MA2444
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Because as soon as accountability came up you wanted to talk about the mans accountability, so it's a fair bet that you have none or dont want none.
Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism
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Because as soon as accountability came up you wanted to talk about the mans accountability, so it's a fair bet that you have none or dont want none.
Wrangler
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Code for Sexual Harassment? What kind of non-objective, arbritrary standard is this; anything she doesn't like.
I posted this vid before, I believe. At the 5:30 minute mark a feminist claims her beauty is sufficient to get her stuff and she doesn't feel the need to get up at 6 AM to get her own resources. The back lash of the Me-too movement is also touched on.
Like I said, SOME men hide their true selves long enough. Either you or Wrangler even admitted that men will put their best foot forward (yeah, to the point of lying) in the beginning of a relationship (I realize that women often do this as well, but you're talking about *my* situation). For me, it took an average of about 3 months before the chinks in the armor became visible. Once that happened, I didn't stick around. If it happened on a first date, they wouldn't get a second.
And just to give you a few examples of the lies I heard...
No, I'm not married (He was. And the internet wasn't around back then, so I couldn't check!)
No, I don't use drugs (He did. A LOT)
No, I don't drink a lot (full blown alcoholic)
No, I don't have any STD's (He had HERPES)
No, I never abused a woman (He sent his previous girlfriend to the hospital on multiple occasions)
Do you really think I go looking for these guys?
Wrangler
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We've both noticed she flips the script every single time. Like with a wife having to submit to her husband. For some reason, feminists are comforted with denying she is responsible. Here is the total list of who is responsible:
- The man is responsible.
- Both are responsible.
Here, where responsibility is, feminists are not. Equality is not seen nor cared about. Yes, I tell her. You do cook sometimes but not 50%. It's barely 5%. The mentality is you do 1% but want credit for doing 99% (and complain about it). You say you are doing "all this work" cooking 2 Monday's in a row as if that is all the meals we ate over the last 13 years. How did all those other meals get made? S-I-L-E-N-C-E.
But when there is a benefit, watch out! You go out with your friends more than me. It's not fair. You make more money than me. It's not fair. You can figure stuff out more than me. It's not fair. The sense of entitlement! The sin of coveting. You built civilization. Now, I'm jealous of 'the Patriarchy.' It's not fair.
One time my wife complained that I know how to do plumbing and she does not. This is so funny! I told her it is not my fault; it is to my credit. S-I-L-E-N-C-E. Feminists don't realize no one is stopping them but their own failed worldview of entitlement and victimhood.
Obviously, feminism appeals to women who cannot take responsibility for their life. Alexander Grace has a Youtube channel and he talked about how men cannot understand this but it is true. Women get a sense of being empowered by being a victim. Of course, they cannot admit they are their own victimizer and oppressor by their own bad choices and refusal to take accountability.
It takes the weight of failure and unhappiness off their psychological shoulders by blaming men. They are victimized by men and are owed big time. That is the narrative. Facts, logic and moral principles to the contrary are dismissed as misogynistic.
- Love women
- Hate feminism
Wrangler
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LOL. Round and round you go. That some people lie is their problem. You failing to have enough humility to admit you lack discernment in these areas and need an advisor is your problem!
Earlier in this thread I shared a red flag criteria. You seemed unable to grasp why it even was a red flag. Discernment. Wisdom. The dictionary is the only place where you will find success before work. Do the work responsibility requires and you will be happy.
Or you can continue writing feminist posts with the adage, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault, it's men's fault ...
MA2444
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You must go looking for them or else you wouldnt have 4 hooror storied to tell you would have one mayybe two if the guy was a good liar...But after that...you catch on like any normal person, right? NO! Let's go get two more of the same type!
And you really want to blame them? So what your saying is that a guy only has to be able lir=e to you for two dates and then you'll fall all over his lies? He seemed good for two dates so I gave him my all and said yes go get it?!Those are atrocious accusations that your making against man #3 and man #4 because those were the days when you found what you were looking for and got it all by your own choices.
Unless you want me to believe that any ol guy can come right up and charm the pants right off of you? That's what it sounds like to me.
But He Tricked Me!! And you, a Wise and strong woman who dont take any of mans crap....HA!
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This is very hard to put into words so bear with me.
OI believe conversations about gender tend to put more on men for multiple reasons. One reason is a lack of wanting acountability as you mentioned.
But the other reason is an instinctive understanding that men must bear the weight of responsibility unequally, as in more, or things will not go well.
There is a lot of debate about whether women should have a clear role at all or be expected to do anything. But men who refuse to work or provide for their own are still insulted as bums, deadbeats, or worse. Can a man opt out of work and still be considered...a man? What about if he has kids? I get that there are stay at home Dads. But is this even as respected as a career man or even a SAHM?
MA2444
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Fair enough. So by the end of your 2nd failed relationahip you knew that you were a poor judge of character, right?
All those lies are the typical lies that they all use so #3 shouldnt have been able to get over on you. He did and so did #4 so...if you are a good judge of character then something else is going on. You do like those men for some reason. It's the emotional high that they give you?
Maybe you was meeting good men around the same time, but you said no to them and friend zoned them because they didnt stir you emotionally like the bad boys do. (or did). Because no pretty girls luck is that bad and no pretty girl is so naive that every man who comes along sweeps her off her feet and she starts falling in love with the idea of romance!
I was a bad boy for a season. I only wanted one thing. And a girl who is saying no is agirl who wants to hear nice things and romantic idealistic ideas. Then they go, mmmm, sigh. I didnt go all out for that, it's too easy to be mysterious with girls and then they fill in the blanks wtheir own romantic idealism and build me up to be better than anything I could ever hope to! Be Mysterious!
She still said no! Dangit. I must be losing my touch, lol. I could make the little girl swoon and she hardly even knew the language. She made me wait 6 months before she gave in! It's hard not to respect that. Even then. What was her hangup? What will work? I know she likes making out and being cuddled. What's she waiting on, a ring? I aint here for that, give in! Then we can talk about it.
Thinking about your situation, where the poor wise little girl was so naive that she that she even gave #3 a chance! It makes me want to ask you, how long did you make #3 wait? But I wont ask you that, it's none of my business. But I'll cover any bet you want to make it wasnt no 6 months! Was it even 6 days?
So that was clearly your mistake from the get go. What did you expect #3 man to do? Say no? Lol! If he said that you would have friend zoned him. I know how young girls are and that was my generation!
Just admit it, you were young and needed the money, lol. Ok, you were young and stupid! That's better.
I didn't think of it that way. I KNEW there were a bunch of toads out there. To me, I just picked myself up, dusted myself off, and tried, tried again.
Yes! The 'something else' was that there are a LOT of "bad boys" out there! They don't always act 'bad', especially on the first few dates.
How does a woman know right away if a good man or a bad guy is asking her out?
Who said anything about falling in love with these guys? You really think I'm going to fall in love with someone after only a few dates or even in a few months??? Sheesh!
Not me, either. I didn't put out that easily.
Awww, poor YOU!
Not six days. Not 6 months, either. Let's just say, he never stood a chance.
Is being friend zoned THAT bad? I wouldn't know since I've never asked a man out.
LOL! Yes, I was young, inexperienced and DEFINITELY naive. No, I didn't need the money, LOL!!!
Not so much anymore.
You make it sound like ALL of these guys charmed the pants off of me BEFORE I found out the truth about them! Soooo, not true. One guy (not on the list) wanted me to be his girlfriend...on the second date. So, I spend 4 hours on the first date, and by the second date, he wants me to be his g/f??? I don't even KNOW the guy, and he BARELY knew me! WHY did he want me to be his g/f? As he explained it, he knew I wouldn't sleep with him UNLESS we were a couple. Yeah, that was a second...and LAST date with that guy.
Wrangler
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I don't think so Mink. You come across angry about your past in many posts, meaning these experiences are still affecting you in a negative way. That's concerns me as your Christian brother, putting aside us being on opposite sides of the evil ideology of feminism. You don't seem to forgive or forget.
One point vids in the manosphere make time and time again is how so many female, self-proclaimed dating experts give horrible advice and remain single into their 30's. A wise woman would seek advice from a women in LTR's. Yesterday, there was a couple on the radio who were celebrating their 52 anniversary. When asked what advice they'd give, they basically said be humble, admit when you are wrong, forgive and be agreeable when you can.
Many vids show feminists are so brainwashed, they think men find attractive her being an argumentative, b*tch all the time; they've been convinced that being agreeable makes the woman a sucker. No! It makes them successful in relationships.
Compare this to me. I prolly shared too much about my marriage in this thread but doubt you can recall too many posts about me lamenting any relationship with women I ever had. Before I continue, I'll let you respond.
MA2444
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Well they had to charm something off of you or else you wouldnt have such a long list af failures. I know how old you were back then and those girls dot think the same way that you are talking today!
Nobody is judging you. We all have a past. I made lots of mistakes and I was young too. So we live and learn. Most of those girls that were there when I came along all said yes the first night. One made me wait until the third date! The other was 6 months and I married her. I was about to give up and look for easier prospects and I think she must have sensed it, lol. But 6 months was an eternity at that age!
So which girl were you to your choices? The third date girl? That's retorical of course but apparently...mistakes were made!
MA2444
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Have you ever seen that clip that they show of the chinese guy and he says, E-Motioal Dam-Ageeee....! ? He's so funny, And like Homer says, it's funny because it's true....
That is the crux of the older feminist types who have hit the wall. They have been done wrong and damaged emotionally by those men and that is a real thing for them to live with. So that seed in their heart towards men that is a bitter seed that was planted in their heart...and it grew into a root of bitterness which damages their spiritual outlook on life. If they do not forgive those men, then the root of bitterness will grow into a tree of bitterness and no one wins.
It can be hard to forgive some things on this earth. But if we dont realize that the damage done to ourselves is worse than the damage done by hating someone and it might not even affect them at all! We were told to guard our hearts diligently from iniquity and only by forgiveness in ones heart can the damage be undone.
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One of the worse things about feminism is that I have never seen it make a woman happy.
It's a framework to vent grievances against men and society in general.
But the women I have observed who are most fulfilled tend to have a strong network of positive relationships. Positive relationships thrive on gratitude, appreciation, and giving back.
By focusing on what you don't have, whether it be rights withheld or some form of equity, you it takes away focus from what you do have in your favor.
It's kind of like how Black Americans were more successful and had more stable marriages before the culture shifted toward victimized oppression after the Civil Rights movement.
Maybe an obsession with fairness is not all it's cracked up to be. Maybe the dollar in your hand that you earned should have more value to you hand then the twenty in someone else's.
The Bible assumes unfairness is a reality that most people will be born into whether they like it or not. Certainly, the rich and powerful have a biblical obligation to work towards justice. But a slave? A regular joe? A poor person? Someone with less rights? They are to focus on honoring God in their situation more than changing the system they are in. That is something they can actually control.
Even if the wage gap wasn't a myth using the different work behaviours of men and women to project systemic inequality--- I can't do jack about it except whine and possibly vote for some awful lying politician who can't actually fix it either. Evil will continue to be a thing.
I can love the Lord, though. I can love my husband and children well. I can be a keeper at home. Not march against evil. Sanctify the home front. That is how I fight evil, biblically. By not leaving my post and leaving behind a hurt, angry husband or children.
It's a framework to vent grievances against men and society in general.
But the women I have observed who are most fulfilled tend to have a strong network of positive relationships. Positive relationships thrive on gratitude, appreciation, and giving back.
By focusing on what you don't have, whether it be rights withheld or some form of equity, you it takes away focus from what you do have in your favor.
It's kind of like how Black Americans were more successful and had more stable marriages before the culture shifted toward victimized oppression after the Civil Rights movement.
Maybe an obsession with fairness is not all it's cracked up to be. Maybe the dollar in your hand that you earned should have more value to you hand then the twenty in someone else's.
The Bible assumes unfairness is a reality that most people will be born into whether they like it or not. Certainly, the rich and powerful have a biblical obligation to work towards justice. But a slave? A regular joe? A poor person? Someone with less rights? They are to focus on honoring God in their situation more than changing the system they are in. That is something they can actually control.
Even if the wage gap wasn't a myth using the different work behaviours of men and women to project systemic inequality--- I can't do jack about it except whine and possibly vote for some awful lying politician who can't actually fix it either. Evil will continue to be a thing.
I can love the Lord, though. I can love my husband and children well. I can be a keeper at home. Not march against evil. Sanctify the home front. That is how I fight evil, biblically. By not leaving my post and leaving behind a hurt, angry husband or children.
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Only loving people fall in love. My wife told me she loved me on our 2nd date.
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No. I never saw that.
Here is where we disagree. There is a channel on Youtube called Better Bachelor. He summarized his dating experience this way. Women are all the same; driven by the tingles. They put sex with Chad ahead of the relationship. While he told them up front that he was not looking to get serious and they were OK with that, after a few bedroom fun sleepovers (that's what these crazy kids are calling it these days), they initiate "the talk."
Where is this relationship going, they ask. He says, what do you mean and reminded them that he was not looking to get serious and they were OK with that. In their heart of hearts, there is something about many woman who want to redeem "the bad boy." This cycle repeats over and over again. He even played a clip of a 50+ year old divorcee who made a tik tok claiming how fun dating is. Clearly trying to convince herself of something she knew was not true.
Inevitably, these feminists cannot take responsibility for their choices. It's not Chad's fault that he is a Chad. It's not the bad boy's fault that he is a bad boy. These feminists are driven by the tingles, the emotion and absurd standards while rejecting hoardes of good men.
One vid had a women in her 30's literally crying. What was she crying about? There was no men to date that she wanted to date. That's the key, "that she wanted to date." There were all kinds of good men for her to date. They just didn't give her the tingles. And these feminists refuse to adjust their standards to meet reality. Then, they hit the wall and become bitter cat ladies. They wronged themselves. If they were wise, they would have secured a good man while they were in their 20's, in their prime sexual market value. They chose not to. Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.
Among the many evils of feminism is that it emotionally damages women.
Wrangler
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Feminism goes against this instinct.
When we first got together, I told my wife many times that I want her to do the easier tasks. Some hear an insult into ‘woman’s work’ but that’s what it means; the easier tasks. It does not mean the less important tasks.
Just last night this came up again. There are 2 plumbing problems and an electrical problem that need to be dealt with this weekend. I told my wife that it would help me, take a load off me, if she could do the grocery shopping while I do this home repair.
We could survive without the modern convenience of plumbing and electric in a room or two. We cannot survive without food.
Wisely, she did not fight me on this: "I am a woman. Hear me roar! Anything you can do, I can do better."
We’re a team. And we decided to employ the lessons from the industrial revolution, division of labor, to make our home and lives better.
We both know I will not complete these 3 projects before the next meal comes. But we will rest easy knowing we have fresh food to eat, thanks to her labor.
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No. Like it or not, a man is judged by what he does; a woman by her looks. I mentioned before masculine and feminine standards.
There are many vids of women lamenting not being able to find a good man, despite how accomplished they are. Good job, own home, nice car, money. They rationalize men are insecure around such a woman. BS! This was NEVER what attracted men to women; it was and is fertility.
A man who does not pull his own weight is universally condemned in all human societies. Even SAHD’s are looked on with suspicion that he might be ‘taking advantage’ of his wife. When the script is flipped, women face none of this social condemnation if not ridicule.
A proper view of the world is a 2x2 matrix. Feminists lament ‘male privilege’ while ignoring male responsibility. As Dr. Laura pointed out about the beginning of the woman’s movement, women covered THE OPTION to work out if the home but denied it was not a man’s option but A MAN’S OBLIGATION.
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