Revelation 14:1 What is going on here?

[Douggg]

You are mistaken, your interpretation is incorrect. The text says "eastward" of God--not of Moses. The Author is not Moses, but God, and that is the context.

No, the text does not say eastward of God. Do a copy and paste from the translation you are using. I am quoting from the kjv.

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Where was Moses at the time he wrote down everything God revealed to him in Genesis ?

 

[quietthinker]

You are mistaken, your interpretation is incorrect. The text says "eastward" of God--not of Moses. The Author is not Moses, but God, and that is the context.

Did they have 'wards' in those days?...hmmmmm, I must be in the southward!

 

[ScottA]

No, the text does not say eastward of God. Do a copy and paste from the translation you are using. I am quoting from the kjv.

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Where was Moses at the time he wrote down everything God revealed to him in Genesis ?

You are not even seeing what you yourself have quoted.

It does not say, "And Moses planted a garden eastward in Eden." The setting is God and creation--not Moses in Egypt. You are confusing Moses' location with the fact that Eden is "eastward", meaning "before" God during His creation. Which is not to say "with" God, but as it is written "before" Him. Moses came later, didn't create Adam and place him in a garden, and wasn't even alive at the same time.

 

[A Freeman]

Revelation 14:1-4
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him (Matt. 12:30) an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth.
14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).

Revelation 7:4-9
7:4 And I HEARD the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
7:5 Of the tribe of Judah [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:6 Of the tribe of Asher [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph/Ephraim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could count (which is why he was told in verse 4), of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Matthew 7:13-14
7:13 Enter ye in at the "Strait" gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because Strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] The Way, which leadeth unto Life, and FEW there be that find it.

 

[Douggg]

It does not say, "And Moses planted a garden eastward in Eden." The setting is God and creation--not Moses in Egypt. You are confusing Moses' location with the fact that Eden is "eastward", meaning "before" God during His creation. Which is not to say "with" God, but as it is written "before" Him. Moses came later, didn't create Adam and place him in a garden, and wasn't even alive at the same time.

No one is saying that Moses planted a garden eastward in Eden. But Moses is the one who did write down what God revealed to him.

Do you agree or disagree ?

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Moses wrote down what we know as the book of Genesis. Moses was not allowed to enter the promise land. Eden was located eastward of the promised land.

Do a google search for "the garden of Eden map".

 

[ScottA]

No one is saying that Moses planted a garden eastward in Eden. But Moses is the one who did write down what God revealed to him.

Do you agree or disagree ?

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Moses wrote down what we know as the book of Genesis. Moses was not allowed to enter the promise land. Eden was located eastward of the promised land.

Do a google search for "the garden of Eden map".

That explains a lot: You have the wrong promise land...and the wrong Eden.

It is for this reason that Paul spoke of "correction" needs within the church.

 

[Timtofly]

Not sure if you understand that Revelation is indeed all symbolic, yet you continue to look for a literal translation....

This is Jesus and the 144k waiting in heaven, during the 42 months of the 8th kingdom, which are happening on earth.

In Revelation 13, these 144k and Jesus were defeated symbolically, because God was not done redeeming mankind, after Jesus was declared the 7th World Kingdom.

The 7th Kingdom only lasted 3.5 days.

If Jesus and the 144k are not waiting in heavenly Mount Zion at this point, then the winepress of God's wrath will happen the Sunday after the 7th Trumpet sounds.


There will be no 42 months of Mystery Babylon. There will be no third woe. There will be no 8th world wide kingdom, this short 42 months of abomination of desolation. Jesus and the 144k will not be defeated, and there will be no image placed as found in Revelation 13.

The reason why we are not told why, when, or how the 144k left earth and are waiting on Mount Zion is because this is not an exact prophecy, but an alternate scenario where Revelation 16 through 19 will now take place on the earth.

The narrative given was the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Then 3.5 days later the 144k are no longer on the earth but in heaven. They left on white horses, because in Revelation 19, they return on white horses.

Revelation 14 is two halves like Revelation 7. Including the same group of 144k.

In Revelation 7, the 144k are on earth sealed and redeemed, already removed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh, while the church is waiting in heaven, and accounted for in the last half of the 7th chapter.

The 144k are on earth with Jesus through the 7th Seal, the first 6 Trumpets, and then the 7 Thunders. This is the final harvest, and the 144k are on the earth during this harvest.


Now we see at the 7th Trumpet, Jesus should be the 7th and final earthly kingdom lasting the next 1000 years, while Satan is bound. But 3.5 days after the 7th Trumpet started to sound, the week is split in half, and the last 3.5 days are when the 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem per Revelation 11.

So the last half of Revelation 14, only takes place at the end of the 7 days of the 7th Trumpet, and the 144k would not be waiting on heavenly Mount Zion, but still on earth and the Millennial Kingdom would start at the end of the 14th chapter, thus chapters 15 through 19 would not even happen. Revelation 15 would not be necessary, because Israel would not have to wait on the sea of glass, but would enjoy Jerusalem for the next 1,000 years, and Satan's 42 months would never happen as the 3rd woe.

 

[CTK]

This is Jesus and the 144k waiting in heaven, during the 42 months of the 8th kingdom, which are happening on earth.

In Revelation 13, these 144k and Jesus were defeated symbolically, because God was not done redeeming mankind, after Jesus was declared the 7th World Kingdom.

The 7th Kingdom only lasted 3.5 days.

If Jesus and the 144k are not waiting in heavenly Mount Zion at this point, then the winepress of God's wrath will happen the Sunday after the 7th Trumpet sounds.


There will be no 42 months of Mystery Babylon. There will be no third woe. There will be no 8th world wide kingdom, this short 42 months of abomination of desolation. Jesus and the 144k will not be defeated, and there will be no image placed as found in Revelation 13.

The reason why we are not told why, when, or how the 144k left earth and are waiting on Mount Zion is because this is not an exact prophecy, but an alternate scenario where Revelation 16 through 19 will now take place on the earth.

The narrative given was the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Then 3.5 days later the 144k are no longer on the earth but in heaven. They left on white horses, because in Revelation 19, they return on white horses.

Revelation 14 is two halves like Revelation 7. Including the same group of 144k.

In Revelation 7, the 144k are on earth sealed and redeemed, already removed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh, while the church is waiting in heaven, and accounted for in the last half of the 7th chapter.

The 144k are on earth with Jesus through the 7th Seal, the first 6 Trumpets, and then the 7 Thunders. This is the final harvest, and the 144k are on the earth during this harvest.


Now we see at the 7th Trumpet, Jesus should be the 7th and final earthly kingdom lasting the next 1000 years, while Satan is bound. But 3.5 days after the 7th Trumpet started to sound, the week is split in half, and the last 3.5 days are when the 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem per Revelation 11.

So the last half of Revelation 14, only takes place at the end of the 7 days of the 7th Trumpet, and the 144k would not be waiting on heavenly Mount Zion, but still on earth and the Millennial Kingdom would start at the end of the 14th chapter, thus chapters 15 through 19 would not even happen. Revelation 15 would not be necessary, because Israel would not have to wait on the sea of glass, but would enjoy Jerusalem for the next 1,000 years, and Satan's 42 months would never happen as the 3rd woe.

I am sorry, I have absolutley no idea what you are talking about and do not know where these interpretations came from..... sorry.

 

[Verily]

I am sorry, I have absolutley no idea what you are talking about and do not know where these interpretations came from..... sorry.

The scriptures would be so helpful to know where someone is coming from , and when they arent used I havent a clue as to where they are getting their things from. Hear ya.

 

[Timtofly]

The scriptures would be so helpful to know where someone is coming from , and when they arent used I havent a clue as to where they are getting their things from. Hear ya.

I did point out the chapters in Revelation. You should probably read chapter 7, 13, and 14 to get the context.

Lazy people need the words spelled out in every post. People who study Scripture, should already know what those chapters say.

I thought everyone knew that Revelation 11:15 was the sounding of the 7th Trumpet, declaring Jesus as King of every nation?

 

[rebuilder 454]

But that doesn't tell us the interpretation behind these verses. God gave them all to us so we could read, study, interpret and appreciate how He has put together His plan of salvation for all mankind. Here is what I think... at this time... Chapter 13 reveals the events, spoken symbolically, that speak to the sea beast, the earth beast and the dragon that will take place at the end of time. Here is 14, I am expecting the exact same revealing from God but this time, from a heavenly perspective - the other side that will win out. The fact that the first few verses are all positive, they include those who have been sealed and saved versus those in chapter 13 who did not have the seal of God, there is certainly a lot to read, study and interpret and unpack. Hope you agree with this...

What nobody is telling you is that the 144000 are first fruits.
Any time you see first fruits. It has to do with harvest.
So, in other words, at this point, nobody has unpacked revelation, chapter 14.

 

[Verily]

I did point out the chapters in Revelation. You should probably read chapter 7, 13, and 14 to get the context.

Lazy people need the words spelled out in every post. People who study Scripture, should already know what those chapters say.

I thought everyone knew that Revelation 11:15 was the sounding of the 7th Trumpet, declaring Jesus as King of every nation?

Being lazy is not laying out your work. The apostles laid out their work, and not always with a chapter verse.

You can really do what you like, I learn more from those who show their labor in the word and show their own workmanship.