"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[Cooper]

What have the dead to do with the living?

It is the same God who judges the dead and the living.

 

[Cooper]

If all you read was Romans...you might be right. But Paul wrote much more than Romans.

Scripture against scripture, line upon line, here a little, there a little. Have you not read this?

In his letters Paul began from where people were at, while he reasoned with them as he pointed them to their need for Christ.
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[Taken]

How do you know this?
I mean about WHEN Peter was saved...
Tomorrow.

How I KNOW? Scripture.

1. Jesus’ told his disciples that would happen after Jesus returned to Heaven.
2. After Jesus’ returned to Heaven. His disciples received the HS.
3. Receiving the HS IN a person, IS being Baptized with the HS, and SAVED.

(1) Jesus tells them.
John 14:
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever
[26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John.15
[26] But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John.16
[7] Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

(2) Jesus returns to heaven.
Luke 24:
[50] And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
[51] And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
[52] And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great

(3) Disciples receive their Salvation; the Baptism of HS IN them.
Acts 1:
[13] And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
[14] These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
[15] And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty)

Acts 2:
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost...

 

[Cooper]

Yeah, I guess they got the name of the book of Romans wrong. Silly me.

Either way, as the record states, they were only "called."

I feel when I read Romans that Paul is speaking to me a Gentile, while elsewhere he was talking to the Jews. The final conclusion is the same but he reasoned with them starting from their point of view.

 

[Taken]

Israel's backsliding is a fact!

Gentiles are NOT ISRAEL...irrelevant to Gentiles receiving Salvation forever, before their physical DEATH, once and forever.

 

[GodsGrace]

How I KNOW? Scripture.

1. Jesus’ told his disciples that would happen after Jesus returned to Heaven.
2. After Jesus’ returned to Heaven. His disciples received the HS.
3. Receiving the HS IN a person, IS being Baptized with the HS, and SAVED.

(1) Jesus tells them.
John 14:
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever
[26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John.15
[26] But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John.16
[7] Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

(2) Jesus returns to heaven.
Luke 24:
[50] And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
[51] And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
[52] And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great

(3) Disciples receive their Salvation; the Baptism of HS IN them.
Acts 1:
[13] And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
[14] These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
[15] And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty)

Acts 2:
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost...

So you believe the Apostles were not saved when they walked with Jesus ?

 

[Taken]

The Pharisees thought that too.

Pharisee were Jews. I am not a Jew.
And BTW Paul was a Pharisee, and Became SAVED BEFORE his physical death, same as I have become Sav-ED Once and forever, BEFORE my physical death.

 

[Cooper]

I have seen no applicable Scriptures you have quoted.

A man who can LOSE his salvation. Can lose it Because he never received it.

Only a blind person cannot see God's dealings with his chosen people.

 

[Cooper]

Gentiles are NOT ISRAEL...irrelevant to Gentiles receiving Salvation forever, before their physical DEATH, once and forever.

It is the same One God over all peoples.

 

[Cooper]

Pharisee were Jews. I am not a Jew.
And BTW Paul was a Pharisee, and Became SAVED BEFORE his physical death, same as I have become Sav-ED Once and forever, BEFORE my physical death.

We are all one in the eyes of God.

 

[Cooper]

EG,
I don't know any Christian that depends on himself for salvation.
Isn't this why Jesus died for us? So we could depend on Him for our salvation?
As to John and 1 John 2:19...did you ever study John and gnosticim?
Seems like you've heard it before...maybe it's right?

If you're at all interested, the net is full of information for John's letters and why he wrote them.
Here is one interesting site...start at page 42 to about 44
https://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1361&context=wes_theses



Regarding also THE ANNOINTED, please read the above link.
John was not concerned with atheists....but with false teachers infiltrating the church...
and mostly and basically gnostics.

I don't need to depend on John,
Paul also wrote of how we could forfeit our salvation.
Every one of his letters told of how we are to behave...

I'd also love to have an explanation of
Colossians 1:21-23
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

I must read the link you gave. The teaching is so profound.

 

[Taken]

It is the same One God over all peoples.

What IS, and what people believe and worship as their god, is according to the people themselves. All People do not believe or worship the same god.

What does that have to do with the OP?

 

[Taken]

We are all one in the eyes of God.

WE who? All People? No not ALL People are the same. People are divided, by God Himself. Not the same.

 

[Taken]

Peter spent 3 years walking and talking with the Lord of Glory and never had a conversion experience? Absolutely impossible.

Absolutely Peter was CONVERTED....AFTER Jesus returned to Heaven.
I didn’t say otherwise.
What I said was Peter did NOT become “unsaved”.

People don't "receive salvation" upon conversion. Nowhere in the Bible is this taught.

WHAT? CONVERSION “IS” the ACT of Receiving Salvation!

Matthew 24:13 KJV: But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Are there more than one type of salvations? How can I "receive salvation" at conversion and then be saved after I have endured to the end?

What do you think ENDURE means?
It means to CONTINUE to BELIEVE in God...or BELIEVE in GOD and JESUS is the Christ...
Till when? Until the DAY YOUR PHYSICAL BODY DIES.

How does A man BELIEVE, until he physically Dies?
By his OWN WILL POWER.

How strong is a mans OWN WILL POWER....WHEN evil spirits roam the earth?
WHEN wicked men roam the earth? WHEN wicked men in POWER of government seats daily silence God, daily 24-7 preach they are the SAVIOR of mankind with their Drugs, and you must do as THEY command? And people YIELD to powers of men. And parents allow their children to be RULED daily in schools taught the Governments RULE of men, and men MUST be saved by governments, as they silence God??? Wicked men MADE themselves MASTERS and PEOPLE Slaves/Servants. Do you KNOW the US CONSTITUTION? The People are the MASTERS of their lives, and the government is the SERVANTS of the People. Are ya feeling that IN THE US? In the World? Do you not SEE them MAKING themselves MASTERS, DICTATORS, COMMANDING, DEMANDING? And threatening the People who will NOT Yield?

Scripture repeatedly WARNS men...how hard it is for men WHO ARE TRYING TO ENDURE.....(ie CONTINUE BELIEVING)...when evil, corruption, and wickedness IS ALL OVER THE WORLD.
If a man CONTINUES to ENDURE believing, UNTIL his physical Death...

READ YOUR OWN Scriptural QUOTE....Matt 24:13..
That man WILL BE SAVED AT the time of his PHYSICAL DEATH.
(Do you not already SEE...men leaving God, and bowing down to Wicked Governments.....because they are AFRAID of their governments THREATS?
China, Russia, Australia and ALSO the US...Why do you think People who BELIEVE ARE;
Complaining and Standing up against these governments...WHY? Because They are Corrupt, silencing God, and trying to become the worlds MASTER / DICTATORS, with their fear, and drugs.

I do not ENDURE to “MY” END, Hoping I AM CAPABLE with MY OWN WILL POWER, to STAND AGAINST evil spirits and wicked men in governments threatening men with Armed forces, for not putting away God....and allowing “them” to BE MY DICTATOR MASTER over my LIFE, my Health, my Beliefs...

I CHOSE to ACCEPT the Lords OFFERING....That HE WOULD SAVE ME “NOW”,
FROM all Evil and Wickedness.........WITH HIS POWER!!!.....while I remain LIVING ON THIS EARTH in my flesh physical body.

I do NOT fear, evil spirits or the worlds wicked men in Power, screaming on their soap box daily, That I MUST Yield to THEM, DO as they SAY, Mask my Face, My Mouth, Stop Speaking Gods Truth, ALLOW them to Inject their concocted poisons into my body, Stay in my home, not go outside, not travel, Keep separated from all people.... LOAD of CRAP. They are NOT my Masters.
They are NOT my Savior.

My SAVIOR is Christ the Lord Jesus. He Offered to SAVE me, BEFORE MY PHYSICAL DEATH. I accepted His OFFERING. And He IS True and Faithful to GIVE His offering TO ME.
He Offered, HIS SALVATION, VIA CONVERSION.
I Accepted, HIS OFFERING,
He GAVE ME, His Conversion.
I AM SAV-ED.
His SPIRIT is “IN” me.
His SPIRIT “IN” me, IS His POWER.
His “POWER” “IN” me....FOREVER KEEPS ME “IN” Belief “IN” the Lord God Almighty.

***Do you SEE THE DIFFERENCE, between a man who ENDURES to the end of his physical LIFE, by his OWN POWER (and MIGHT fall away under pressure and fear of men).
AND
A man WHO REMAINS in belief to the end of his physical LIFE, by Gods POWER? (And can NEVER fall away, Kept BY Gods POWER)? OSAS!

Yes...man can and do EASILY fall away.......FROM “BELIEF”!!
They are not falling away FROM “BEING SAVED”.
They are falling AWAY from “BELIEF”...and thus “WILL NOT BE SAVED”, when their physical life ends....They have LOST their SALVATION, because they fell from BELIEF, and will NOT BECOME SAVED.

A man WHO IS CONVERTED, IS SAVED, before his physical death....and can never FALL AWAY.......less you think Gods POWER “IN” the man...is not Powerful enough to KEEP the man “WITH” God. ???? OSAS

OSAS.......IS SAVED, IS KEPT SAVED.....by Gods POWER “IN” the man.
BELIEVING....IS not saved.....and men CAN and DO fall away.
BELIEVING to the end of a mans physical life.....SHALL BECOME saved, at his physical death.

Not complicated.

 

[Taken]

I already answered that.

LOL...
QUESTION...Are you saved?
Possible Answer...no <— 2 letters
Possible Answer...yes <—- 3 letters

Your answer .... 20 letters of vagueness.

 

[Taken]

What ridiculous nonsense. No one could simply read Romans and get that from it.

No one is obligated to quote the entire Bible to you.
Scripture from multiple Books, Chapters, Verses, gives the Knowledge on one topic.

 

[Taken]

So you believe the Apostles were not saved when they walked with Jesus ?

No. The disciples walked with Jesus, as followers, students, hearing, learning.
They were foretold, they would be teachers, AFTER Jesus returned to Heaven.
After Jesus returned to Heaven, they Became Baptized in the Holy Spirit...
And were then called Apostles.....Teachers....speaking and spreading the Word of God......According to the Word of God.

And soon after the Apostles died off......Gentiles became the “teachers”...
Some teaching of the “Word of God....according to the Word of God”...
And Many teaching of the “Word of man...according to the word of man”.

 

[Taken]

Only a blind person cannot see God's dealings with his chosen people.

LOL...what does that have to with the OP?

 

[Taken]

GodsGrace said: ↑

I don't know any Christian that depends on himself for salvation.

Curious. Have you ever witnessed in a Protestant Christian Church a person going to an altar call?

 

[Christ4Me]

no one who truly believed ever fell away.

they were not of us, if they were of us they never would have left.

we can not ignore what the apostle John said

@Lifelong_sinner & @Cooper & @Taken @Renniks @BarnyFife

Apostle John is addressing believers that thinks sins is no longer sin to them for why he reproves them by pointing out how Jesus walked in the light in 1 John 1:3-10

So when the lust of the flesh the lust of the eye, and the pride of life causes some to love the world and not have the love of the Father in them, one can see that as them departing out from us in that way too and not just by false prophets. 1 John 2:14-29

There are two folds of sheep; the ones that follow His voice and those who followed the stranger's voice, those sheep that went astray ( John 10:1-5 ), but the Lord will get those lost sheep even after excommunication by the church ( Matthew 18:10-17 ) and at the rapture event when He denies them at the rapture event because unrepentant carnal believers & even former believers are still His for why He still abides ( 2 Timothy 2:11-13 )

Those sheep He "must" bring that are not of the fold that followed His voice hence the stranger's voice, His sheep that went astray ( John 10:14-16 ) because He will lose none of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:37-40 )

Do note how former believers are still called to depart from iniquity in 2 Timothy 2:18-21 so as to be accepted by Him ( 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 ) as a vessel unto honor in His House rather than disqualified and left behind as denied by the Bridegroom to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven but as that vessel unto dishonor ( vessels of wood & earth ) but still in His House.