Revelation 7: 4-8 The 144000

[CTK]

This is opinion without biblical proof texts. While I agree that Rev & Dan speak of both things of heaven and earth, I don't believe the 144,000 should be interpreted as being on the earth since they are located in the heavenly realm of God after they have physically died. That is where only as spirit we reside with Christ and an innumerable company of angels. We know this because the text tells us they are on Mount Sion with the slain Lamb. To read this as Mt Zion of the earth would make no sense. They are a spiritual body alive with Christ in heaven, because after our body dies, our spirit returns to the Father just as the spirit of Christ ascended to heaven when His body breathed its last. (Ecc 12:7 & Lu 23:46)

Spiritually, not physically we (our spirit/soul) belong to Christ eternally when we are born again. Even before we die our spirit has been made perfect through the Spirit of Christ within us, that our spirit shall never die. That's why as spiritual body we ascend to heaven, (1Cor 15:44-50) the heavenly Jerusalem with the angels of God there. It is only our spirit that can ascend to heaven when our body dies because our body shall not be resurrected immortal and incorruptible until the hour coming when the last trumpet sounds. (Jo 5:28-29 & Rev 10:5-7)

Hebrews 12:22-24 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

The New Jerusalem is where, as spiritual body of Christ, we saints shall spiritually dwell until the first heaven and earth passes away. Then we, the holy city New Jerusalem shall come down to the new heaven and new earth as a bride adorned for her husband. After physical death none who are with Christ shall be resurrected to life again to inhabit this earth. (Rev 21:1-5) For this reason the 144,000 are seen in heaven and not on Mt Zion of this earth.

I certainly agree with most of what you are saying! But I find the 144,000 are literal Jews at the end of time for a specific end time mission.
But God is also giving us a vision through John of what will be … the 144,000 and the multitude… the 24 elders, etc., are future scenes of God’s victory and after everything is fulfilled. Mt. Zion reference lets us know this is a vision in heaven , not on earth.

Thanks.

 

[rwb]

I certainly agree with most of what you are saying! But I find the 144,000 are literal Jews at the end of time for a specific end time mission.
But God is also giving us a vision through John of what will be … the 144,000 and the multitude… the 24 elders, etc., are future scenes of God’s victory and after everything is fulfilled. Mt. Zion reference lets us know this is a vision in heaven , not on earth.

Thanks.

The problem is that you do not PROVE what you allege.

144,000 as compared with the innumerable multitude is the remnant of Old Covenant faithful saints before the advent of Messiah coming to earth a man. Before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the earth (four winds) there were but few eternally saved, believing what was spoken in the Law and the Prophets, apart from the Holy Spirit being permanently in them.

Since the Holy Spirit was not sent to be in them before Christ ascended to heaven and sent Him, this faithful remnant did not ascend as spiritual body to heaven, because they were not yet "spirits of just men made perfect". They must first be sealed by God for them to spiritually have access to the heavenly realm. Because it is only through the presence of the Spirit within us that our spirit is made perfect and ready to access the heavenly realm a spiritual body.

The angels had been commanded to hold back the four winds, which symbolizes the universal nature of the Spirit being sent unto all the earth to dwell within whosoever among man is destined to eternal life in Christ. The messenger (angel) ascending from the east with the seal of the living God symbolizes Christ, being one with the triune Godhead, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Prior to the winds, through Father, Son & Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God dwelt with man, but was not in man (Jo 14:17). Without the Spirit in you, there is not life (2Cor 3:6).

This faithful remnant of Old Covenant Israel (all the tribes of the children of Israel) who were saved by grace through faith believing the Law and Prophets of Old, is a stark contrast to the great innumerable multitude that shall come from the four corners of the earth as the Holy Spirit spiritually seals believers for eternal life as man hear the Gospel proclaimed and believe in Christ. There will not be utter, complete destruction of all that is alive upon this earth until all who are ordained to eternal life have been spiritually sealed by God. Then shall the end come!

 

[TribulationSigns]

A post full of heresy should not be read, or posted.

Well, you did read it and it has been posted.

I can see that you still can't biblically refute God's Truth about Archangel Michael.

 

[CTK]

The problem is that you do not PROVE what you allege.

144,000 as compared with the innumerable multitude is the remnant of Old Covenant faithful saints before the advent of Messiah coming to earth a man. Before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the earth (four winds) there were but few eternally saved, believing what was spoken in the Law and the Prophets, apart from the Holy Spirit being permanently in them.

Since the Holy Spirit was not sent to be in them before Christ ascended to heaven and sent Him, this faithful remnant did not ascend as spiritual body to heaven, because they were not yet "spirits of just men made perfect". They must first be sealed by God for them to spiritually have access to the heavenly realm. Because it is only through the presence of the Spirit within us that our spirit is made perfect and ready to access the heavenly realm a spiritual body.

The angels had been commanded to hold back the four winds, which symbolizes the universal nature of the Spirit being sent unto all the earth to dwell within whosoever among man is destined to eternal life in Christ. The messenger (angel) ascending from the east with the seal of the living God symbolizes Christ, being one with the triune Godhead, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Prior to the winds, through Father, Son & Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God dwelt with man, but was not in man (Jo 14:17). Without the Spirit in you, there is not life (2Cor 3:6).

This faithful remnant of Old Covenant Israel (all the tribes of the children of Israel) who were saved by grace through faith believing the Law and Prophets of Old, is a stark contrast to the great innumerable multitude that shall come from the four corners of the earth as the Holy Spirit spiritually seals believers for eternal life as man hear the Gospel proclaimed and believe in Christ. There will not be utter, complete destruction of all that is alive upon this earth until all who are ordained to eternal life have been spiritually sealed by God. Then shall the end come!

Thanks, but I am quite comfortable with my interpretation of the 144,000 at the time of the end. There is not much further support I could give you... I have been as detailed as I could possibly be. But I do see that you have developed a very strong opinion of the source of these 144,000 and connected this to other verses that I do not believe are relevant here. But Revelation is indeed a conundrum and everyone sees and interprets these verses through their own set of eyes..... I don't see how the dots you have identified should be connected to the 144,000 at the end times. Thanks for your thoughts, though.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Matthew 24:14, Zechariah 8:23, Isaiah 66:19, Revelation 7:4-8, Romans 11:25-26... I think you might be able to fill in the blanks here...

Looked in Matthew. Nothing there about any 144k preaching
Nothing at all

 

[TribulationSigns]

I certainly agree with most of what you are saying! But I find the 144,000 are literal Jews at the end of time for a specific end time mission.
But God is also giving us a vision through John of what will be … the 144,000 and the multitude… the 24 elders, etc., are future scenes of God’s victory and after everything is fulfilled. Mt. Zion reference lets us know this is a vision in heaven , not on earth.

Thanks.

There is no biblical proof that the 144,000 are Jewish men for a specific end-time mission, assume its to witness the Jews during the Great Tribulation. A false pre-tribulation/millennial doctrine.

The spiritual number 144,000 are God ordained to signify the full measure of the Israel of God - all people sealed by God in the Old and New Testament in Christ. All who are sealed, apply to the body of Christ alone.

Rev 7:9-10
(9) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
(10) And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Note the marvelous seamless pattern God is weaving in saying that when "all Israel" is Saved, we see not literally 144,000 but a great multitude assembled! Not of literal tribes of Jews, but people of all nations, and of all tongues (languages). This is the illustration of all the Israel of God whom He has sealed. The number that John "heard" and saw the great multitude as a result. From Abel to the last person sealed with the Spirit of promise, this is the true Israel of God. A number which no man can number. Just as was prophesied, God has made the seed of Abraham more than the sand of the sea. Certainly literally 144,000 saved in Israel cannot fit the bill at all. To take this literally, in the separatist theology of today, it means that only 144,000 Jews get saved, but a multitude no man can number of gentiles get saved. This is not the case. There are NOT two bodies of Christ, there is only one, made up of Jews and Gentiles alike.

And this great multitude assembled here all have white Robes, which signify that righteousness of Christ!

 

[CTK]

Looked in Matthew. Nothing there about any 144k preaching
Nothing at all

No problem… I think we are done here.

 

[TribulationSigns]

But I do see that you have developed a very strong opinion of the source of these 144,000 and connected this to other verses that I do not believe are relevant here.

But RWB is correct with his understanding of the 144,000, the great multitude of Israel of God.

Rev 14:1-4
(1) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
(2) And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
(3) And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
(4) These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

And we are the only ones who follow the lamb (Christ) wherever He goes. It is the Church which are the only firstfruits unto God. There cannot be two first fruits. It does not make sense. In pretribulation belief, people thought the church is the firstfruits that will be rapture out before the great tribulation, but during the Great Tribulation you read that there are 144,000 Jews being the firstfruits?! That doesn't make sense whatsoever! Christ is thee firstfruit, and we (the body of Christ) are the firstfruits, in Him. That is it! Likewise, only those redeemed by the blood of the Lamb can be spoken of as "in their mouth is no guile," and only the Church is without fault before God! All these things spoken about of these 144,000 who are sealed, apply to the body of Christ alone. No one "but" those in Christ qualify, and additionally, all those in Christ qualify. So the idea of 144,000 Jews, apart from body of Christ, in national Israel is false!

 

[CTK]

There is no biblical proof that the 144,000 are Jewish men for a specific end-time mission, assume its to witness the Jews during the Great Tribulation. A false pre-tribulation/millennial doctrine.

The spiritual number 144,000 are God ordained to signify the full measure of the Israel of God - all people sealed by God in the Old and New Testament in Christ. All who are sealed, apply to the body of Christ alone.

Rev 7:9-10
(9) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
(10) And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Note the marvelous seamless pattern God is weaving in saying that when "all Israel" is Saved, we see not literally 144,000 but a great multitude assembled! Not of literal tribes of Jews, but people of all nations, and of all tongues (languages). This is the illustration of all the Israel of God whom He has sealed. The number that John "heard" and saw the great multitude as a result. From Abel to the last person sealed with the Spirit of promise, this is the true Israel of God. A number which no man can number. Just as was prophesied, God has made the seed of Abraham more than the sand of the sea. Certainly literally 144,000 saved in Israel cannot fit the bill at all. To take this literally, in the separatist theology of today, it means that only 144,000 Jews get saved, but a multitude no man can number of gentiles get saved. This is not the case. There are NOT two bodies of Christ, there is only one, made up of Jews and Gentiles alike.

And this great multitude assembled here all have white Robes, which signify that righteousness of Christ!

I don’t believe I said or implied the things you say I said in my comments. But that is okay.

 

[CTK]

But RWB is correct with his understanding of the 144,000, the great multitude of Israel of God.

Rev 14:1-4
(1) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
(2) And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
(3) And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
(4) These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

And we are the only ones who follow the lamb (Christ) wherever He goes. It is the Church which are the only firstfruits unto God. There cannot be two first fruits. It does not make sense. In pretribulation belief, people thought the church is the firstfruits that will be rapture out before the great tribulation, but during the Great Tribulation you read that there are 144,000 Jews being the firstfruits?! That doesn't make sense whatsoever! Christ is thee firstfruit, and we (the body of Christ) are the firstfruits, in Him. That is it! Likewise, only those redeemed by the blood of the Lamb can be spoken of as "in their mouth is no guile," and only the Church is without fault before God! All these things spoken about of these 144,000 who are sealed, apply to the body of Christ alone. No one "but" those in Christ qualify, and additionally, all those in Christ qualify. So the idea of 144,000 Jews, apart from body of Christ, in national Israel is false!

I don’t agree with your understanding of what I said… or how you have interpreted it. Example- never said the 144,000 are national Israel! But God will use the symbols of the 12 tribes and the 12,000 to get His point across.

There is nothing wrong with having a very different interpretation of a particular verse, prophecy or its meaning - especially regarding Revelation or Daniel! But that is not your style! And unfortunately, you are not alone … if you are comfortable with your interpretation that is fine, I have no interest in discussing those differences with you as they do not come alone. So, best wishes always.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I don’t agree with your understanding of what I said… or how you have interpreted it. Example- never said the 144,000 are national Israel! But God will use the symbols of the 12 tribes and the 12,000 to get His point across.

There is nothing wrong with having a very different interpretation of a particular verse, prophecy or its meaning - especially regarding Revelation or Daniel! But that is not your style! And unfortunately, you are not alone … if you are comfortable with your interpretation that is fine, I have no interest in discussing those differences with you as they do not come alone. So, best wishes always.

Truth matters. Only one interpreation is correct.

Revelation 7:4

• "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

Those who attempt to read Revelation as a literal narrative must say that this means that only literally 144,000 Jews are converted. But this number is used elsewhere, and is understood symbolic in nature. The root numbers of 144,000 are quite obviously the numbers 10 and 12. The number 10 and it's multiples (100, 1000, etc) are the numbers of fullness. As demonstrated in the 10 virgins, or the 100 sheep with one going astray, or the 1000 years being as one day. They all signify the fullness of whatever is in view. And the number 12 is illustrative of the Congregation of the Lord, as seen in the Old Covenant 12 tribes of Israel, or the New Covenant 12 Apostles. 1000 times 12 is 12,000. That is the fulness of those children of God who are sealed. And of course, 12,000 times each tribe is 144,000. The perfect measured fulness of the house of God from all tribes, as also illustrated in the perfect City of Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:16

• "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."

Moreover, there are peculiarities that should readily alert us to the fact that this 144,000 is not the tribes of earthly Israel. First of all, we've seen symbolism all throughout Revelation, and why would God suddenly have this chapter to be curiously understood as a literal narrative, in the midst of all this symbolism? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Secondly, those sealed are said to be made up all the tribes of Israel, and yet all the literal tribes of Israel are not listed. This is because this is Spiritual Israel, an Israel in Christ, not the nation in the middle east. Period! When we examine the census carefully, we find there are significant differences from lists in other places in scripture.

Thirdly, the number 144,000 is 12000 times the 12 tribes, signifying the measured congregation of the Lord's Chosen. 12 is the number of the Church, both seen in the Old and New Covenant. And each tribe here has "exactly" 12,000 sealed, which is yet another indication of the spiritual signification, as also seen in the City of God.

Revelation 21:12-17

• "And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribesof the children of Israel:
• On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
• And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostlesof the Lamb.
• And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
• And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs.The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
• And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."

The City of God is not 12,000 furlongs by coincidence anymore than each tribe has 12,000 sealed by coincidence. The wall is not 144 cubits by coincidence anymore than those sealed of Israel are 144,000. These numbers are God ordained to signify the full measure of the Israel of God. This liberal use of the number 12 in Revelation illustrates this. Whether the 12 Apostles, the 12 tribes, the tree of life which bare 12 manner of fruit, the 12 gates, the 12 pearls, the 12 foundations, etc., these are spiritual significations of the fullness, for, and of, the body of believers. Not a literal city Jerusalem in the middle east, but a Spiritual Jerusalem in the Israel which is Christ. Not a worldly Israel, but a heavenly habitation of God.

 

[rwb]

I don’t agree with your understanding of what I said… or how you have interpreted it. Example- never said the 144,000 are national Israel! But God will use the symbols of the 12 tribes and the 12,000 to get His point across.

There is nothing wrong with having a very different interpretation of a particular verse, prophecy or its meaning - especially regarding Revelation or Daniel! But that is not your style! And unfortunately, you are not alone … if you are comfortable with your interpretation that is fine, I have no interest in discussing those differences with you as they do not come alone. So, best wishes always.

There is another problem you seem not to notice with your understanding of the 144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israel. For these 144,000 to be a specific group from the tribes of the children of Israel ordained for a particular purpose at or near the end of days, they would have to be physically resurrected to be ambassadors for Christ. Do you believe the Word of God contains contradictions? Because Scripture plainly tells us that none shall be bodily resurrected from the graves until the hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds, and time given this earth for proclaiming the Gospel of Christ shall be no longer. How do you reconcile a bodily resurrection of 144,000 of the children of Israel with that which is plainly written?

 

[CTK]

There is another problem you seem not to notice with your understanding of the 144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israel. For these 144,000 to be a specific group from the tribes of the children of Israel ordained for a particular purpose at or near the end of days, they would have to be physically resurrected to be ambassadors for Christ. Do you believe the Word of God contains contradictions? Because Scripture plainly tells us that none shall be bodily resurrected from the graves until the hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds, and time given this earth for proclaiming the Gospel of Christ shall be no longer. How do you reconcile a bodily resurrection of 144,000 of the children of Israel with that which is plainly written?

I believe I was more than clear that these are end time evangelists chosen by God to preach the Good News for 3.5 years before His return. There is nothing wrong reconciliation needed - unless one is committed to your theory. Again, there are many very different interpretations and views on one of the most complex books in the Scriptures, and you are certainly entitled to yours. Thanks.

 

[Verily]

Truth matters. Only one interpreation is correct.

Revelation 7:4

• "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

Those who attempt to read Revelation as a literal narrative must say that this means that only literally 144,000 Jews are converted. But this number is used elsewhere, and is understood symbolic in nature. The root numbers of 144,000 are quite obviously the numbers 10 and 12. The number 10 and it's multiples (100, 1000, etc) are the numbers of fullness. As demonstrated in the 10 virgins, or the 100 sheep with one going astray, or the 1000 years being as one day. They all signify the fullness of whatever is in view. And the number 12 is illustrative of the Congregation of the Lord, as seen in the Old Covenant 12 tribes of Israel, or the New Covenant 12 Apostles. 1000 times 12 is 12,000. That is the fulness of those children of God who are sealed. And of course, 12,000 times each tribe is 144,000. The perfect measured fulness of the house of God from all tribes, as also illustrated in the perfect City of Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:16

• "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."

Moreover, there are peculiarities that should readily alert us to the fact that this 144,000 is not the tribes of earthly Israel. First of all, we've seen symbolism all throughout Revelation, and why would God suddenly have this chapter to be curiously understood as a literal narrative, in the midst of all this symbolism? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Secondly, those sealed are said to be made up all the tribes of Israel, and yet all the literal tribes of Israel are not listed. This is because this is Spiritual Israel, an Israel in Christ, not the nation in the middle east. Period! When we examine the census carefully, we find there are significant differences from lists in other places in scripture.

Thirdly, the number 144,000 is 12000 times the 12 tribes, signifying the measured congregation of the Lord's Chosen. 12 is the number of the Church, both seen in the Old and New Covenant. And each tribe here has "exactly" 12,000 sealed, which is yet another indication of the spiritual signification, as also seen in the City of God.

Revelation 21:12-17

• "And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribesof the children of Israel:
• On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
• And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostlesof the Lamb.
• And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
• And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs.The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
• And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."

The City of God is not 12,000 furlongs by coincidence anymore than each tribe has 12,000 sealed by coincidence. The wall is not 144,000 cubits by coincidence anymore than those sealed of Israel are 144,000. These numbers are God ordained to signify the full measure of the Israel of God. This liberal use of the number 12 in Revelation illustrates this. Whether the 12 Apostles, the 12 tribes, the tree of life which bare 12 manner of fruit, the 12 gates, the 12 pearls, the 12 foundations, etc., these are spiritual significations of the fullness, for, and of, the body of believers. Not a literal city Jerusalem in the middle east, but a Spiritual Jerusalem in the Israel which is Christ. Not a worldly Israel, but a heavenly habitation of God.

You might mean the wall is not 144 cubits by coincidence there.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You might mean the wall is not 144 cubits by coincidence there.

These numbers are God ordained to signify the full measure of the Israel of God. Not measurement of actual stones of the city. Its PEOPLE. The New Jersualem is the BRIDE (people) of Christ. Not a physical wall of stones.

 

[Verily]

These numbers are God ordained to signify the full measure of the Israel of God. Not measurement of actual stones of the city. Its PEOPLE. The New Jersualem is the BRIDE (people) of Christ. Not a physical wall of stones.

You just had the number wrong, you care so much when others are wrong, i thought you'd want to correct that.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You just had the number wrong, you care so much when others are wrong, i thought you'd want to correct that.

Okay. I see now. My apologies. 144 cubits. It still applies to the 144,000 through.

Fixed. Thanks

 

[rwb]

I believe I was more than clear that these are end time evangelists chosen by God to preach the Good News for 3.5 years before His return. There is nothing wrong reconciliation needed - unless one is committed to your theory. Again, there are many very different interpretations and views on one of the most complex books in the Scriptures, and you are certainly entitled to yours. Thanks.

How do you prove from Scripture what you allege? Where can I find there will be 144,000 ethnically from all the tribes of the children of Israel chosen to be evangelists to preach the Good News for 3.5 years before the return of Christ? It's true I too have heard many different interpretations and views regarding the book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ. But if our interpretations and views cannot be reconciled through the Word, and in fact force contradictions into the Word of God, we are in error and our view must be discarded. I'm sorry, but your view does indeed force contradiction and cannot be reconciled through the Word of God.

 

[Verily]

Okay. I see now. My apologies. 144 cubits. It still applies to the 144,000 through.

You did that so graciously, I wasnt expecting that

 

[rwb]

There is nothing wrong reconciliation needed - unless one is committed to your theory.

Perhaps it is you CTK who is committed to your theory! Because truly that is all you have, making your doctrine to be in error.