Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[MA2444]

Now I see your tactics when you can't debate using intellectual honesty.

And I can see you cant debate with relying on what the word of God says. You sound full of hatred and bitterness.

 

[MA2444]

Sounds good.
You don't speak as someone with that level of maturity so I'll choose not to believe you are 62.

You dont believe me! Hahahahaa, that's funny. Your hatred against your husband is being focused on me now? A stranger to you? I dont even now you and you're obviously knee jerking from internal hatred and bitterness.

Am I supposed to simp to your attitude now, as a man should? Lol. I'm glad I didnt marry a woman like you then. I dwell in my house where it's peaceful and not on a corner of the roof top to get away from you! You are a controlling woman and a controlling woman with bitterness in her heart is the girl who wanted to marry me and set up house through her control. I was supposed to simp and go along with it...I left her sitting in McDonalds and slipped out the side door, geesh! I didnt even lie to her. I just...left. So what makes you think that you're someone that I need to lie to? Dont flatter yourself lady, lol.

Your mistake is taken no this personally.

I'm referring to the history of marriage in America. I even shared a link to assist understanding .

And,the history of marriage in scripture.

You don't seem to realize this.

Did you know that in the beginning, OT, if a "man" raped a virgin girl he had to take her to wife? And pay her father fifty shekels of silver too. And,he could never divorce her for the rest of his life. Deuteronomy 22.

Yeah, so what? Is that what happened to you to make you so bitter against all men? You got raped and never got over it? Something happened because you have a lot of hate.
So you feel like he owes you money for what he did? He was supposed to marry you but he didnt? Sorry if that happened to you but it wasnt my fault and I didnt do it. I havent ever raped a woman. But yes, I know what it says and that sounds fair to me.

I gave you a chance to explain to me what is a mysogyinst that you called me and I figured you would jump at the chance to splain your hateful words. But no, you didnt. Huh. I bet you dont even know what the word means. That's why I got no response about that.

Misogynist, lol! Better go google that one on dictionary.com.
You say men shouldnt treat their woman like a slave...but you're also married? That sort of creates a paradox dont it? Men cant control you or have you help them do something, but you want to be married? So excuse me but that makes it sound like you just want to be in control. You want to control the husband instead.
Arent you going against scripture to hold an attitude like that?

 

[MA2444]

Do men have a role in marriage? What is (to you) a mans role and what should he bring to the table as a husband?

Do women have a role in marriage? What is a womans role in marriage? What should she bring to the table?

Your mistake is taken no this personally.

I'm referring to the history of marriage in America. I even shared a link to assist understanding .

And,the history of marriage in scripture.

You don't seem to realize this.

Did you know that in the beginning, OT, if a "man" raped a virgin girl he had to take her to wife? And pay her father fifty shekels of silver too. And,he could never divorce her for the rest of his life. Deuteronomy 22.

I have to wonder why you did not answer those two questions. It's two simple questions. You quoted the questions, and then proceeded to reply without answering them. That's odd, don't you think?

I think it's obvious. While I do usually agree with what you say about the Lord in posts, we sure are miles apart about marriage and relationships between men & women. You said you wont be a slave to a man or let him control you...Ok.

So what is the man's role as a husband to you? Will he be the provider? Will he be responsible for your safety & security? What all should he bring to the table? You make the assertion that the man is not the head of the woman ad can not control her...so, should he serve you? Should he do the housework too, or would that be too controlling? Should he be the one to prepare meals? What if the husband said to you, you do Not mow the grass, that's my job! Would you then rise and say oh no you dont you control freak, I will mow the grass? I'm trying to get a feel for, to you, what are the mans duties as a husband? To be a good husband for you.

Every relationship and marriage is a two way street. Agreed? So what do you as a woman bring to the table? What are the extent of your duties as a wife?

I dont want to guess, so please if you would, answer those questions for me?

Matthew 23:11-12
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.../KJV

So I see that you have been saying that men are not the head and not the greatest in a relationship. You refuse to be his "slave". So do I surmise correctly that you feel that women are the greatest in a relationship? I think that's what you have been saying? You even made a big point about....God is Female! And we all know that God is in control so maybe you liken yourself to be in control also? Let the man serve you? Exalt yourself above the man? That's not scriptural, Sister.

 

[MA2444]

Your mistake is taken no this personally.

I hope you dont think that I'm picking on you. Such is not my intent, but I've never actually talked to a female in real life (such as it is, lol) that spoke of men or femisim like you do, and for you to be a Christian woman just makes it all the more interesting to me.

I've watched plenty of videos where guys have brief interviews with girls on the street about these "issues" and every once in awhile a girl will call the man a mysogynist and they always seem to answer back, what does that mean? And they cant ever answer it! They just parrot the words they hear and seek to degrade men. SO when you called me a misogynist, I had to ask you if you know what that means, and...you didnt give me an answer either, Lol.

I'm sorry but this stuff is kooky to me and I'm trying to understand what it is that you expect from men? Like I siad, I've never tlked to one of you girls in real life before. I dont talk to them girls on the street! (Lol).

So please mamm, help a Brother out to understand? I'm friends with an older lady on a different board and she is a Christian lady and she is in a terrible marriage. She married the man you talk about. He puts her down, treats her like his slave woman dispareges everything she does and says...and the only reason she stays in this abusive relationship is because she believes what the word of God says and she should not seek to be loosed. So in obedience to Jesus, she stays with him. The only reason she stays is because she wants to follow the Lord and what He says and be in obedience to the Lord, Jesus. So she humbles herself and stays. For the Lord, not for him!

And you seem to have the exact opposite belief about how it should be. So yes...this is quite interesting to me. I *think* you are making a mistake in obedience to the Lord. He who seeks to find his life, will lose it. He who would be exalted must humble themselves. Is't that what scripture says? So why put bitter feelings towards a long ago dud boyfriend ahead of obeying the Lord?

 

[MA2444]

I'll choose not to believe you are 62.

That is so funny! I was born on 6/2/62 and right now, I am 62 years of age. Isnt that enough 62's to get you to believe me?! Hmm, 6+2=8 That means new Beginnings doesnt it? I think it does. 6 is the number of man and 2 complete a relationship, but that isnt possible with an arrogant less than humble spirit in either oe of them. There's no completion and becoming one in that relationship. Like I have a reason to lie to a girl like you, lol.

What is the good old way? Yeah, I'm very old school. Try for the life of me I cant understand how a woman who is even older than I am can hold to such young girl views about men and reject what scripture has to say about it. Are you lamenting a lost youth?

At our age, we know very well that it's all about Jesus and Loving Him. We show our Love for our Lord by being obediant to His will. How can you put your hurt above the Lord's will for your relationship with your husband? That's not humble at all.

I think doing that will hinder your spiritual growth. We must obey the Lord in all things like He says in His word. Even to the point of suffering, or dying. For we know that within the Lords words are wisdom and life. We have (all) both already proved it to ourselves that...we are unable to make the right decisions and do it it on our own! We need Jesus! You failed your marriage. I failed my marriage. We need Jesus to call the shots!

Besides, Do you think that I like everything the Lord has instructed me to do? No there has been plent that I didnt like. But I am able to see with my knowledge and experience to draw on is always a failed attempt on my part. I trust the Lord Jesus. I accept that even if I dont always like it or understand it, that His words are true and for my benefit. All things work together for good to those that love the Lord. We have to trust the Lord and fear Him.

Scripture doesnt say the arrogant women will inherit the earth. It says the meek shall inherit the earth. I think that meekness is a componant of Love. If one loves another, then they will put them ahead of themselves, and desire to serve them and do things for them. Love is the most powerful force in the known universe. Even if you dont understand it completely. It is a journey. And so I would think that holding to hostility towards men would inhibit your ability to love?

 

[MA2444]

Sounds good.

You're old enough to remember Billy Joel, right? I do, he's alright. So I clicked on this for no reason but I figured he would do a song. It made me think of you! So I'll share it with you.

Now no offense, ok? I know many men are afriad of strong women and all that, but I aint, so with a spirit of humor...
I never heard a deaf girl sing before!

 

[BlessedPeace]

You're old enough to remember Billy Joel, right? I do, he's alright. So I clicked on this for no reason but I figured he would do a song. It made me think of you! So I'll share it with you.

Now no offense, ok? I know many men are afriad of strong women and all that, but I aint, so with a spirit of humor...
I never heard a deaf girl sing before!

Oh,that's a spirit alright.
Thank you for the insight into yours.

 

[MA2444]

Oh,that's a spirit alright.
Thank you for the insight into yours.

That's all? But I thought you were a strong independant woman? Dont tell me that a strong independant man can offend a srong independant woman so easily, is that possible? Or maybe your just used to men simping to you?

I apologize. I thought I was talking to a strong independant woman. If I had known that you were an easily offended delicate thing I wouldnt have posted it.

 

[MA2444]

That's odd. I guess she wanted a friendly roomate situation without marriage as a believer? It's a strange time out here. I thought that sort of thing was a goal mostly for those toward our generation (29,28yrs old).

I was sort of taught that ladies shouldn't chase...or at least don't move into a bachelor's home uninvited! My mom's advice is still something I get push back on cause the men say things are different now and we don't live in a time where men can just approach women they like without risk.

Me too! That's why I set my limit to 50 yr olds and older so none of that drama would be present, lol. But...I guess some of it filtered down into some of the older generations also. I told woman once, So you dont want to get married so are friend zoning me? Ans she said the most ominous thing, lol. She said I never said we were friends...(Wow!) So I aint her friend nor boyfriend or anything...so why is she here? Because my house is in better hape than her house? Because I'm easy going? Helpful? Huh. Conclusion, I shouldnt answer the door for her! I did this a couple times and she stood outside for 2 hours pounding on different doors, lol. Then she asked for a key to the house! I said, sorry only family gets keys, lol. Boy I'm glad I got her out of here! It took some doing to do it, shall we say, non-eventful?! By the hair on my chiny chin chin, lol.

I'm sorry if I ruined your thread by calling out Blessedhope for some of the things she said. She said she was a strong woman and I know what that means because I was married to a strong woman and loved it, really. What good is a Tiger without claws? I didnt think she would get so offended to me. She displayed a strong spirit in her posts about the boy/girl thing so it felt familier and I jumped on it. I can talk boy/girl stuff too! And I called my wife out regularly on her BS that she would say, then she'd try to politely tell me where I was wrong and she was right. So it wasnt without some bits of excitement before I was able to get her to be able to comprehend she was wrong in what she was saying, and my wife would eventually (usually!) admit, ok I see what you mean and, you are right. I suppose I miss that a little bit and came on too strong for our strong Woman on board. Sorry!

But she cant seriously expect to go online and say such things about men and the boy/girl thing without men responding to her, right? Because honestly, what she said was kooky.
I dont have to cook or clean for a man and be his slave...(What?) WHat are you there for? That's kooky. So I aplogize to the strong girl for upsetting her and ask her to be advised...you can't go online and talk smack about men just because you feel entitled! Someone is going to say something! So you better have your ducks in a row! I do feel bad now because I feel like I killed your thread. I'm sorry!

What happened to the strong women that they be so easily offended now? My strong willed wife would stand up and she'd bark back at me, and we did some of that boy/girl stuff too! She wasnt offended, she would wrestle me, lol! The boy/girl thing is the battle of the sexes and has been going on since Eve came on the scene! You aint taking away man's right to speak and say, the woman is wrong. You can't get offended. That's not being strong.

 

[Wynona]

I'm sorry if I ruined your thread by calling out Blessedhope for some of the things she said.

I don't feel the thread is ruined. I don't need it to be just a blog-type thing. I think disagreement is useful to discussions like this.

Plus, you being a man with your own personality helps you get across things I agree with but in a way different people can relate to. Everybody has different ways of speaking on here and my way might not click with everyone. I'm happy for your posts and BlessedPeace's. Every post sends my topic straight to the headline and feminist leaning people are more than welcome to share and test my ideas.

My personality is unusual. I like when people have strong opinions even if I don't agree because thinking about ideas is fun for me.

So if anyone wants to combat the ideas in this thread, I hope they feel welcome and that we can discuss things with patience and both come away with something even if we never agree.

 

[MA2444]

I don't feel the thread is ruined. I don't need it to be just a blog-type thing. I think disagreement is useful to discussions like this.

Plus, you being a man with your own personality helps you get across things I agree with but in a way different people can relate to. Everybody has different ways of speaking on here and my way might not click with everyone. I'm happy for your posts and BlessedPeace's. Every post sends my topic straight to the headline and feminist leaning people are more than welcome to share and test my ideas.

My personality is unusual. I like when people have strong opinions even if I don't agree because thinking about ideas is fun for me.

So if anyone wants to combat the ideas in this thread, I hope they feel welcome and that we can discuss things with patience and both come away with something even if we never agree.

Wow. That's cool. An old school forward thinking lady that makes sense! Your Husband is blessed!

I hope Blessedhope chews on what I said and responds to me about it. I thought she was getting ready to wrestle! And I'm down for that! I've been Battle of the Sexes a long time now and it's fun. Never a dull moment! But that's all it is so we should all not be offended. That's the nature of BotS! Oh yeah, En-Garde!

Bring those Feminists on! Lol.

 

[MA2444]

With all the new terms and acronyms floating around nowadays, there should be a term for Not a full blown Feminist, but has feminist leanings. Those middle of the road girls who are only a little mixed up!

 

[Wynona]

With all the new terms and acronyms floating around nowadays, there should be a term for Not a full blown Feminist, but has feminist leanings. Those middle of the road girls who are only a little mixed up!

This isn't all of them, but you might like Dadvocates. They are feminists who fight for equality for the sexes, they just admit that now the system is stacked against men. A lot of them focus on child support, child custody, and divorce laws and how they unfairly favor women today.

Other people just call it "modern women". It's vague, but it just means women with modern values instead of traditional ones.

 

[Wynona]

@MA2444

My husband and I made a lot of happy jokes with this video. It's a Youtube short from a Dadvocate's channel showcasing a woman being old-fashioned, but high value.

 

[Wynona]

 

[MA2444]

@MA2444

My husband and I made a lot of happy jokes with this video. It's a Youtube short from a Dadvocate's channel showcasing a woman being old-fashioned, but high value.

I did like that! My wife used to make luches so good that I always had the best lunch of anyone at work. The Boss saw me getting out my big built sandwich with side dishes from leftovers and stuff and said dang boy you get better lunches than I do! He had a one piece bologna sandwich with ketchup and a Pesis, lol!

Right after we first got married, I had my older brother and his wife over for dinner. My older brother made like 3 to 4 times what I did at the time, and when my wife set the dinner down, his mouth fell open and he said to his wife, I make 4X the money he makes, how come we cant eat like this?! And his wife wasnt in good mood all of a sudden, lol. My wife wasnt trying to make her look bad, she's just, got it. She was raised on a farm in old country Poland so she could make dinner out of the gravel from the driveway! Oh, I miss her cooking!

It's true that the way to a mans heart is through his stomach. That's caring, nurtering behavior that men appreciate! Cookig is a love language! She loves me! Look at this food! She's some kind of Wonderful...

 

[BlessedPeace]

I think what lead this thread to go sideways is the OP does not know what Feminism actually entails.

While others who mock and ridicule women don't have that excuse.

If a woman wants to literally and or figuratively walk one step behind her husband,as in some traditions,that's her choice.
If thinking to curtail her God given qualities and strengths because she imagines it to be requisite by the God who gifted her that, so be it.

However,when it is imagined all women should concur on some level when in Christ, or be subject to ridicule and mockery and are even applauded for it, that in itself belies any notion that the aforementioned "anti-feminist" argument is vacant of foundation and credible substance.

 

[Wynona]

I did like that! My wife used to make luches so good that I always had the best lunch of anyone at work. The Boss saw me getting out my big built sandwich with side dishes from leftovers and stuff and said dang boy you get better lunches than I do! He had a one piece bologna sandwich with ketchup and a Pesis, lol!

Right after we first got married, I had my older brother and his wife over for dinner. My older brother made like 3 to 4 times what I did at the time, and when my wife set the dinner down, his mouth fell open and he said to his wife, I make 4X the money he makes, how come we cant eat like this?! And his wife wasnt in good mood all of a sudden, lol. My wife wasnt trying to make her look bad, she's just, got it. She was raised on a farm in old country Poland so she could make dinner out of the gravel from the driveway! Oh, I miss her cooking!

It's true that the way to a mans heart is through his stomach. That's caring, nurtering behavior that men appreciate! Cookig is a love language! She loves me! Look at this food! She's some kind of Wonderful...

II love that. I still don't believe that women should chase men any kind of way but I do approve of women showing interest by cooking something nice for a man they're dating.

Don't send nudes! Cook some food!

I believe in feminine confidence. Don't beg for a man to love you if you're single. Carry yourself as if you are a wife already. Meaning, you know you are worth committing to and not anyone's toy.

 

[MA2444]

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I used to have an Mechanical contracting business and we knew a guy who owned a Jewelry store and I was building a house for him in the mountains. Well, the gas, plumbing and heat & Air. And we invited him and his wife to dinner. Bob was always asking if he can have some of her Perogies that are so famous around town, lol. And eventually she said yes and...was supposed to make a big batch. It's todaY they're coming dont be late for dinner!

But I was late. I came in and they were already sitting at the dinner table. She made me a plate real quick and I took two bites and knew immediately that, these werent her Perogies. I said (without thinking, lol!) Hey these aint yours! What are these froze from a bag or something...?! And they were, lol. She had been pressed for time about something and thought she could take a short cut, and it just didnt fly with me! When she makes Perogies it always takes her 2 to 3 full days of cooking and preperation because she always made a huge pot full. (huge). And I made look bad, but she shoulda known and warned me to keep quiet. Poor Bob.

He did get some of the real ones after that. She owed him, lol! Bob prolly couldnt have been able to tell that they was from a bag if I hadnt opened my mouth!

 

[Wynona]

I think what lead this thread to go sideways is the OP does not know what Feminism actually entails.

What am I missing? (Feel free to share?) It may be true that many feminists are not against women being traditional by choice. But the idea that marriage is slavery or that housework is inferior to careers outside of home did originate with the feminist movement.

It's like the no true Scotsman fallacy. "That's not actual feminism!" Not all feminists agree on everything. But mocking traditional feminine roles is definitely a byproduct of feminism.

However,when it is imagined all women should concur on some level when in Christ, or be subject to ridicule and mockery and are even applauded for it, that in itself belies any notion that the aforementioned "anti-feminist" argument is vacant of foundation and credible substance.

What ridicule and mockery? Unless you mean your argument with MA2444? I wasnt trying to pick sides. Im happy both of you posted. I may have missed some of what was said. Otherwise, Im not sure what you mean by this.