Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

So, in your view, exactly WHAT are the differences?

OMG! That certainly deserves its own thread. Stop confusing people with ideas, women with feminism.

Women are a beautiful creation and God’s gift to man, made from man in God’s image. Feminism is an evil ideology, worse than communism and fascism combined.

This thread is about triumphing over this evil ideology. You can’t do that defending it every step of the way.

 

[MA2444]

OMG! That certainly deserves its own thread. Stop confusing people with ideas, women with feminism.

Women are a beautiful creation and God’s gift to man, made from man in God’s image. Feminism is an evil ideology, worse than communism and fascism combined.

This thread is about triumphing over this evil ideology. You can’t do that defending it every step of the way.

I think it was liberalism that gave rise to feminism. Once we're all in Heaven I tink we're going to find out exactly how big of a pile of poop that Liberalism really is!

 

[Wrangler]

We should cooperate with each other. But then again, your idea of 'cooperation' may be quite different from mine.

Right. I have a Biblical idea of cooperate, where women were made for the express purpose of helping man bring glory to God.

Your idea of cooperate is chaotic and anti-Scriptural, committed to hold onto the Original Sin of becoming your own god, aiming to bring glory to yourself, refusing even to answer the simple question of who decides, in feminism, when there is disagreement.

 

[Mink57]

OMG! That certainly deserves its own thread. Stop confusing people with ideas, women with feminism.

I asked a simply question, and you can't even give me a few "for examples".

Women are a beautiful creation and God’s gift to man, made from man in God’s image. Feminism is an evil ideology, worse than communism and fascism combined.

That's your opinion.

This thread is about triumphing over this evil ideology. You can’t do that defending it every step of the way.

You want to triumph over feminism. I say it won't happen.
And that's MY opinion.

 

[Wrangler]

I think it was liberalism that gave rise to feminism. Once we're all in Heaven I tink we're going to find out exactly how big of a pile of poop that Liberalism really is!

There has been a sad co-opting of terms. The Founding Fathers were Classic Liberals, meaning individual rights in a pluralistic society. The term ‘liberal’ bears no resemblance to todays Global Leftists who seek world domination through government power.

Don’t own anything and be happy. Don’t drive cars. Don’t eat beef. Eat bugs. Take child rearing from parents to the State. These are just some of their stated goals.

Kamala Harris’ mantra, “Be unburdened by what was” is one of the last lines from the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx. It aims to erase from memory the fact that man was born free and realized most fully at the Founding of the American experiment. It should send chills down the spine of all freedom loving people.

We can achieve utopia if only government had more power. The weather will be gooder if taxes are raised. It’s amazing how effective the slogans remain despite the river of blood, as it’s adherents yawn in boredom and people resorting to dumpster diving to avoid starvation whenever tried.

 

[Wrangler]

I asked a simply question, and you can't even give me a few "for examples".

No need to tell you that which you know so well but strive to remain Willfully Ignorant. @Wyonna said early on that women have babies. Men give life. Women give birth. I’m going to be brutally honest in this post.

The hatred feminists have regarding the fact that men give life is seen in their contemptuous paraphrase. Yet, it is why we call the Creator, Father, and why he calls himself Father; he creates life. That’s what fathers do.

Men are physically and morally superior to women. Women are superior in longevity, expressing emotion, fine motor skills, color detection and many other things. The price men pay for physical superiority is early death.

The price women pay for lacking emotional intelligence and responsibility is poor decision-making due to being emotionally driven. Everyone knows women are less able to control their emotions. (Not more emotional as is commonly believed but less emotionally responsible) Feminists just don’t want to admit it comes with a cost. Obviously, it comes with a cost! This is seen in how women don’t take responsibility. You’ve proven it in this thread MANY times.

This is seen in the consequence of no fault divorce. More than ever before women have the freedom to choose who their mate is. Yet, divorce is much higher than when there was only fault divorce. Pearl on Youtube has many vids delving into women’s poor decision-making because of emotions. Result: Less happier today than before feminist policies were put in place.

This moral inferiority is also seen in the contradictions in feminism, which appealing to women’s covetous nature, are widely embraced by women. Specifically, in claiming equality while also demanding special accommodation. One example is your propensity for attempting to make rules from exceptions. Another is you demanding I tell you what you already know, the differences between men and women.

Ultimately, this female nature, women’s victim mentality, stems from the fact that women are victims of themselves, unable to transcend their emotions and do what is morally right in the moment of truth.

These are facts, not opinions. If you want to delve into this more, please start another thread. I won’t respond to further hijacking away from the topic of triumphing over feminism.

That's your opinion.

Again, I presented Biblical facts. You want to pretend it is a matter of opinion. If it were a matter of opinion you’d be able to answer the question of who decides when there is conflict. LOL.

 

[Mink57]

Right. I have a Biblical idea of cooperate, where women were made for the express purpose of helping man bring glory to God.

Genesis doesn't say anything of the sort. Eve was created for Adam as his helper, as his wife. It doesn't mean that ALL women were created for ALL men. That's where your Patriarchal Biblical view becomes skewed.

Your idea of cooperate is chaotic and anti-Scriptural, committed to hold onto the Original Sin of becoming your own god, aiming to bring glory to yourself, refusing even to answer the simple question of who decides, in feminism, when there is disagreement.

I already answered this question, but you refuse to acknowledge the answer, and the answer begins with, IT DEPENDS. Your attitude seems to be that if there's a disagreement--ANY disagreement--the man gets to settle the dispute...regardless of whether or not he has more experience, insight, knowledge and overall wisdom about the issue than the woman. Talking about becoming your own God!!!

 

[Wrangler]

Good vid for @Mink57's consideration of the importance of a woman taking responsibility and all the societal obstacles to her doing that.

 

[Wrangler]

I already answered this question, but you refuse to acknowledge the answer, and the answer begins with, IT DEPENDS. Your attitude seems to be that if there's a disagreement

Nope. "It depends" is perhaps the beginning of an answer of who decides in feminism. We both know this is a BS answer, not found in any feminist literature. You don't even have the courage to state what you believe it depends on.

 

[Wrangler]

My wife reflects this fairly accurately. A small mistake by her is defended to the extreme, wasting time and energy, ruining an otherwise good day.

 

[MA2444]

There has been a sad co-opting of terms. The Founding Fathers were Classic Liberals, meaning individual rights in a pluralistic society. The term ‘liberal’ bears no resemblance to todays Global Leftists who seek world domination through government power.

Don’t own anything and be happy. Don’t drive cars. Don’t eat beef. Eat bugs. Take child rearing from parents to the State. These are just some of their stated goals.

Kamala Harris’ mantra, “Be unburdened by what was” is one of the last lines from the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx. It aims to erase from memory the fact that man was born free and realized most fully at the Founding of the American experiment. It should send chills down the spine of all freedom loving people.

We can achieve utopia if only government had more power. The weather will be gooder if taxes are raised. It’s amazing how effective the slogans remain despite the river of blood, as it’s adherents yawn in boredom and people resorting to dumpster diving to avoid starvation whenever tried.

I saw a video of where someone blew up the Georgia Guidestones! I think it was supposed to be like a documentary but it was actually more like a comedy, lol. I think it must have one of our guys that did that. No no, someone's impetuous son! Dang it boy I told you to stop playing with dynamite! (boom)

 

[Wrangler]

Eve was created for Adam as his helper, as his wife. It doesn't mean that ALL women were created for ALL men.

You really do have a problem with general truths and general rules. This is probably another topic that you should start your own, separate thread. However, I will delve into it in this post.

In my career, I was a design engineer. There is something called POU, Philosphy of Use. For instance, a SAK (Swiss Army Knife) is an extremely well respected tool throughout the world. It's not for chopping down trees. Dangerous "Can." Just because something can (meaning has potential) to be used in a manner inconsistent with its design POU does not dictate the purpose of the design.

Another example. Years ago I bought a mechanical messager for feet, back and neck. It works great. However, we do not use it often for its designed purpose. We have dogs that we only let into the living room when we are there. To keep them out, there is a kiddy door. When we let them in, we prop it up. Guess what we use? The mechanical messager. Just because we can use it as a door stop does not alter that its POU, its design is a mechanical messager.

Women were designed by God to be man's helper. For some silly reason, you don't want to learn the lesson from Original Sin, pretending only that woman was designed for that man, rather than womankind for mankind, generally. A user or abuser of a created design does not dictate the POU of that design. Come on now! You know this.

Freedom is a means, not an end. God made us free to bring glory to him. Women help men do that. Thank God! I love my wife. She helps me in ways I wouldn't even think about. But she does. I tend to make a living for the both of us. She tends to make life worth living. Cooperation.

 

[Mink57]

I think it was liberalism that gave rise to feminism. Once we're all in Heaven I tink we're going to find out exactly how big of a pile of poop that Liberalism really is!

Was it Liberalism or Patriarchy that gave rise to feminism?
Frankly, I don't really care WHO is 'in charge', male OR female, as long as they don't wield their power and/or status like a sword and oppress others while selfishly gaining for themselves.

 

[Mink57]

You really do have a problem with general truths and general rules. This is probably another topic that you should start your own, separate thread. However, I will delve into it in this post.

No, I have a problem with people who make a 'truth' claim based on their own opinion.

In my career, I was a design engineer. There is something called POU, Philosphy of Use. For instance, a SAK (Swiss Army Knife) is an extremely well respected tool throughout the world. It's not for chopping down trees. Dangerous "Can." Just because something can (meaning has potential) to be used in a manner inconsistent with its design POU does not dictate the purpose of the design.

Another example. Years ago I bought a mechanical messager for feet, back and neck. It works great. However, we do not use it often for its designed purpose. We have dogs that we only let into the living room when we are there. To keep them out, there is a kiddy door. When we let them in, we prop it up. Guess what we use? The mechanical messager. Just because we can use it as a door stop does not alter that its POU, its design is a mechanical messager.

Women were designed by God to be man's helper. For some silly reason, you don't want to learn the lesson from Original Sin, pretending only that woman was designed for that man, rather than womankind for mankind, generally. A user or abuser of a created design does not dictate the POU of that design. Come on now! You know this.

Eve was designed by God to be Adam's helper. Women in general were not designed to be ALL man's or ANY man's helper because, per JESUS, many men and women decide NOT to marry.

But being a 'helper' doesn't mean that one is inferior. After all, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to the Apostles after his resurrection as their "helper." Was the Holy Spirit inferior? God the Father and Jesus BOTH help us. Does that make them inferior too?

Freedom is a means, not an end. God made us free to bring glory to him.

Or, to NOT bring Him glory. It's our choice, which is what free will is all about.

Women help men do that. Thank God!

Men help women do that, too. At least, they're supposed to, without beating it into her head.

I love my wife. She helps me in ways I wouldn't even think about. But she does. I tend to make a living for the both of us. She tends to make life worth living. Cooperation.

This is great IF you can do it, and IF it's what BOTH people want.

 

[MA2444]

Was it Liberalism or Patriarchy that gave rise to feminism?
Frankly, I don't really care WHO is 'in charge', male OR female, as long as they don't wield their power and/or status like a sword and oppress others while selfishly gaining for themselves.

Are you stuck on the Patriarchy? Is that in the feminist textbook or something? What do I care which lie satan used to deceive Eve? Patriarchy isnt responsible for the rise of feminism or liberalism. That's the crap the wives club were wispering back and forth on Saturdays for so long.

The man is the head of the wife and home because He is the Protector. He is allowed to be revered and sit atthe head of the table because of this. It's always been like this.

Women and Children are to be protected. No man has to ask why. We just do it. If the wife starts getting uppity and wants to sit at the head of the table because she is so strong and independant woman....(isnt that Kooky?)

Will she be my protector now? Ridiculous! Absolutely out of the question. I wont go down in history as the guy who's Wife died protecting him! How sad would that be. I will fight. SO what? I'll do it. I own one bullet proof vest. Who get the bullet proof vest? No question she gets it. Yes, and I walk out into the gunfire with no vest. That's how it works. And for that I sit at the head of the table. It's a totally viable system. No she doesnt have to fight but she will know how to shoot and be armed (just in case). She also doesnt have to pay bills, ever. The man pays

 

[MA2444]

Eve was designed by God to be Adam's helper. Women in general were not designed to be ALL man's or ANY man's helper because, per JESUS, many men and women decide NOT to marry.

Now be honest that isnt an exact quote, lol! She is made to be mans helper. All mans and one man. Her body belongs to her husband. Show me where Jesus said "Many people decide not to marry, as if it is good? Paul talked about that. It is good for man not to be married. And I would certainly think that this would include some women! Duh! BUt! BUT BUT BUT!!!! He isnt talking about Single Moms! They dont count. How many people are so dedicated to God that they are chaste? No Sister....it is Not "Many"!!

 

[Mink57]

Are you stuck on the Patriarchy? Is that in the feminist textbook or something? What do I care which lie satan used to deceive Eve? Patriarchy isnt responsible for the rise of feminism or liberalism. That's the crap the wives club were wispering back and forth on Saturdays for so long.

Actually, yeah it is. Had Patriarchy been fair to women in general in the first place, there would have been no need for Feminism.

The man is the head of the wife and home because He is the Protector. He is allowed to be revered and sit atthe head of the table because of this. It's always been like this.

Where's your citations to prove this?

The man was not ALWAYS the head of the wife. Not until AFTER Adam and Eve sinned. What sense would it make for God to have said to Eve, "...and your husband shall rule over you", if Adam had ALWAYS ruled over her? Pretty obvious that it wasn't ALWAYS like that.

Women and Children are to be protected. No man has to ask why. We just do it.

This desire is not innate in all men. Many men have no desire to protect anyone but themselves, even if they have a family.

If the wife starts getting uppity and wants to sit at the head of the table because she is so strong and independant woman....(isnt that Kooky?)

Haha! Uppity? What, are you stuck in the 1950's? If I'm sitting at a round table, where exactly is the 'head' of the table?

Will she be my protector now? Ridiculous! Absolutely out of the question. I wont go down in history as the guy who's Wife died protecting him! How sad would that be. I will fight. SO what? I'll do it. I own one bullet proof vest. Who get the bullet proof vest? No question she gets it. Yes, and I walk out into the gunfire with no vest. That's how it works. And for that I sit at the head of the table. It's a totally viable system. No she doesnt have to fight but she will know how to shoot and be armed (just in case).

This is all about your EGO, and nothing else. You've only painted ONE possible scenario, yet there are other scenarios where it's possible that SHE may end up protecting YOU. What would you do in THAT case?

She also doesnt have to pay bills, ever.

Unless of course you leave her, become incapacitated or pass on. Then she'll HAVE to pay bills. So, let's dispense with the "ever" part, ok?

The man pays

Whoever has the money pays. Male, female or BOTH.

What a fascinating contrast between you and Wrangler. Here you are insisting that the man pays. Yet Wrangler protests the idea that the man is expected to pay!

 

[Mink57]

Now be honest that isnt an exact quote, lol! She is made to be mans helper.

She was made to be THE man's helper. And that IS a direct quote in more than ONE version of the Bible.

"The LORD God also said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a suitable helper". God created Eve as a helper for HIM; not THEM. HIM.

All mans and one man. Her body belongs to her husband. Show me where Jesus said "Many people decide not to marry, as if it is good?

Where's YOUR quote that says, "ALL" man's?"

Paul talked about that. It is good for man not to be married. And I would certainly think that this would include some women! Duh! BUt! BUT BUT BUT!!!!

Of course!

He isnt talking about Single Moms! They dont count.

Why not? Even in Jesus' time, men didn't want to be FORCED to take on the responsibility for their brother's children, if his brother died and left behind a wife with kids!

How many people are so dedicated to God that they are chaste? No Sister....it is Not "Many"!!

I never said half or more. I simply said 'many'. With 8 billion people on the planet, even 1% of that is still 'many'.
Plus at least some people may remain chaste for reasons that have nothing to do with God.

As for how many people remain chaste well...probably many.

 

[Wrangler]

Frankly, I don't really care WHO is 'in charge', male OR female, as long as they don't wield their power and/or status like a sword and oppress others while selfishly gaining for themselves.

You mean like feminists wanting reproductive rights for women only?

 

[MA2444]

Haha! Uppity? What, are you stuck in the 1950's? If I'm sitting at a round table, where exactly is the 'head' of the table?

I know, the exception to every rule is here! Ok, your on point then. Lol.

The head of a round table is whereever he sits.

Where's your citations to prove this?

I am a Man and I am the Citation for this because I am a Man.

This is all about your EGO, and nothing else. You've only painted ONE possible scenario, yet there are other scenarios where it's possible that SHE may end up protecting YOU. What would you do in THAT case?

The only reason we ever cross train together is because we were a team. Because she had to learn to shoot a gun does not mean she is now the primary protector. It means she is a more efficient helper because we bothered enough to train.

I was with her 26 years and we had several close calls but she was never primary protector. I saved her sweet butt several times. Wanna hear those stories? lol.