"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

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GEN2REV

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Basically all false religions and cults that claim to be Christian and teach salvation by works strongly disagree with OSAS which has always been a major red flag for me.
Not one single person in this entire thread has claimed salvation by works. Not one.

Can a born again, saved Christian who is IN CHRIST and 'knows' God intimately go to heaven if they continue to live in habitual sin, Dan?
Yes or no?

It's a simple question and a simple concept.
 
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Agree!
Sort of a big fat slap in God Face, AS IF, His Gift OF Salvation Given a man,
is faulty and comes with strings that a man controls.
Pride

Pride can not get out of its own way,It must take credit. It must have a say, It must be able to do.

Pride can not see truth, All it sees is itself.
 

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Basically all false religions and cults that claim to be Christian and teach salvation by works strongly disagree with OSAS which has always been a major red flag for me.
While we're waiting for your response to my last question, I got a couple more for ya.

Was King Solomon ever saved at any point in his lifetime? The Majestic son of King David who wrote so many great works for God and built the first Temple of God. Was he saved?

Was King Saul ever saved? The first official King of Israel, chosen by God, who led Israel to victory over so many of their enemies by God's divine guidance. Was he saved?
 

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Oh I do!

Paul said,
"If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."
Philippians 3:11-14

Basically, He said NOSAS. Yet y'all just keep sassin' and sassin'.
No, Paul is saying rather, that he counts himself among the dead in Christ, of whom Jesus is the Last. But he also said that he was all things to all people, and that he was among "we who are alive and remain", who are the living in Christ, of whom Jesus is the First.

These things he said to and of all, that "he might save some."
 
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I doubt Dan is going to answer. Would each of you like to chime in with your own 2 cents? These are entirely pertinent questions to the thread.

Was King Solomon ever saved at any point in his lifetime? The Majestic son of King David who wrote so many great works for God and built the first Temple of God. Was he saved?

Was King Saul ever saved at any time? The first official King of Israel, chosen by God, who led Israel to victory over so many of their enemies by God's divine guidance. Was he saved?
 

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Was King Solomon ever saved at any point in his lifetime? The Majestic son of King David who wrote so many great works for God and built the first Temple of God. Was he saved?

This is an absolute...no. Enoch and Elijah were unique is some way.... but no one "saved" in the Old Testament...no salvation in the Old Testament.

Anytime the words saved, salvation, or redeemed are used it applies to the physical. Yahweh never offered anybody in the Old Testament heaven for any reason or threatened them with hell. Heaven and Hell were not possible destinations until the New Testament.

And of course this goes for Saul to.
 

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Was King Solomon ever saved at any point in his lifetime? The Majestic son of King David who wrote so many great works for God and built the first Temple of God. Was he saved?

This is an absolute...no. Enoch and Elijah were unique is some way.... but no one "saved" in the Old Testament...no salvation in the Old Testament.

Anytime the words saved, salvation, or redeemed are used it applies to the physical. Yahweh never offered anybody in the Old Testament heaven for any reason or threatened them with hell. Heaven and Hell were not possible destinations until the New Testament.

And of course this goes for Saul to.
Old Testament people were saved by faith in God.

King Solomon turned to the worship of false gods.

According to 1 Samuel 16:14 the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and in 2 Samuel 28:16 Samuel told Saul the Lord had turned away from him and become his enemy.
 
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By definition salvation (being the gift of eternal life), is forever.

Still, there are many who are confused by the ongoing sin of people who claim to be saved. This is a great misunderstanding-- but it does not mean that salvation can be lost. And yes, there are many scriptures that can be cherry picked and presented to argue the point...but that does not take anyone who is actually saved, having been born [again] of the spirit of God, out of His hand, or that they can loose their salvation, because: It is no longer you who live, but God who lives-- salvation means you gave you life to God...and God is forever.

Yes, there are many ways you can ho hum your way around thinking about actually giving your life to God, but if and when you totally do surrender your life to God and give it to Him, it is finished: You are forever "in God" and He in you--and He is forever.

"God is the same yesterday, today, and forever."​

So...now the matter of ongoing sin:

Just as Peter, having been "washed clean" by Christ, was embodied by Satan, causing Jesus to say "Get behind me Satan" to Peter...after we are born again of the spirit of God we can sin in the flesh without loosing our salvation-- Why? Because "we are alive and remain" in the world. This is the stumbling block that causes people to believe they can lose their salvation. But, again, this is a misunderstanding of what actually occurs. At no other time in history, not even those times when most of the scriptures were written, have people died and lived on in the flesh. These are those times...and the terms are different. And yes, it is written of in the scriptures-- If you don't know of them, keep searching, nocking, and asking.

Nonetheless, if you are saved, having been born again of the spirit of God, it is no longer you who lives, but God who lives...and He is forever. While you remain in the world...your old flesh is still subject to death and decay..and sin. But that body of flesh is passing away, just as all the world is passing away...and this is why we are counselled to remain faithful to the end--because it is as if we have been left in the grave, in death...without which we could not survive without faith and the knowledge that it is no longer we who live, but God who lives in us.

And we are here to serve--that is why we are left in the world...not to act out of our fleshly old bodies, but rather, to walk in the newness of life-- that life we have been given in the Spirit. Walk in the spirit.

So, yes, it is a daily labor to keep the old flesh under subordination of the spirit of God. But it is in Him that we have the strength to do so.

Until the End.
I agree except for the sin of unbelief. If you have an unbelieving heart you can fall away from salvation.
 

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I agree except for the sin of unbelief. If you have an unbelieving heart you can fall away from salvation.
Precious friend, Really? Then Judas had a "believing heart, AND an UNbelieving heart"?:

JESUS, Who Is The "God Who Knows all hearts, Certainly Disagrees!:

Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe NOT. For JESUS KNEW from
the beginning who they were that believed NOT
, and who should betray Him.

Joh_6:70 Jesus Answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

So, since when are "devils SAVED"? Judas could NOT:
"have been saved, then lost!"​
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believing, then UNbelieving? Under GRACE, Scripture Also Disagrees!

This Denies The "Foreknowledge/Choosing/Knowledge" of God:

(a) "God’s SURE Foundation Has THIS SEAL”:

The LORD Knoweth them that Are HIS!..." (2 Timothy 2:19 KJB!),

The "TRULY saved," Correct?

(b) HOW LONG Has "The LORD KNOWN them That Are HIS Own"?
(Ephesians 1:4-6 KJB!) = ALWAYS,
Correct?

(c) For those who are LOST, how is it That The LORD Said Unto them:
I NEVER Knew you”? (Matthew 7:21-23 KJB!) = NEVER,
Correct?

Precious friend:
You do not wish to explain the Contradictory teaching: "Christ Says He ALWAYS KNEW" the TRULY saved, but they LOST salvation, so THEN, "HE says HE NEVER KNEW them." do you, Precious friend??? UNscriptural, Correct?

More/Further Scriptural Plain And Clear Confirmation?:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance!


Peace!
 
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Not one single person in this entire thread has claimed salvation by works. Not one.

Can a born again, saved Christian who is IN CHRIST and 'knows' God intimately go to heaven if they continue to live in habitual sin, Dan?
Yes or no?

It's a simple question and a simple concept.

A born again person does not live in sin...any sin.
You do realize a born again person, is called “IN” Christ, Because they are occupying the use of Jesus’ RISEN body.
 

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if you have an unbelieving heart, then despite any claims, you were never saved to begin with.
Then why are Christians in Hebrews warned not to have an unbelieving heart and fall away?

"See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God."
 
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Precious friend, Really? Then Judas had a "believing heart, AND an UNbelieving heart"?:

JESUS, Who Is The "God Who Knows all hearts, Certainly Disagrees!:

Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe NOT. For JESUS KNEW from
the beginning who they were that believed NOT
, and who should betray Him.

Joh_6:70 Jesus Answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

So, since when are "devils SAVED"? Judas could NOT:
"have been saved, then lost!"​
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believing, then UNbelieving? Under GRACE, Scripture Also Disagrees!

This Denies The "Foreknowledge/Choosing/Knowledge" of God:

(a) "God’s SURE Foundation Has THIS SEAL”:

The LORD Knoweth them that Are HIS!..." (2 Timothy 2:19 KJB!),

The "TRULY saved," Correct?

(b) HOW LONG Has "The LORD KNOWN them That Are HIS Own"?
(Ephesians 1:4-6 KJB!) = ALWAYS,
Correct?

(c) For those who are LOST, how is it That The LORD Said Unto them:
I NEVER Knew you”? (Matthew 7:21-23 KJB!) = NEVER,
Correct?

Precious friend:
You do not wish to explain the Contradictory teaching: "Christ Says He ALWAYS KNEW" the TRULY saved, but they LOST salvation, so THEN, "HE says HE NEVER KNEW them." do you, Precious friend??? UNscriptural, Correct?

More/Further Scriptural Plain And Clear Confirmation?:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance!


Peace!
Of course he knew. He is God. That doesn't mean Judas never believed.
 

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A born again person does not live in sin...any sin.
You do realize a born again person, is called “IN” Christ, Because they are occupying the use of Jesus’ RISEN body.
You are sinless? I don't know anyone who is sinless.