Are the words given by the Seven Thunders still sealed?

[ewq1938]

The seven thunders aren't just thunder either, per se, but are voices.

Doesn't sound like they come from 7 beings speaking loudly either. One angel speaks, and then the voices of 7 thunders are heard. I wonder if this is like an echo from the one voice.

but they sound like thunder to the indiscernible ear.

Rev 10:3 KJV And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

It also seems like this is the 7th angel, the last one with a trump.

Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
Rev 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[The PuP]

Doesn't sound like they come from 7 beings speaking loudly either. One angel speaks, and then the voices of 7 thunders are heard. I wonder if this is like an echo from the one voice.




It also seems like this is the 7th angel, the last one with a trump.

Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
Rev 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

1Thess4 gives us a detailed account of the thunder pertaining to the Resurrection and redemption of the body of Christ.

1Th 4:16-17 KJV 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 10 says that it is a mighty, or very powerful angel, i.e. ,an arch angel that cries with a loud voice... which is a shout. When does this take place? In immediate conjunction with the sounding of the 1st Trumpet... the trump of God.
Rev 8:2-6 KJV 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were VOICES, and THUNDERINGS, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

What happens? The Mighty Angel bridges the gap [the impassable Gulf between the land of the living and [the spirits of those who have died] that stands between earth and the crystal sea.
Where do they go? Back to heaven to be with the Lord while the remaining judgments of the trumpets and vials take place, thence to return with the Lord Jesus in Rev 19.

The 4th thunder is when the last trumpet sounds. Found within that account [7th Trumpet] is:
1. The judgment of the dead,
2. Giving reward to the prophets and saints, (righteous ones)
3. The visible kingdom of God.[on earth comes] becomes the kingdom of God and his Christ.
4. The [last] 7th trumpet sounds.
5. The mystery of the resurrection becomes a reality to the rest of the world.

All of these things are also laid out by Paul in 1COR15 when the kingdom is inherited.

1Co 15:50-53 KJV 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Jesus said that the world would witness Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and many others [of the resurrection] coming from the east and west to sit down in the kingdom of heaven, while the remnant children of the kingdom are cast out.

Mat 8:11-12 KJV 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The mystery of the resurrection will no longer be a mystery when the 7th trumpet sounds.

Rev 10:7 KJV But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[ewq1938]

Rev 10 says that it is a mighty, or very powerful angel, i.e. ,an arch angel that cries with a loud voice... which is a shout. When does this take place? In immediate conjunction with the sounding of the 1st Trumpet... the trump of God.

No. By the time the angel cries with a loud voice, 6 of the trumps had already sounded. The only one left is the 7th trump, which is the trump of God associated with the second coming, not the 1st trump.

 

[The PuP]

No. By the time the angel cries with a loud voice, 6 of the trumps had already sounded. The only one left is the 7th trump, which is the trump of God associated with the second coming, not the 1st trump.

I gave to you the seven places where thunder is mentioned in Revelation, outside of Rev 10. It is up to you to believe that it is not a one time event that occurs when the 7th trumpet sounds. Otherwise, it is out of placement in conjunction of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet...where It should be placed after, and not before.
Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[ewq1938]

I gave to you the seven places where thunder is mentioned in Revelation, outside of Rev 10. It is up to you to believe that it is not a one time event that occurs when the 7th trumpet sounds. Otherwise, it is out of placement in conjunction of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet...where It should be placed after, and not before.
Be Blessed
The PuP

The angel speaks, and there are 7 thunders. This happens before the 7th angel sounds.

My thoughts are the 7 thunders might be echoes of what the angel said loudly, and that the angel with the 7th trump may be that same angel.

 

[Hobie]

The seven thunders aren't just thunder either, per se, but are voices. but they sound like thunder to the indiscernible ear.

Rev 10:3 KJV And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

True, Revelation is being unveiled to you my brother, they are voices uttering real words that give prophecy which God has held back till now. Even Daniel had words that he could not understand that would be unveil and understood at the end.
Daniel 12:8-9
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Revelation 10:3-4
And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

After these seven thunders uttered their voices, the injunction comes to John as to Daniel when he is told "sealed till the time of the end." as to John, “Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered.” These relate to end time events which happen when we hear the second angel proclaim "Babylon is fallen, is fallen" and going into the third angel and his message of the wrath of God on those who "worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand.."

Revelation 14:1-8
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[ScottA]

You did speculate. If the seven thunders speak of a future tribulation and mystery of God that is revealed just before the end then that is prophetic.

If someone spoke of two tall buildings collapsing by being stuck by flying metal objects which had people in them in the year 500 AD, that would’ve been prophetic.

Without speculating, how is it the seven thunders uttered words about future events without them being prophetic

Again, no, I did not speculate. Nor did I say or mean that what the seven thunders uttered was not prophetic.

Sorry, I didn't get back to you sooner, I was out of the country.

The words of the seven thunders was a recounting of the events of Joshua leading Israel seven times around Jericho, which was first foreshadowed by the seven days of creation, each of which was prophetic and ending just before the end and the sounding of the seventh angel.

This thread is likely confusing what has been occurring "here a little there a little" all down through the ages with what is uttered "as to His servants the prophets" (Revelation 10:7), with the revelation at the end, which is the contents of the "little book" given by the seventh angel (also sealed at that time) previewed by John (Revelation 10:7-11). The contents was indeed sealed, but now is revealed, an event which was also referred to by Paul who declared would be "restrained, until He who restrains is taken out of the way" (2 Thessalonians 2:7). This is that time.

 

[ewq1938]

True, Revelation is being unveiled to you my brother, they are voices uttering real words that give prophecy which God has held back till now. Even Daniel had words that he could not understand that would be unveil and understood at the end.
Daniel 12:8-9
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Revelation 10:3-4
And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

After these seven thunders uttered their voices, the injunction comes to John as to Daniel when he is told "sealed till the time of the end." as to John, “Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered.”

The difference being one was to be unsealed at the end, the other was not said to ever be revealed.

 

[Hobie]

The difference being one was to be unsealed at the end, the other was not said to ever be revealed.

Well, I have gone over that with much thought and God would not give us prophecy that will never be revealed, as that would be a waste of words to say nothing of prophecy and God does not do that. He gives it to us so that we may know and discern, so it shall all be unveiled in good time before Christ comes so that we shall be prepared.

 

[ewq1938]

Well, I have gone over that with much thought and God would not give us prophecy that will never be revealed

Clearly what was said is not prophecy and is not revealed. Nowhere in the book does it say what the thunders said would be given. Jesus did so many things it would fill books but we are not told about any of those things.

 

[Hobie]

Clearly what was said is not prophecy and is not revealed. Nowhere in the book does it say what the thunders said would be given. Jesus did so many things it would fill books but we are not told about any of those things.

Will just have to agree to disagree on that my brother, as I believe what was given has been unveiled through the Spirit of Prophecy.