is very obvious to all people. No need to shy away from that. I think you are likely a morally superior person to a lot of women because you love and reverence the Lord. Sure, self-righteousness and pride are bad. But I reject the idea that we are all equally bad or sinful no matter what. Jesus sets us apart as children of the light. Not because of anything we did but by His plan. And we can have confidence that we are saints in identity, not sinners and can produce good fruit by staying in the Word which forms Christ in us. Christ in us than overcomes sin and gives us spiritual power and authority.

The liberty of the new covenant is that we are dead to the bondage of sin and can now walk as Jesus walked should we continue in Him (1 John 2:6)

Tagging @quietthinker too since he'll likely disagree and add more discussion to my great enjoyment

 

[Wrangler]

I decided in my heart that I didn't want any children I had in the future to experience this question of whether they were important to their father because of his lack of conversation and emotional investment.

There it is! I’ve observed people tend to go one way or another regarding parenting:

1. Exactly as they were raised.
2. The exact opposite of the way they were raised.

One thing I adopted from my father was to tenderly kiss my wife upon entering or exiting the house. You never no what might happen in the cruel, cruel world and I want to leave her with the message that I love her.

Returning home, let her know I am relieved to be in her presence again.

I wanted my husband to be a leader and take charge in how our family was run with very strong views and demonstrate tenderness towards us with me supporting.

Rare. One women confessed being into D/S and opined most women attempting to “top from the bottom.” That is, for example, my ex ‘letting’ me be the bad guy when it was convenient but acting like their defense attorney when it wasn’t.

He was too poor and too white.

Funny and honest.

 

[Wrangler]

And you think that because you haven't seen it in public lately, it means that abuse, chauvinism and outright sexist disrespect and hate are on the decline?

Yes. Science. Objective measure.

This is how you know feminism is a victim-mentality religion rather than a science based world view, it is impervious to facts. Imagine the feminist outrage if after a century of indoctrination evidence remained constant of public abuse, chauvinism and outright sexist disrespect and hate?

By comparison, such sexism is actually on the rise against men. I drive by a billboard that advertises plumbers whose slogan is ‘we repair what your husband fixed.’ Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry at this public abuse, chauvinism and outright sexist disrespect and hate? Nowhere, because feminism is not about equality.

 

[Mink57]

No. I'd say sexism, disrespect, and hate are rising. Just toward men, not women here in the U.S and other western countries.

I'd agree that sexism, disrespect and hate are rising.
I'd DISagree that all this angst is JUST toward MEN.

Wynona, you said in your previous post on this page that when you got your laptop, you found sites like MGTOW and a "feminist blog with content so hateful against men that I have never read anything more hateful since."

Have you ever read anything on any INCEL sites? Talk about HATEFUL...toward WOMEN!

Not sure I believe you on the original texts not saying wives submit. Paul says it again in 1 Corinthians. Mutual submission can definitely be a thing in a relationship with biblical authority structure. Mutual submission and headship are not mutually exclusive.

I gave you ONE link that references different documents. Plus, some bible versions show "wives submit" (in Eph 5:21-22) in parenthesis. That means that the words were NOT in the original documents. If you read some of Paul's other writings, you'll (hopefully) see that his intention is to demonstrate how different relationships 'submit' to one another.

Just a question for ya...did you ever wonder WHY Paul said to wives, "(submit) to YOUR OWN husbands" and not just "(submit) to your husbands (leaving out the word 'own')?

Why do women have to do housework, childcare, and work outside the home? This is definitely not patriarchy's fault.

They don't ALL necessarily "HAVE" to. But some women DO "have" to, because their husbands don't make enough money. Or because their joint financial goals dictate as such.

It's the second wave of feminism that pushed that all mighty career as more fulfilling than "just" being a wife and mother. Betty Friedan wrote The Feminine Mystique and it took off in popularity as a feminist classic. But that was the entire point of the book. Housework is dull, slavery, drudgery. Men got to have the real cake and icing because they got to work outside the home.

For a long time, women were viewed as incapable of using their brains for anything other than housework and childcare. Women were 'inferior' to men in EVERY area. Women's brains were smaller...women's menstrual cycle would be irreparably damaged IF she voted...Women don't need a higher education...all women are good for is to be barefoot and pregnant...

The problem is, once you set up women to fall for that scam, they get stuck. Those student loans have to be paid. They got used to living on two incomes. They already invested a lot of time and stress into the education and don't want it go to waste or be perceived as waste.

Not a scam. Plus, many men have a similar plight. They go to school. Have student loans to be paid. Then they can't find a job in their field, and they end up taking ANY job, just to have SOME money coming in.

I want to take an even closer look at this study and the website you got it from in a future post. The 1 in 5 statistic in particular.

O.k. Plenty of other studies around with similar stats.

 

[Wynona]

Just a question for ya...did you ever wonder WHY Paul said to wives, "(submit) to YOUR OWN husbands" and not just "(submit) to your husbands (leaving out the word 'own')?

I did. Im glad it says that. If I had to submit to other men as to the Lord...there could be some pretty bad conflict of interests!

Only my husband and I are one flesh. I'm not one flesh with some rando or even a pastor.

Why do you think it's added in there?

 

[Wynona]

They don't ALL necessarily "HAVE" to. But some women DO "have" to, because their husbands don't make enough money. Or because their joint financial goals dictate as such.

If there are joint financial goals dictating the wife work outside the home, that's still a choice. I think wives should be open to working outside the home if necessary. But how do we define necessary? We have some of the highest standards of living in the world here in the United States. People have forgotten how to live on one income but that doesn't mean its impossible.

 

[Mink57]

Yes. Science. Objective measure.

No, not science. Or objective measure. More like subjective measure. I've never witnessed a murder, but does that mean that murder doesn't happen all THAT often? Or at ALL?

This is how you know feminism is a victim-mentality religion rather than a science based world view, it is impervious to facts. Imagine the feminist outrage if after a century of indoctrination evidence remained constant of public abuse, chauvinism and outright sexist disrespect and hate?

From my understanding, Feminism is a philosophy or an ideology, not a science, and no....NOT impervious to facts.

By comparison, such sexism is actually on the rise against men. I drive by a billboard that advertises plumbers whose slogan is ‘we repair what your husband fixed.’ Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry at this public abuse, chauvinism and outright sexist disrespect and hate? Nowhere, because feminism is not about equality.

For the LAST time I hope, feminism is about equal RIGHTS.
Chances are that the billboard slogan was the idea of a MAN. If that sign enrages you, why don't YOU appeal to the company itself? Why do feminists have to do YOUR dirty work FOR you?

 

[Wrangler]

For the LAST time I hope, feminism is about equal RIGHTS.

Never have I heard this. The communist lingo is equality. Stick with your evil lingo. Be proud of it.

IF feminism is about EQUAL RIGHTS than your objection is meaningless of public abuse, chauvinism and outright sexist disrespect and hate.