Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Mink57]

I'm sorry to hear that @Mink57. I won't say that choosing bad men seems to run in your family. Not to suggest this applies to your case but two general things I noticed:

1. The standards of abuse decline over time. (My ex-wife once told me telling our teen girls "no" is abusive).
2. The emotional abuse women dish out to men prior to getting physical is ignored.

No, it doesn't. Besides, my mom said that my father NEVER TOUCHED HER IN ANGER UNTIL AFTER THEY WERE MARRIED. They dated for two years prior to marriage. Remember what I mentioned earlier about 'milestones'? Once married, my dad felt he OWNED her, and that he could do whatever he wanted to her.

Your ex-wife was wrong about that.

While SOME women are emotionally abusive to men before the man becomes physical, MOST women don't do this.

To hear feminists tell the story, the lady of the house was baking cookies when all a sudden, the monster they choose started beating on them for no reason whatsoever. Feminism has outlawed men's primary advantage over men while language usage (and abusive disrespect) is allowed and even encouraged.

I haven't heard that one before.

Ever notice how it is the men that have the burden to leave before things get physical?

I can understand that leaving would be "burden" (for EITHER sex) IF we're talking about abuse IN MARRIAGE, especially marriage with children. But much of abuse occurs BEFORE marriage, or even if marriage isn't on the table (yet).

That does not work in the real world. You're out in the woods when a lion, tiger or bear come around ... men are far more dangerous than these creatures. Most would say you should not invade a lion or tiger or bears habitat to avoid getting mauled. The point is lost on feminists.

As to the underlined, it's interesting that you would say that.

By contrast, there are vids of feminists not only being physically abusive to the spouse, but feeling morall self-righteous and justifying it + encouraged by the feminist friends to do more frequently and severely. Can a man be a victim of domestic abuse?

Yup, and the MEN who are physically abusive feel the same way. The excuse for abuse knows no gender. I guess there's "equality" in that regard. I'm not a feminist like THAT, as I abhor violence.

Feminism is an idealistic philosophy, striving for an unobtainable utopia (which is one reason why it is evil).

Actually, the model of feminism occurred when several of the leading 1800's Suffragettes observed (and lived with) the Iroquois Indians. They saw that the Iroquois women had much, much more of a say in government, economics, negotiations, war counsels, agriculture and that they took on more of a leadership role in day-to-day living.

The Iroquois are not a Matriarchy, but they are matrilineal. The Suffragettes observed how peaceful of a nation they are, with hardly any violence. Could it be because they were under 'women-rule'?

Raising the standards on men to be impossible to meet in practice (see above), they guess there is absolutely no negative consequences for removing the unneeded, "toxic" man. Decades of reality prove otherwise as you noted.

I'd like to clear something up, if I may. Toxic Masculinity does NOT mean that ALL men are "toxic" or that ALL masculine traits are "toxic".
The toxicity is directed as specific traits.
The following is from the linked Wikipedia page:

"The concept of toxic masculinity is used in academic and media discussions[among whom?] to refer to those aspects of hegemonic masculinity that are socially destructive, such as misogyny, homophobia, and violent domination. These traits are considered "toxic" due in part to their promotion of violence, including sexual assault and domestic violence. Socialization of boys sometimes also normalizes violence, such as in the saying "boys will be boys" about bullying and aggression."

Toxic masculinity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I once engaged a pastor, juxtaposing these two points. If you want the societal benefits of men, they have to return to not merely being present in an emascualted capacity but being the head of the household, you're going to have to accept him doing it to HIS standards, not feminist standards. Said differently, reality won't be perfect but with strong men as head of households, you did not have the stats above.

I'm reminded of the Godfather, where Freddie was slapped around a couple of times so the place could run right. Freddie defended his boss, knowing Michael took the scene as life and death, which it wasn't.

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See what I wrote about the Iroquois above.

 

[Mink57]

That's where having moral values and using them come into play. After my divorce, I led value-based conversations. Every women said she valued education. The litany of excuses for why these middle-aged monsters did not have an education became legend. You guessed it. Their ex had so much power over them that they were victims.

Ding .... Ding .... Ding .... Red flag. Time to move on. And it only took about 1 minute.

Why is that a 'red flag'?

 

[MA2444]

People don't "let their hair down" IMMEDIATELY upon meeting someone. It's not as if people have "a-hole" or "jerk" or "abuser" tattooed on their foreheads. It can take a few days, even up to a few YEARS before the ugliness starts to ooze out of the chinks in the armor.

Being on their best behavior at the first doesnt last long. It's as if they absolutely do have it tatooed on their forehead, to men at least. Or to me at least. What's so had about picking up on the signs? The grammer, how they talk, how they treat people, what sets them off?

Maybe I got ahead of the game when I was young? I walked into kindergarten and went whoa, who are these little girl ceatures? They're prety and they smell good, but why do the act the way they do? That's weird. So I started payig attention and a girl cant hide her body language. Neither can men unless they've had special training, like saleman, lol!

A few years she says! I'm sorry you didnt pay attention and didnt realize what was going on, but three times down with the same kind of men was your fault, irregardless of what you think or say now. You could be honest with yourself, or you could try to blame men and remain clueless your whole life? I messed up. I was young and stupid. da da da.

Bad boys often start out as 'nice guys'. They're charming, charismatic, 'nice', attractive, polite, complimentary...She's not a 'woman'; she's a target. The 'niceness' that the bad boy FIRST exhibits is the hook.

Oh, they do not. They start out as young men feeling their oats and are all full of pi** and vinegar and say ok lets go to most any woman...then, they score and have fun, then they never grow up and mature and realize that, hey women are easy, I'll push her into submission. Then begin using you and abusing you.

That's one of men's secrets. I know all about it but I did grow up and began walking with honor, which included telling the tatooed girls no. (and the ones with tatoos on their forehead!) Lol.

I made a mistake. We all make mistakes I had one bad relationship. And when she began getting preumptuous, it was the end, not the beginning of the end, the End. Hello McDonalds! I didnt marry her! And she chased me for two years. I was Mr. Dodge for quite awhile. She did catch up to me after almost two years. I used to ride the bus one stop past my usual stop to go home. She was standing right there when I came down the steps! That was hard flushing that turd down the toilet. I had to flush twice!

I'll tell you the man secret for another sandwich...

My "fault"? No. My responsibility? Definitely.

No Mamm! I'm 62. We was in the same dating market then. How come I had ONE failed relationship, and you had 3 or 4?
Answer: I learned from my mistake. You didnt. Your. Fault. You did it to yourself.

 

[MA2444]

No, it doesn't. Besides, my mom said that my father NEVER TOUCHED HER IN ANGER UNTIL AFTER THEY WERE MARRIED. They dated for two years prior to marriage. Remember what I mentioned earlier about 'milestones'? Once married, my dad felt he OWNED her, and that he could do whatever he wanted to her.

What we have here is a prime example of women's delusions within their own mind. This is an old secret too (Lol!), but us men know this stuff. In the beginning of the relationship, dont talk that much about youself men. Be sort of myserious with them. They will fill in the holes all by themself in what and who you are, that they build you up in their mind to be some big awesome special person. They dont make you look bad in their mind until it's divorce time, lol. Then the script is flipped and everything you ever did wrong is exagerated and now you the scum of the earth!

Be mysterious!

 

[MA2444]

Actually, the model of feminism occurred when several of the leading 1800's Suffragettes observed (and lived with) the Iroquois Indians. They saw that the Iroquois women had much, much more of a say in government, economics, negotiations, war counsels, agriculture and that they took on more of a leadership role in day-to-day living.

You know, when I first heard the term Feminism, I thought it meant, the art of being feminine. I dunno know if the term was subverted or not but it certainly doesnt mean that now!

Do you believe in the Art of Feminism? (The art of femininity)? That's what men want, feminine girls, humble. Takes care of business. Helps as much as she can, and all like that.

If a woman behaved in a perfectly feminine manner, who would she be? Can you describe her? Tell us the traits that she would have? It would be more conducive to speak on femininity than feminism and how to terorize and abuse men I would think.

Now I understand why you dont want to be the model of femininity, several bad relationships soured it for you. I get it. They all hurt you. But how would it be in a perfect world?

Like an Iroquois Indian? Where everything is nice and equal and the women are fully equal with the men.
Yawn, yeah I'm sorta tired honey so you go hunting for a deer for our supper and I'll watch the kids while your gone...
That's equality. Do the Iroquois women go hunting?

 

[Wrangler]

Why is that a 'red flag'?

It is a red flag on many levels.

1. Don’t need a victim mentality chick in my life.
2. Not actually obtaining the value 15+ years after high school indicates lip service, not an actual value.
3. My 1st wife was a ‘me too’ girl, claiming we had all these values in common. How come we argued about acting on them all the time? Not an actual value. Indicative of toxic femininity to morph into the chick the Chad wants.
4. Integrity. Talking the talk is easy. Walking the walk is where character is revealed.

 

[Wrangler]

I'd like to clear something up, if I may. Toxic Masculinity does NOT mean

What does Wikipedia have to say about Toxic femininity- in the spirit of equality?

If there is equality in ANY way between the sexes it is in the capacity for evil.

 

[MA2444]

to morph into the chick the Chad wants.

Well said!

 

[Wrangler]

While SOME women are emotionally abusive to men before the man becomes physical, MOST women don't do this.

A specious claim given the public shaming men endure admitting they have been abused, causing gross under-reporting.

 

[MA2444]

While SOME women are emotionally abusive to men before the man becomes physical, MOST women don't do this.

Lol. One time I was between girlfriends and my friends set me up on a blind date. I was still half and half sowing my oats and growing up. said ok. We all met at my friends house and the setting was let's all play cards. And while we're sitting there playing cards and drinking a beer I heard my blind date mumble something to herself I think. She said man if I could just get pregnant then I could get on Assisstance and get my chit together...

I had some sort of emergency that nigh. Right after she said that in fact! If I remember right, my mom stubbed her toe, lol. I was out of there! I couldnt believe she said that! Maybe she was drunk and taking out loud? Scared me off quick!

Can you see the abusive girl behind what she said? She showed me the Tatoo on her forehead right then when she said it! A promise of Drama. No thank you.

 

[Wrangler]

That does not work in the real world. You're out in the woods when a lion, tiger or bear come around ... men are far more dangerous than these creatures. Most would say you should not invade a lion or tiger or bears habitat to avoid getting mauled. The point is lost on feminists.

As to the underlined, it's interesting that you would say that.

What’s interesting is how under-stated this fact is. We are made in God’s image. God is a warrior called the LORD of Heaven’s Armies and he gave us dominion over all the Earth.

Men did not acquire dominion over all animals by eloquently talking like Dr Doolittle.

I abhor violence.

Figures. Women cannot compete on that plane. Violence solves problems, despite the indoctrination to the contrary.

The world is, was and always will be ruled by the effective use of violence. Civilization is based on violence, forever burdened to more effectively use violence than barbarians and beasts. If not, society crumbles.

As I stated near the beginning of this thread, the Patriarchy was not a philosophy to oppress women but a survival strategy - an effective survival strategy. It is only AFTER men built civilization that it became safe for women to leave protective shelters - then ungrateful feminists emerged demanding equality of freedom without equality of responsibility. This is why Pearl says to feminists, since you want to be equal; be equal. This means equally shoulder the burden of supporting the infrastructure of society, starting first and foremost in the effective use of violence, followed by: oil rigging, construction, engineering, manufacturing, carpentry, plumbing and electrician work.

 

[Wrangler]

Well said!

Thank you.

Did you notice she did not congratulate me on having moral standards and using them to guide my life and filter people I let into my life based on those standards?

Instead, she asks me to explain why the very first value led filter is even a red flag. Recently, I’ve learned a new movement from man-hating feminists is to attempt to shame men for having ANY preferences. (I referred to that other thread at CyB shaming men for not be willing to marry women with high body counts and even prostitutes. Remember that?

 

[Mink57]

You know, when I first heard the term Feminism, I thought it meant, the art of being feminine.

LOL!!! So did I!!!

I dunno know if the term was subverted or not but it certainly doesnt mean that now!

"According to the New World Encyclopedia, the term's earliest roots encompass two things feminists are often associated with, whether rightly or wrongfully: France and socialism. In fact, its French translation "feminisme" was first used by French socialist Charles Fourier in 1837 to describe the emancipation of women he envisioned for his utopian future."

What Does "Feminism" Mean? A Brief History Of The Word, From Its Beginnings All The Way Up To The Present

Amid recent efforts to get people to stop shying away from the label "feminist" and the debate over what "feminism" means and who gets to decide on a definition, I decided to do some digging into the history of the word "feminism." What I've found…

www.bustle.com

I can agree that feminism has DEvolved into something...unrecognizable...these days.

Do you believe in the Art of Feminism? (The art of femininity)? That's what men want, feminine girls, humble. Takes care of business. Helps as much as she can, and all like that.

Not ALL men want that. Or, maybe I could say, not ALL men want ONLY that.

If a woman behaved in a perfectly feminine manner, who would she be? Can you describe her? Tell us the traits that she would have? It would be more conducive to speak on femininity than feminism and how to terorize and abuse men I would think.

Actually, those are GREAT questions!
1. "Femininity can be understood as socially constructed" That is, that the idea of what 'feminine' is will vary from culture to culture. So there's not universal definition of what it means to be 'feminine'.
2. "There is little scientific agreement about what femininity and masculinity are. Among scholars, the concept of femininity has varying meanings". Since both sexes/genders can display similar characteristics, they can't TRULY be held to one sex/gender or another. Both men and women can be aggressive (for example). They can both be jealous. Possessive. Controlling. Manipulative. And they can both possess the same positive attributes of Empathy, Kindness, Gentleness, Sensitivity and Humility.

If science can't even agree on what femininity is, how can I even describe what the traits are of a 'perfectly feminine woman'?

Now I understand why you dont want to be the model of femininity, several bad relationships soured it for you. I get it. They all hurt you. But how would it be in a perfect world?

Why can't I fix a tire and still be considered 'feminine'?

The only 'perfect' world I can think of would be God's world: Heaven.

Like an Iroquois Indian? Where everything is nice and equal and the women are fully equal with the men.
Yawn, yeah I'm sorta tired honey so you go hunting for a deer for our supper and I'll watch the kids while your gone...
That's equality. Do the Iroquois women go hunting?

The Iroquois women didn't usually hunt, as that was seen as the man's job. BUT, she DID have say over WHICH men would hunt!
Plus, the Iroquois were mostly farmers...and guess who tended the farms by plowing the field, sowing the seeds, harvesting the produce and distributing the food?

The Iroquois men and women had separate roles but held equal power. Historically and traditionally, women had ALL the power inside the home.

 

[Wrangler]

Not ALL men want that. Or, maybe I could say, not ALL men want ONLY that.

Come on! All men want feminine women. That is how God made us.

One of the evils of feminism is how it encourages chicks to act like men. Masculine feminists DO NOT attract men … wait for it …. wait for it … generally speaking. Exceptions don’t make rules.

My ex-wife was VERY feminine. Her feminine ways were very attractive to me. Due to the evil ideology of feminism, women today don’t know how to be feminine.

 

[Mink57]

It is a red flag on many levels.

1. Don’t need a victim mentality chick in my life.
2. Not actually obtaining the value 15+ years after high school indicates lip service, not an actual value.
3. My 1st wife was a ‘me too’ girl, claiming we had all these values in common. How come we argued about acting on them all the time? Not an actual value. Indicative of toxic femininity to morph into the chick the Chad wants.
4. Integrity. Talking the talk is easy. Walking the walk is where character is revealed.

Oh yeah! Of course! Some women can be just as bad as some men!

Sometimes when I daydreamed, I would dream of a time when ALL schools had a REQUIRED course of Domestic Relations. The discussions would be about what red flags are, how to spot them, what to do when you DO spot them, how to avoid being coerced into sex...and more...all being done in COED classrooms.

Yeah, I know. Hey, a girl can dream, can't she?

 

[Wrangler]

I can agree that feminism has DEvolved into something...unrecognizable...these days.

We agree to that.

In the book Women Can’t Hear What Men Don’t Say, the author points out how there are 3 types of feminism and only the first one is good.

1. Empowerment Feminism
2. Victim Feminism
3. Competitive Feminism

I have sisters, a wife, 7 daughters and 9 granddaughters. I want them to be all they can be, get the most out of life, etc. I don’t want them embracing victim mentality or blaming men for their foolish choice to embrace a an anti-empowerment world view.

Sadly, my wife’s oldest daughter is like you, a Competitive Feminist. The worst part of this foolish choice is she has to live with herself and is absolutely miserable with no coping skills poisoning her 3 children to also have no coping skills. Most affected is not her oldest, a 15 yo football player, already showing signs of rejecting her Competitive Feminism. Most affected is my dear 12 yo granddaughter. Like her mother, showing signs of depressive disorder.

Girl power and girls rule has set her up for catastrophic ego collapse in facing the real world.

 

[Wrangler]

Some women can be just as bad as some men!

Nope. ALL women ARE as bad as ALL men. That’s why we equally need Jesus.

 

[Mink57]

What does Wikipedia have to say about Toxic femininity- in the spirit of equality?

Actually, I thought about this the other day, and because you brought it up, I did a little research on it.

Nothing from Wikipedia (!), but I found something on Heathline:

"It’s not clear who first coined “toxic femininity.” Various internet sources suggest the term first entered the mainstream public lexicon around 2018, when social psychologist Devon Price wrote a Medium post about it, and journalist, speaker, and educator Jane Gilmore published a piece on the topic in The Sydney Morning Herald.The definition of the term can vary slightly, depending on the source. A common anti-feminist misconception suggests it means using “feminine” qualities to manipulate men. Yet most experts agree toxic femininity involves restricting your behavior to fit stereotypically feminine traits that men supposedly find pleasing."Identifying and Overcoming Toxic Femininity

A few other sources have provided the same or similar definition.
So THAT'S the definition of "Toxic Femininity"? That is MESSED UP. It doesn't mirror Toxic Masculinity AS IT SHOULD!!! If Toxic Masculinity is defined by "misogyny, homophobia, and violent domination", wouldn't Toxic Femininity be defined as "Misandry, homophobia and violent domination?" Aren't there SOME women out there like that? Of COURSE there are!

If there is equality in ANY way between the sexes it is in the capacity for evil.

BINGO!!

 

[Mink57]

Nope. ALL women ARE as bad as ALL men. That’s why we equally need Jesus.

Ok. I'll agree with that.

 

[Mink57]

Come on! All men want feminine women. That is how God made us.

Eh.

One of the evils of feminism is how it encourages chicks to act like men. Masculine feminists DO NOT attract men … wait for it …. wait for it … generally speaking. Exceptions don’t make rules.

Good thing you said 'generally speaking'. Had you not added that, I would have given your sandwich to MA2444.

My ex-wife was VERY feminine. Her feminine ways were very attractive to me. Due to the evil ideology of feminism, women today don’t know how to be feminine.

O.k. I skimmed through the video. Hmm...the whole learning how to receive got me. The 'gifts' I received often had strings attached.
No thanks.