Revelation 10:4 - Do not write what you have heard...

[CTK]

In Revelation 10:4, John hears a voice from God the Father saying, " Now when the seven thunders [a]uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying https://biblehub.com/nkjv/revelation/10.htm#footnotesto me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”

Questions: Why is John being told to not write it down what he heard?
Since he did not write it down (at this time), do we find he has written it down in the later chapters of Revelation? Can we possibly recognize this even though it is not disclosed what he heard?

 

[Galgal]

"Lightning" means a striking historical event that occurred at a specific time in a specific place.
"Thunder" means the news of this event.
"The voice of thunder" means the meaning of this event in the biblical key.

"The Voices of the 7 Thunders" are 7 significant events in the history of Israel and the Church, which helped us to restore the sequence of the jubilee years of Israel, and which carry the meaning of the unity of Israel and the Church as one instrument in the hand of God.

1. 20th jubilee - the coincidence of Nehemiah's words about the need to return the lands to the Jews with the law of the jubilee year, dates back to 443 BC.

Restore, I pray you, to them, even this day, their lands, their vineyards, their oliveyards, and their houses, also the hundredth part of the money, and of the corn, the wine, and the oil, that ye exact of them. (Nehemiah 5:11)

2. 30th jubilee - the decree of the Apostolic Council in Jerusalem on the liberation of the Gentiles from the Mosaic law, 48 AD.

3. 37th jubilee - Decrees of Theodosius 389-392, the ban on paganism and the forced introduction of Christianity, the death of the Church.

4. 40th jubilee - Emperor Justinian builds the largest church, Hagia Sophia, "Solomon, I have surpassed you!", entombs the Body of Christ in the stone buildings of the official religion, 537.

5. 60th jubilee - Reformation: Luther published his 95 Theses in 1517, Zwingli began his sermons in 1519. This marked the disintegration of the body of the Church into many denominations.

6. 66th jubilee - A charismatic leader tried to conquer Russia: Napoleon's invasion. Napoleon can serve as a prototype of the Antichrist: he was loved by the people, Christians, and occupied a place in their hearts that should have belonged to Jesus Christ. Napoleon's invasion of Russia: 1812.

7. 67th jubilee - The end of serfdom in Russia (reform of Alexander II), liberation from slavery in the USA (beginning of the civil war). 1861. We see how the ideas of the Bible gradually gained strength and began to be embodied in increasingly large-scale historical phenomena.

So, the "voices of the seven thunders":

1. Return of the land to the Jews.
2. Freedom from the law to the Gentiles.
3. Death of the Church.
4. Burial of the Church.
5. Disintegration of the Church.
6. Collapse of the Antichrist.
7. Freedom for all people.

More details about this in the forum thread: The Voices of the Seven Thunders and the Death of the Two Witnesses

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[ScottA]

In Revelation 10:4, John hears a voice from God the Father saying, " Now when the seven thunders [a]uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying Revelation 10 NKJVto me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”

Questions: Why is John being told to not write it down what he heard?
Since he did not write it down (at this time), do we find he has written it down in the later chapters of Revelation? Can we possibly recognize this even though it is not disclosed what he heard?

Because the mystery of God purposely would not come until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. But no, John did not write it down ever, but was shown a preview of what was reserved until the time of the end. Recognizing what John saw was defined as "the finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets", and "time no longer." When you see it, know that the time is at hand.

 

[Verily]

He probably heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter

 

[CTK]

Because the mystery of God purposely would not come until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. But no, John did not write it down ever, but was shown a preview of what was reserved until the time of the end. Recognizing what John saw was defined as "the finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets", and "time no longer." When you see it, know that the time is at hand.

So you are saying that the time of the Gentiles has not yet come? Who are the trees, the grass and the green things that are / have been mentioned before this chapter? If satan and his demons have symbolically already been released from the abyss to do their damage, don't you think the Gentiles will be attacked? Don't you think these events come after the first 6 churches have been on the earth and we are now in the time of the Laodicea church? Would you think that the Trumpet warnings that already have been sounded included the warnings to both Jew and Gentile? When in your timeline does the time of the Gentiles end? At the end of the seals, at the end of the Trumpets or somewhere in between? Have you noticed the word "again" in 10:11, meaning perhaps that is the future - near future since not much time is left, that God will allow us to see and understand what these 7 thunders are saying? This is probably a relatively short list of questions that could be asked of just these few verses about the 7 thunders and their relationship to the book of Daniel - specifically the second vision in Chapter 8 where Daniel was also told not to write it down when just 3 years earlier, he received his first vision in chapter 7 and was told to write it down. Do you know why Daniel was told not to write it down in chapter 8? Well, it is important and I believe so will be the 7 thunders should we be able to identify it in the later chapters of revelation.

 

[grafted branch]

In Revelation 10:4, John hears a voice from God the Father saying, " Now when the seven thunders [a]uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying Revelation 10 NKJVto me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”

Questions: Why is John being told to not write it down what he heard?
Since he did not write it down (at this time), do we find he has written it down in the later chapters of Revelation? Can we possibly recognize this even though it is not disclosed what he heard?

Here’s some notes I have on the seven thunders …

In Revelation 10:1-2 the mighty angel is on earth when he cries out with the loud voice because he comes down from heaven and has one foot on the sea and the other on earth. After this angel cries, the seven thunders utter their voices. It would seem that the seven thunders are on earth or sea or perhaps both earth and sea when they utter their voices because another voice comes from heaven and tells John not to write it down. John appears to be with the mighty angel on the earth and sea which is why he states the voice came from heaven, meaning that voice came from a place where John was not, otherwise John would’ve just stated he heard a voice if he was in heaven. Based on this it’s reasonable to conclude that the voice of the seven thunders was uttered at the same location of the mighty angel and where John was because he didn’t declare they came from heaven or any other place.

What the seven thunders uttered is sealed. In Revelation 12:3 the dragon has seven heads and in Revelation 20:2-3 the dragon, serpent which is the devil and Satan has a seal put upon him. It is possible that the seven thunders were uttered from the seven heads of the dragon.

In Amos 3:7 it says Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Since the seven thunders are sealed and have not been written down, if their voices are Godly then what they said will have to be revealed. If the voices are satanic then they will not have to be revealed.

From Revelation 22:18, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. If the what the seven thunders uttered is revealed to a person and that person declares it to other Christians, then I would say it would be considered as adding to the prophecies by most people which would mean the plagues are added to whomever the thunders are revealed to.

This problem is solved if the thunders are from Satan. The seal is put on Satan in Revelation 20:3 and there is no specific declaration of that seal being removed, only that Satan is loosed. This would allow what the thunders uttered to never be known.

 

[Truth7t7]

In Revelation 10:4, John hears a voice from God the Father saying, " Now when the seven thunders [a]uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying Revelation 10 NKJVto me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”

Questions: Why is John being told to not write it down what he heard?
Since he did not write it down (at this time), do we find he has written it down in the later chapters of Revelation? Can we possibly recognize this even though it is not disclosed what he heard?

Daniel 12:4KJV
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

[CTK]

Here’s some notes I have on the seven thunders …

In Revelation 10:1-2 the mighty angel is on earth when he cries out with the loud voice because he comes down from heaven and has one foot on the sea and the other on earth. After this angel cries, the seven thunders utter their voices. It would seem that the seven thunders are on earth or sea or perhaps both earth and sea when they utter their voices because another voice comes from heaven and tells John not to write it down. John appears to be with the mighty angel on the earth and sea which is why he states the voice came from heaven, meaning that voice came from a place where John was not, otherwise John would’ve just stated he heard a voice if he was in heaven. Based on this it’s reasonable to conclude that the voice of the seven thunders was uttered at the same location of the mighty angel and where John was because he didn’t declare they came from heaven or any other place.

What the seven thunders uttered is sealed. In Revelation 12:3 the dragon has seven heads and in Revelation 20:2-3 the dragon, serpent which is the devil and Satan has a seal put upon him. It is possible that the seven thunders were uttered from the seven heads of the dragon.

In Amos 3:7 it says Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Since the seven thunders are sealed and have not been written down, if their voices are Godly then what they said will have to be revealed. If the voices are satanic then they will not have to be revealed.

From Revelation 22:18, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. If the what the seven thunders uttered is revealed to a person and that person declares it to other Christians, then I would say it would be considered as adding to the prophecies by most people which would mean the plagues are added to whomever the thunders are revealed to.

This problem is solved if the thunders are from Satan. The seal is put on Satan in Revelation 20:3 and there is no specific declaration of that seal being removed, only that Satan is loosed. This would allow what the thunders uttered to never be known.

That was some deep thinking! Is there anything you have found in the post chapter 11 chapters that you could think might point to what John heard but was told not to write down? This is a tough one. Great stuff.

 

[CTK]

Daniel 12:4KJV
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

What does that tell us? What about the verse in chapter 8:26 of Daniel that also tells us to seal up the vision? Before the end of the book of Daniel is the vision revealed to us? Does 8:26 speak to the end times or to the time of the end of the 70 weeks of years prophecy?

What is the meaning or purpose for God telling John not to write it down?

 

[grafted branch]

That was some deep thinking! Is there anything you have found in the post chapter 11 chapters that you could think might point to what John heard but was told not to write down? This is a tough one. Great stuff.

I haven’t found anything that would point to what the seven thunders uttered.

It is interesting to note that in Revelation 22:10 it says seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book. I would say that whatever the thunders said, it wouldn’t be considered “sayings of the prophecy”. It could be that what the thunders said was revealed elsewhere in Revelation but I haven’t heard of anyone that has made that claim.

 

[Douggg]

In Revelation 10:4, John hears a voice from God the Father saying, " Now when the seven thunders [a]uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying Revelation 10 NKJVto me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”

Questions: Why is John being told to not write it down what he heard?
Since he did not write it down (at this time), do we find he has written it down in the later chapters of Revelation? Can we possibly recognize this even though it is not disclosed what he heard?

The voices of the seven thunders likely uttered the names of the beast and the false prophet in whatever they said.

So that is likely part of the reason John was told not to write down what the seven thunders said.

We don't know for sure, why.

 

[ScottA]

So you are saying that the time of the Gentiles has not yet come? Who are the trees, the grass and the green things that are / have been mentioned before this chapter? If satan and his demons have symbolically already been released from the abyss to do their damage, don't you think the Gentiles will be attacked? Don't you think these events come after the first 6 churches have been on the earth and we are now in the time of the Laodicea church? Would you think that the Trumpet warnings that already have been sounded included the warnings to both Jew and Gentile? When in your timeline does the time of the Gentiles end? At the end of the seals, at the end of the Trumpets or somewhere in between? Have you noticed the word "again" in 10:11, meaning perhaps that is the future - near future since not much time is left, that God will allow us to see and understand what these 7 thunders are saying? This is probably a relatively short list of questions that could be asked of just these few verses about the 7 thunders and their relationship to the book of Daniel - specifically the second vision in Chapter 8 where Daniel was also told not to write it down when just 3 years earlier, he received his first vision in chapter 7 and was told to write it down. Do you know why Daniel was told not to write it down in chapter 8? Well, it is important and I believe so will be the 7 thunders should we be able to identify it in the later chapters of revelation.

No, the times of the gentiles began when Jesus was "finished" with "the house of Israel", ascended to the Father, and then ("Behold, I stand at the door and knock") began to return at Pentecost to the "other fold" of the gentiles, which He said He "must also bring." The end of the time of the gentiles comes at "the sounding of the seventh angel", and "time [is] no longer."

As for Daniel Chapter 8...did you mean Revelation Chapter 10 where John was told "do not write?" John was told not to write, 1) because what he saw was already written in the "little book", and 2) It was to be sealed until just before "time no longer" when it would be revealed when "the seventh angel is about to sound" which "finish the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets" since the beginning. Which, yes, Daniel also was told that things would be sealed until the time of the end.

 

[IronMaiden]

In Revelation 10:4, John hears a voice from God the Father saying, " Now when the seven thunders [a]uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying Revelation 10 NKJVto me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”

Questions: Why is John being told to not write it down what he heard?
Since he did not write it down (at this time), do we find he has written it down in the later chapters of Revelation? Can we possibly recognize this even though it is not disclosed what he heard?

I think it’s because by the time the seven thunders sound, it will be too late, so why even write them down? If the lightning has already occurred, the thunder that you hear is just a record of what has already happened (in other words, the sixth trump has already sounded and the Antichrist has already done his abominations). Before the lightning strikes, we should already know the prophecies given to us by God of all that will happen in this final generation. If we are not ready for the lightning to strike, if we do not have the truth firmly planted in our minds before the seven thunders sound (the seventh trump), it will be too late. You’ve been deceived.

 

[Timtofly]

So you are saying that the time of the Gentiles has not yet come?

That is not what was posted:

Because the mystery of God purposely would not come until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.

The church is being fulfilled in the Gentile Nations, still to this day. The time came in the first century. The time of the Gentiles is fulfilled at the Second Coming. Full stop: there is no church on the earth after the 5th Seal.

The Second Coming is the 5th and 6th Seal events.

The 7 Thunders were not written down, because they do not apply to Israel nor the church. They take place after the church and Israel have been removed. They cover the events of Matthew 13, and the wheat and tares being sown by Satan and Jesus at the same time after Jesus is on the earth with His angels. There will be open competition between Satan and Jesus. Satan tempted Jesus, but no NT writings claimed Satan was actively working out in the open, other than Satan was constantly being cast out of the heavenly area as the Prince of this world.

After the 7th Seal, and according to the woes of the 5th and 6th Trumpets, Satan is allowed to release those rebel angels held in chains of darkness.

The 7 Thunders happen between the 6th and 7th Trumpets. But Israel has already been gathered and placed on the sea of glass to be removed from harms way. Only the 144k are on earth with Jesus during this time, as they are impervious to any harm.

 

[CTK]

That is not what was posted:


The church is being fulfilled in the Gentile Nations, still to this day. The time came in the first century. The time of the Gentiles is fulfilled at the Second Coming. Full stop: there is no church on the earth after the 5th Seal.

The Second Coming is the 5th and 6th Seal events.

The 7 Thunders were not written down, because they do not apply to Israel nor the church. They take place after the church and Israel have been removed. They cover the events of Matthew 13, and the wheat and tares being sown by Satan and Jesus at the same time after Jesus is on the earth with His angels. There will be open competition between Satan and Jesus. Satan tempted Jesus, but no NT writings claimed Satan was actively working out in the open, other than Satan was constantly being cast out of the heavenly area as the Prince of this world.

After the 7th Seal, and according to the woes of the 5th and 6th Trumpets, Satan is allowed to release those rebel angels held in chains of darkness.

The 7 Thunders happen between the 6th and 7th Trumpets. But Israel has already been gathered and placed on the sea of glass to be removed from harms way. Only the 144k are on earth with Jesus during this time, as they are impervious to any harm.

I don’t know all about that since I have yet to get to those chapters… but again, what were you saying to my response? Made no sense to me … so please tell me what was that all about. It was clear you reacted in some way.. but I couldn’t make any sense out of it….

 

[ScottA]

The church is being fulfilled in the Gentile Nations, still to this day. The time came in the first century. The time of the Gentiles is fulfilled at the Second Coming. Full stop: there is no church on the earth after the 5th Seal.

The Second Coming is the 5th and 6th Seal events.

The 7 Thunders were not written down, because they do not apply to Israel nor the church. They take place after the church and Israel have been removed. They cover the events of Matthew 13, and the wheat and tares being sown by Satan and Jesus at the same time after Jesus is on the earth with His angels. There will be open competition between Satan and Jesus. Satan tempted Jesus, but no NT writings claimed Satan was actively working out in the open, other than Satan was constantly being cast out of the heavenly area as the Prince of this world.

After the 7th Seal, and according to the woes of the 5th and 6th Trumpets, Satan is allowed to release those rebel angels held in chains of darkness.

The 7 Thunders happen between the 6th and 7th Trumpets. But Israel has already been gathered and placed on the sea of glass to be removed from harms way. Only the 144k are on earth with Jesus during this time, as they are impervious to any harm.

Thanks, but you have that all quite jumbled (not just you--nothing personal, but these things have been unknown to all except His servants the prophets, until now).

There is actually no timeline of events to these matters, as the events pertain to things on high. Which only then result in this world and times--but occur during every generation and time from beginning to end. The seventh seal is the only exception, as it is heaven based and heaven occurring, and the commencement of God's rest/eternal life, and "time no longer."

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In Revelation 10:4, John hears a voice from God the Father saying, " Now when the seven thunders [a]uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying Revelation 10 NKJVto me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”

Questions: Why is John being told to not write it down what he heard?
Since he did not write it down (at this time), do we find he has written it down in the later chapters of Revelation? Can we possibly recognize this even though it is not disclosed what he heard?

NOPE!

 

[CTK]

NOPE!

11And [d]he said to me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.”

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

In Revelation 10:4, John hears a voice from God the Father saying, " Now when the seven thunders [a]uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying Revelation 10 NKJVto me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”

Questions: Why is John being told to not write it down what he heard?
Since he did not write it down (at this time), do we find he has written it down in the later chapters of Revelation? Can we possibly recognize this even though it is not disclosed what he heard?

It has to do with the mystery that will be revealed when the 7th trumpet is blown.
"But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”Rev. 10:7

What happens when the 7th angel blows.
Rev. 11:15-19

Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:

“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come,
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail."

He swallowed the scroll which was bitter/sweet, (wonderful and terrible) things happen.
The 7th Trumpet releases the 7 Bowls of wrath, so that is bitter.
I believe this is the last trumpet, the one that "in a twinkling of an eye we are changed. (1 Thes. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 15:52)
We are resurrected, the kingdoms of the world become the Lord's, heaven is opened, saints are rewarded, the dead are resurrected and judged as well.

What is the mystery?
We will see Jesus face to face and receive our resurrected bodies like His and finally know what we will be like and see heaven.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

11And [d]he said to me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.”

doesn't mean it has anything to do with what he was forbidden to write