Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Mink57]

There you go again. Showing your hate by laughing at the plight of men and absolving feminists of all responsibility for their evil agenda. Somehow in your mind, you turned the feminist evil agenda of using women's promiscuity as a tool to destroy the family as the fault of men (and their promiscuity). More Competitive Feminism.

I'm not laughing at the 'plight of men', I'm laughing at your belief about the so-called plight of men, while ignoring the plight of women.

You SERIOUSLY believe that WOMEN'S "promiscuity" destroyed the family?
HAHAHAHAHA! As if men's promiscuity had NOTHING TO DO WITH the rise of feminism!!

What happened when the adulterous woman was brought to Jesus' attention? And the men said, "This woman was caught in the very act of adultery." What did Jesus do? Did he condemn her for being 'promiscuous'?

Nope.

He said, "Let HE who is without sin cast the first stone." Whether his words had to do with men committing adultery and/or committing ANY sin is up to debate. But Jesus KNEW that some men would see HER sin as worse than their own, if THEY committed adultery.

Jesus WAS all about fairness. You want a chaste woman, BE a chaste MAN. You want to be leaders? Fine. Lead by example, and not with your words or your EGO. After all, Jesus was a SERVANT leader...not some dictator.

The Bible says to "submit TO ONE ANOTHER", and yet you seem to think that excludes husbands submitting to wives. When Jesus says, "Love thy neighbor" again, you seem to think that your spouse isn't your "neighbor".

Seriously Wrangler, get a grip...

 

[Mink57]

A great vid on the new dating etiquitte, a reaction to and all due credit to feminists crazy expectations that a man has a burden to spend $1,000's on the first date ... It's just coffee, where the woman now has to prove she is worth pursuing. The vid includes a clip of feminists looking at dating as a business proposition; they don't care one little bit about developing a relationship with the guy, only how much money he's willing to spend while she unequally spends zero. Way to go feminism!

Talk about making the exception the rule!

This guy says that 'MOST' women are appalled by the suggestion of a first date as a coffee date. Yet, if you look on any number of forums, you'd see that 'MOST' women have NO PROBLEM with coffee as a first date...and will even suggest it themselves. Plus, it doesn't have to be coffee. The point is to make it comfortable, low-level, casual, SAFE and enjoyable. If someone wanted to take me on an expensive first date, I'd wonder what his motives are, and ask him (yes, I'm THAT direct) if he's trying to impress me, or if he thinks that an expensive date will 'buy' him sex. Yeah. Pass on that.

He makes the claim that "modern women" expect men to spend 100's if not 1000's of dollars on a first date. Again, not true. I'm a 'modern woman', and I certainly wouldn't expect a man to pay that kind of money, especially on a first date, in THIS economic climate!

He says that it's about 'risk assessment' and that most women "aren't worth the risk." Ironically, he doesn't seem to get that women are assessing HIM on that date as well...and may very well believe that HE'S not worth the risk, either.

Funny how he says that men "don't NEED women." Yet, when some women say that they don't "need" men, some men (such as yourself) are all up in arms. We don't believe that men can't do the same things women do. We believe that once you get a woman in your life, that you think you 'shouldn't HAVE to'.

A 'seismic shift' in the dating scene? Yeah. LOTS of women are dropping out of dating. Lots of men are too, but not for the same reasons.

 

[Mink57]

Sad that you compare nature to a culture that always valued women more than men to rationalize what was never true. that women were ever 2nd class citizens.

Oh puh-LEEZ. MOST cultures didn't value women as much more than servants and baby-making machines.

Seriously, READ your history about how women were viewed.

Have you not noticed that not ALL cultures value...DEvalue women in the same way?

 

[Mink57]

Wrong. Respect is to be unconditional. We've covered this already with Biblical references.

B.S. If you RAPE a woman, I'm not going to respect you.

Respect IS earned. Not unconditional. Which means, it's CONDITIONAL.

JESUS says, "Do Unto Others.." That means YOU first. He does NOT say, "Wait until someone respects you first." If you WANT respect, you have to FIRST GIVE respect. You don't get to demand 'respect', especially if you're not willing to GIVE it first.

 

[Wynona]

Two wonderful things this week:

1. Seeing my baby girl begin to get into playing in our new yard. The way she threads the grass through her fingers and looks at the leaves blowing in the wind. The peace in my heart.

2. My husband sharing his heart honestly with me. This is the kind of trust that simply wasn't there at the start of our marriage. Even today, it means so much, knowing that there is a risk to a man showing vulnerability. Yet he trusted me and we talked a long while till we were joking and laughing again.

This is truly what I was made for.

And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:18

 

[Mink57]

Two wonderful things this week:

1. Seeing my baby girl begin to get into playing in our new yard. The way she threads the grass through her fingers and looks at the leaves blowing in the wind. The peace in my heart.

Beautiful...

2. My husband sharing his heart honestly with me. This is the kind of trust that simply wasn't there at the start of our marriage. Even today, it means so much, knowing that there is a risk to a man showing vulnerability. Yet he trusted me and we talked a long while till we were joking and laughing again.

This is truly what I was made for.

And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:18

If ALL men could be like your husband. Unfortunately they're not

 

[Wynona]

Beautiful...

If ALL men could be like your husband. Unfortunately they're not

In a way, I agree but he did not start out this way. If no one had the ability to change, Bibles have no purpose.

My husband was an angry and immature teen who cursed his parents when we married. I separated from him three times. I thought I had made a mistake, attaching myself to him so young.

Marriage is not the end all be all for everyone. Some are certainly set up to fail from day one. But in any situation or state we find ourselves in, we can always trust the Lord. As long as we remain teachable, amazing things are possible.

 

[Mink57]

In a way, I agree but he did not start out this way. If no one had the ability to change, Bibles have no purpose.

I agree, but...why do YOU have to change? Seems that the bible was written MOSTLY so MEN would change.

My husband was an angry and immature teen who cursed his parents when we married. I separated from him three times. I thought I had made a mistake, attaching myself to him so young.

You may have been right.

Marriage is not the end all be all for everyone. Some are certainly set up to fail from day one. But in any situation or state we find ourselves in, we can always trust the Lord. As long as we remain teachable, amazing things are possible.

Well...sometimes the Lord says to GET THEE AWAY FROM THIS PERSON!!!

What ever FITS for you Wynona is fine by me. As for ME?

Different story.

 

[Wynona]

You may have been right.

If I had escaped the pain of the early years, I'd have missed the joy and reward of maturity and having a great relationship now.

I agree, but...why do YOU have to change? Seems that the bible was written MOSTLY so MEN would change.

I love this question. Everyone who hears God's Word is responsible for how they respond to it. It may seem unfair for God to call a wife to change first in a lot of cases. But in the end, she cannot control her husband---only herself and her responses to him. That is what she must answer for before God one day---not her husband's actions.

I had to change because I am responsible for me. Even though my husband changing for the better was a in a big way a direct result of me fully investing, I still am required to demonstrate sacrificial love, respect and forgiveness toward my husband whether he chooses to change or not.

Then, God is pleased. And His opinion matters the most.

It is true that men bear the brunt of responsibility for the state of things in general. But we as women can only control our own selves, and that often imperfectly.

 

[Mink57]

If I had escaped the pain of the early years, I'd have missed the joy and reward of maturity and having a great relationship now.


I love this question. Everyone who hears God's Word is responsible for how they respond to it.

I agree.

It may seem unfair for God to call a wife to change first in a lot of cases. But in the end, she cannot control her husband---only herself and her responses to him. That is what she must answer for before God one day---not her husband's actions.

I also agree. But by the same token, a husband cannot control his wife, although many TRY, in not such a Godly way.

I had to change because I am responsible for me. Even though my husband changing for the better was a in a big way a direct result of me fully investing, I still am required to demonstrate sacrificial love, respect and forgiveness toward my husband whether he chooses to change or not.

Depends on HOW he should change. I'm not about to change so much that I lose myself in the process.

Then, God is pleased. And His opinion matters the most.

Of course His opinion matters the most. But God is fair. He wouldn't want someone to have power and use it to take advantage of others. God doesn't like OPPRESSION. And that IS Biblical!

It is true that men bear the brunt of responsibility for the state of things in general. But we as women can only control our own selves, and that often imperfectly.

And, we do. Enter, Feminism.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm not laughing at the 'plight of men', I'm laughing at your belief about the so-called plight of men, while ignoring the plight of women.

Lies. There you go again, pretending triumphing over feminism has anything to do with pretending only the plight of women matter. And you are certainly not showing sympathy toward the plight of men, which shows you still have not triumphed over the evil ideology of feminism.

 

[Wrangler]

You SERIOUSLY believe that WOMEN'S "promiscuity" destroyed the family?

Is the family destroyed? The evidence presented is destroying the family is the stated goal of the feminist group, NOW. (Female promiscuity is but the stated means to that end)

Rather than recognize that evil for what it is, you resort of personal attack AS IF it is a matter of what I believe. You are not coming to terms with the evil ideology of feminism. You believe an ideology worse than communism and fascism is good and defend it accordingly.

 

[Wrangler]

You want a chaste woman, BE a chaste MAN.

You keep denying that men are judged by masculine standards and women are judged by feminine standards.

 

[Rxlx]

We had that here too in the 60's. Feminism is modern, but there are older flavors too.

I tend to think of the 60's as the "second wave". Our first wave in the U.S was in the 1890 to the 1920's. I am familiar with 5 waves existing to date. My teenage sister-in-law says were in the 5th wave, but I have no clue how to define it if we are. She said the transgender rights issue is a 5th wave feminist ideal.

I try to get the waves right because they pushed different things. For example, J.K Rowling is a feminist, but I think of her as 2nd wave. She has gotten backlash for not agreeing with modern feminists on trans issues. A lot of the 2nd wave feminists see things like men competing in women's sports as a step backwards.


The 3rd wave tries to be "intersectional" and advocate for more minority groups and people with poor backgrounds.

I forgot what the 4th and 5th waves are defined by. Sis says its trans affirming ideology but Im not 100% certain.

JK Rowling is a bigot and with her rubbish novels that promote imaginary worlds full of spirits, spells etc is probably Satan's best promoter and has no doubt perverted vast numbers of young brains away from the truth of the Bible.

As for her raging transphobia she cannot understand that just as every day there are numerous physically and mentally WRONG babies born then inevitably some babies will be born with brains that are female in a male body. PLus of course some babies are born with both sets of genitals - so what are they and how should they be brought up?

 

[Wrangler]

The Bible says to "submit TO ONE ANOTHER", and yet you seem to think that excludes husbands submitting to wives.

Nope. The Bible says nothing about husbands specifically submitting to wives. The Bible specifically says wives - not should - but must - submit (unconditionally) to husbands.

Also, you are ignoring the basis of this submission. All are to submit to each other out of love (reverence). Wives are to submit to their husbands because of his authority over her (as to the Lord). As a man hating feminist, you read into Scripture that a woman is given authority over her husband, specifically, authority to judge whether he is "deserving" of respect AND you deem men never are deserving.

Ephesians 5:20-22​

20 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.

Wives and Husbands​

22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

33 the wife must respect her husband.

 

[Wrangler]

Talk about making the exception the rule!

This guy says that 'MOST' women are appalled by the suggestion of a first date as a coffee date.

I'm sure he meant most of those entitled feminists who make tic toc vids complaining about it.

 

[Wrangler]

LOTS of women are dropping out of dating. Lots of men are too, but not for the same reasons.

No. The reason is the same, feminism.

 

[Wrangler]

Respect IS earned. Not unconditional.

This is what the world teaches. The Bible teaches that both love and respect are unconditional. See unconditional verses in Ephesians 5:20-22 and 33.

 

[Rxlx]

You keep denying that men are judged by masculine standards and women are judged by feminine standards.

The New Testament was written by CHRISTIANS.

 

[Wrangler]

The New Testament was written by CHRISTIANS.

True but irrelevant. Ephesians 5 has different expectations for men and women. I believe we are commanded to do what is harder for each sex to do, men to love and women to respect.

I explained to @Mink57 that God is a God of order and he ordained that husbands have authority over their wives. Ge 3:16. This hierarchy prevents chaos in the case of disagreement. So, I asked @Mink57 who makes the decision in the case of disagreement under feminism. She has repeatedly refused to answer the question.

This reveals feminist ideology is anti-Christ, originates with the god of chaos of this world.