Reasons why the Jehovah’s Witness religion is false (Despite my love for them as human beings)

[Aunty Jane]

With all of the martyring o these men during this period – it was anything BUT smooth.

As doctrine develops and doesn’t simply fall out of the sky – there were years of spirited debating and ultimate agreement.

Not while the apostles were still alive…..they were the “go to“ for ending all disputes including the circumcision debate. Once settled, it was not raised again. It didn’t take years to settle…it was dealt with promptly….and I see no indication that there were still dissenters after their reply to the issue.

Spirited debating is settled when one side is found to have the better argument and more substantive evidence…..this better argument was made by the apostles…..what happened once they were gone? We can see very clearly the descent into outright apostasy…..and continued to descend thereafter…for years.

Eusebius didn’t adopt paganism – just as Jesus, who “associated” with sinners and prostitutes didn’t adopt their ways.

He was complicit with Constantine’s agenda….Jesus was never complicit with the sinners he preached to. He was actually sent to “the lost sheep” and not to their negligent shepherds. They were worth saving…their unrepentant shepherds were not. (Matt 23:33)

As for the Apostles - they didn’t have everything “figured out” in the First century. If they didn’t – they would never have had the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 to determine how to deal with doctrinal issues brought on by the Judaizers.

They dealt with issues as they arose and as I mentioned before, it did not take them years to rectify a dispute. If dissention arose, it was dealt with under their God-given authority. The very same God-given authority that the Father conferred on his son. (Matt 28:18)

Almost every quote from the ECFs contains referenced to Scripture.

Even the devil can quote scripture.

YOUR notion that they plucked their teachings solely from philosophy is a comically-ignorant blunder.

It’s only comical to one indoctrinated with Catholic teachings, anciently acquired and taught under threat of hell for centuries….do Catholic people never question the things they are taught…or are they scared to? Intelligent ones question everything, and when they smell something fishy, they start asking the difficult questions….like the ones no Catholic here has even attempted to answer.…not even you, who claims to be scripturally knowledgeable.

Again – when you make Scripturally-bankrupt statements like this – you only embarrass yourself . . .

LOL….why aren’t Catholic people aware of how Scripturally bankrupt they are? You are not able to answer any questions about your faith without a catechism. All the difficult questions remain unanswered.
I know who should be embarrassed….

Jesus NEVER forbade the use of the term “Father”. He forbade the idea that you would consider any man “Father” above our Father in Heaven. He said the same thing about the word “Teacher” (Matt. 23L8).

He said to call no man your “Father” in a spiritual sense, which you cannot deny in addressing your pope as “holy Father”…..in was never about phileal relationships.

And teachers could not rise above scripture to introduce doctrines as if they came from God. In that sense they could not be “teachers” of what Christ never taught.

HOWEVER, the Word of God tells us:
- “You shall honor your FATHER and mother.” (Acts 30:12)
- Jesus said, “Your FATHER Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).
- Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham," (Acts 7:2).
- Paul speaks of "our FATHER Isaac” (Romans 9:10).
- For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

Phileal.…denoting a level of relationship pictured in the very relationship of Jesus to his God and Father.
Why are they called “Father” and “son” if that was not their relationship as understood by earth bound humans?

"For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a TEACHER of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7).
- "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and TEACHER" (2 Tim. 1:11).
- "God has appointed in the church first Apostles, second prophets, third TEACHERS" (1 Cor. 12:28).

God appointed….not man appointed….big difference.

The Watchtower is the source of lies and false prophecy . . .

That is probably exactly what men would say if Jesus returned tomorrow and showed the world who were accepted as his own…it’s not the label wearers…even among my own brotherhood…it’s those who accept the truth of the Bible and do not deviate from it just because the majority have defected with the apostate church system…who all teach the same lies and false religious ideas…..these came from Catholicism, not from the Bible.

Russel and his Watchtower cult made FALSE prophecies of Jesus’s Second Coming in 1878, 1881, 1914, 1918 and 1925. That’s at least FIVE false prophecies righy there.
All it takes is ONE false prophecy to make a false prophet . . .

Actually it was the same prophesy every time….we just got the timing wrong as the apostles themselves did in the first century when Jesus was departing…..they wanted to know, as Jews, whether he was going to establish his kingdom over Israel, then and there…..he told them to wait in Jerusalem and the holy spirit would give them what they needed to know…..(Acts 1:6-8)

We too have learned to wait because even though knowing the timing of this event would be good to know….in keeping it a secret (even from the son in earlier times. Matt 24:36) No one will be able to jump on board the figurative ‘ark’ just before it pours.

Jesus is poised as we speak to obey his Father’s command to pass judgment on the sheep and the goats. Are we ready? (Matt 24:43-44)

The “wolves in sheep’s clothing are those – like the Watchtower, who lead people astray with their false teachings (Matt. 7:15-19).

Or they infiltrated the church exactly when Jesus and his apostles said they would…..the “sheep suit“ donned by those “wolves” must have been a good replica for so many to be guided down the wrong road for such a long time. (Matt7:13-14)

A couple of things I can always count on from your long, verbose word salads are –
a. You don’t know the meaning of a “concise” response
b. You Church “history” leaves MUCH to be desired

Salads are good for you provided that you chew them well, and have a healthy gut to digest them.
I am not good at “concise”. The Bible is a big book, not easily condensed to 50 words or less.…I love details because they add to what is already known, if you bother to put in the effort to read them.

You are a fine one to talk about church history…….who can read the history of Roman Catholicism and sift through their false teachings without cringing? You really do live in a bubble, don’t you…?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Maybe members who want to discuss these issues could ask the mods if there could be a section where these topics could be discussed again. Maybe an unorthodox section or something like that.

You are already in it…..
The topic was banned because some hot heads could not discuss things in a civil way…..but ban the hot heads, not the topic if it is in the appropriate forum….just my opinion.

 

[RLT63]

You are already in it…..
The topic was banned because some hot heads could not discuss things in a civil way…..but ban the hot heads, not the topic if it is in the appropriate forum….just my opinion.

Oh, yeah I tend to agree.

 

[RedFan]

How do I handle these things? I simply ask myself if these details are earth shattering contradictions or whether they are minor mistakes in the detail that has been handed down through the centuries by the hands of men. The original scriptures were inspired of God, written by the hand of those he inspired….but in none of your issues here do I see any reason to doubt the Bible’s overall narrative….God’s message to the human race is not altered one iota by any of those apparent discrepancies.

If you think so, then you are either easily distracted by minor details, or you have not digested the Bible’s message as a whole.

Can I ask if you have a “big picture” concerning the Bible’s one story? The one that starts in Genesis and ends in Revelation?

What was God’s purpose in our creation “in the beginning”? And how does he address the situation caused by the rebellion in Eden because both angelic and human children were involved? What did he do to implement a strategy, to not only deal with that situation, but to make sure that he created precedents so that it could never happen again…..neither in heaven nor on earth?
What is the role of the redeemer? And what are the mechanics of that role that Jesus could fulfill, but that the Father could not?
What conclusion does the Revelation give us, that brings us back to what we lost in Eden?

Are these things clear in your mind?

See my post #533.

 

[Aunty Jane]

See my post #533.

Sorry, missed that one, wasn’t addressed to me....but our answers seem to mesh to a degree anyway...no biggie.

You did not give me your big picture.....can you elaborate ?

 

[TheHC]

This is a closed topic not open for discussion

Thanks for letting me know.

Best wishes.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not while the apostles were still alive…..they were the “go to“ for ending all disputes including the circumcision debate. Once settled, it was not raised again. It didn’t take years to settle…it was dealt with promptly….and I see no indication that there were still dissenters after their reply to the issue.

Spirited debating is settled when one side is found to have the better argument and more substantive evidence…..this better argument was made by the apostles…..what happened once they were gone? We can see very clearly the descent into outright apostasy…..and continued to descend thereafter…for years.

You don’t know the Scriptures very well.
Time for another Bible Lesson . . .

When Jesus sent out the Seventy-two – He instructed them:
Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

These weren’t the Apostles, but part of His inner circle. After Jesus ascended to Heaven, these men were dispersed throughout the many cities and countries as Bishops of the Church. They and the Apstles were given the power to declare doctrine in unison by Jesus Himself.

WHO do you think declared the Canon of Scripture in 383AD at the Council of Rome – and again at the Councils of Hippo(393) and Carthage (397)??
It certainly WASN’T the Watchtower Society . . .

By the way – FALSE doctrines like Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide were invented by your Protestant Fathers in the 16th century.
Charles Taze Russell just took Protestantism to a more perverse and more heterodox level.

He was complicit with Constantine’s agenda….Jesus was never complicit with the sinners he preached to. He was actually sent to “the lost sheep” and not to their negligent shepherds. They were worth saving…their unrepentant shepherds were not. (Matt 23:33)

Ummmm, Constantine didn’t remain a pagan. Probably in large part due to the prayers of his mother, St. Helena, he eventually converted.

They dealt with issues as they arose and as I mentioned before, it did not take them years to rectify a dispute. If dissention arose, it was dealt with under their God-given authority. The very same God-given authority that the Father conferred on his son. (Matt 28:18)

And the Popes and Bishops of later centuries dealt with issues as they arose. That’s WHY we have the Church Councils that dealt with heresies like Arianism, Nestorianism and a host of other issues over the centuries.

As I already educated you – it wasn’t the Apostles who declared the Canon of Scripture.
It was their SUCCESSORS . .

Even the devil can quote scripture.

Yes – even the founder of your cult, Charles Taze Russell . . .

It’s only comical to one indoctrinated with Catholic teachings, anciently acquired and taught under threat of hell for centuries….do Catholic people never question the things they are taught…or are they scared to? Intelligent ones question everything, and when they smell something fishy, they start asking the difficult questions….like the ones no Catholic here has even attempted to answer.…not even you, who claims to be scripturally knowledgeable.

LOL….why aren’t Catholic people aware of how Scripturally bankrupt they are? You are not able to answer any questions about your faith without a catechism. All the difficult questions remain unanswered.
I know who should be embarrassed….

Complete nonsense.

I’ve NEVER rub from ANY question. ANY educated Catholic on this forum can make minced meat of your arguments using only the Bible.
Don’t add blatant LIES to your MANY errors . . .

Exod. 20:16
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor

He said to call no man your “Father” in a spiritual sense, which you cannot deny in addressing your pope as “holy Father”…..in was never about phileal relationships.

And teachers could not rise above scripture to introduce doctrines as if they came from God. In that sense they could not be “teachers” of what Christ never taught.

Once again, einstein – he only forbade referring to a man as “Father” and “Teacher” ABOVE our Father and Teacher in Heaven. I pretty much destroyed your argument with Scripture . . .

Phileal.…denoting a level of relationship pictured in the very relationship of Jesus to his God and Father.
Why are they called “Father” and “son” if that was not their relationship as understood by earth bound humans?

Jesus HAS a Father. The Father HAS a Son.

The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Fathe AND the Son, shoing that they are GOD.
Luke 24:49
And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

John 16:15
ALL THAT THE FATHER HAS IS MINE; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

God appointed….not man appointed….big difference.

God speaks through His CHURCH (Luke 10:16).

That is probably exactly what men would say if Jesus returned tomorrow and showed the world who were accepted as his own…it’s not the label wearers…even among my own brotherhood…it’s those who accept the truth of the Bible and do not deviate from it just because the majority have defected with the apostate church system…who all teach the same lies and false religious ideas…..these came from Catholicism, not from the Bible.

They came from the Protestant Revolt and all of its descendants therein – Christian and quasi-Christian like yours . . .

Actually it was the same prophesy every time….we just got the timing wrong

And, as I stated before - all it takes is ONE false prophecy to make a false prophet . . .

as the apostles themselves did in the first century when Jesus was departing…..they wanted to know, as Jews, whether he was going to establish his kingdom over Israel, then and there…..he told them to wait in Jerusalem and the holy spirit would give them what they needed to know…..(Acts 1:6-8)

That’s because the Apostles had NOT yet been filled with the Holy Spirit. – just lke YOUR cult.

We too have learned to wait because even though knowing the timing of this event would be good to know….in keeping it a secret (even from the son in earlier times. Matt 24:36) No one will be able to jump on board the figurative ‘ark’ just before it pours.

Jesus is poised as we speak to obey his Father’s command to pass judgment on the sheep and the goats. Are we ready? (Matt 24:43-44)

Those of us who follow Christ and have the Holy Spirit to guide us to ALL truth (John 16:12-15) didn’t have to “learn” to wait.

We wait because HE told us to.

 

[BreadOfLife]

continued . . .

Or they infiltrated the church exactly when Jesus and his apostles said they would…..the “sheep suit“ donned by those “wolves” must have been a good replica for so many to be guided down the wrong road for such a long time. (Matt7:13-14)

There were wolves at the time. History and the Bible shows us that these were groups like the Gnostic Heretics. In the early centuries, there were also the Arians, Nestorians, Manicheans, Montanists and others. Now, we have Watchtower Society, “Onesness” Pentecostals, Christadelphians, Unitarians, etc.

Christ’s Catholic church has remained steadfast.

Salads are good for you provided that you chew them well, and have a healthy gut to digest them.
I am not good at “concise”. The Bible is a big book, not easily condensed to 50 words or less.…I love details because they add to what is already known, if you bother to put in the effort to read them.

You are a fine one to talk about church history…….who can read the history of Roman Catholicism and sift through their false teachings without cringing? You really do live in a bubble, don’t you…?

You’re not good at “concise” because you need verbose word salads in an effort to confuse your opponent by changing the subject time and again.

If you actually knew what you were talking about, you could get it out in just a few sentences.

 

[Jack]

You will find out my words are 100% fact.

I remember, you said "Jesus is ONLY with JW's".

 

[Jack]

No God does not have that. A mistranslated Greek word=Proskenaue, by Catholicism to fit false council teachings has worship being given to one who has a God-- It has 5 different meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God--2) obeisance to a king--3)Honor to a judge, plus 2 others. Every bible writer knew 100% the Messiah has a God-Psalm 45:7) they know 100% God does not have a God, thus in reality put Obeisance to Gods appointed king. Catholicism=2Thess 2:3 screwed it all up to fit false council teachings. To Mislead by satans will. Jesus was never with Catholicism. The protestants fixed very little.

All of our Bibles say you're WRONG, even the JW bible!

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Summary​

The function of religion in human society is complex. The part played by religion in psychiatric disorders is even more obscure. Previous literature and theories are divided into two groups: one school believes that intense religiosity is a symptom-complex indicative of psychiatric disorder, while the opposing view is that religious belief in some way acts as a defence mechanism protecting the individual and his psyche.

The present study of 50 Jehovah's Witnesses admitted to the Mental Health Service facilities of Western Australia suggests that members of this section of the community are more likely to be admitted to a psychiatric hospital than the general population. Furthermore, followers of the sect are three times more likely to be diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia and nearly four times more likely from paranoid schizophrenia than the rest of the population at risk.

These findings suggest that being a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses faith may be a risk factor predisposing to a schizophrenic illness. Further studies would be interesting in investigating whether pre-psychotic people are more likely to join the sect than normal people and what part (if any) membership has in bringing about such a breakdown.

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Type Research Article Information
The British Journal of Psychiatry , Volume 126 , Issue 6 , June 1975 , pp. 556 - 559
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1192/bjp.126.6.556[Opens in a new window]

 

[Keiw]

I remember, you said "Jesus is ONLY with JW's".

TY for quoting me correctly and not twisting it. 1Cor 1:10= a true mark of the 1 religion that has Jesus= Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division). What don't hundreds of trinity religions understand about NO DIVISION? What don't you understand about it? What don't you or your religions understand about Jesus telling his teachers he will send holy spirit to guide them into -ALL- truth--not hundreds of different truths in hundreds of different religions who are divided. Hundreds of religions with hundreds of different truths on matters= a mass of confusion.= a lack of holy spirit.

 

[Keiw]

All of our Bibles say you're WRONG, even the JW bible!

ALL of your hundreds of different religions teach hundreds of different truths= a mass of confusion.. Are you blinded( 2 Cor 4:4)

 

[Aunty Jane]

These findings suggest that being a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses faith may be a risk factor predisposing to a schizophrenic illness. Further studies would be interesting in investigating whether pre-psychotic people are more likely to join the sect than normal people and what part (if any) membership has in bringing about such a breakdown.

This is interesting…..a study that is almost 50 years old, “suggesting” things that are a vague “may be”.
Their other suggestion might be closer to the truth…..that those troubled with mental illnesses find more comfort and hope with our beliefs than they do with those who threaten hell and damnation.

Is there a corresponding study on Catholics that would explain the inordinate number of them in jail as criminals?

Here is one and its more recent…..
Under the heading….”Catholics more likely to be jailed and to be disciplined behind bars”…..from a study in Northern Ireland, it states….

“MORE than fifteen years after the Good Friday Agreement, Catholics continue to form a higher proportion of the prison population and are more likely to be punished when behind bars.
Prison reforms that emerged from the peace process have failed to tackle the high number of Catholics being jailed, but experts said the disparity may be due to issues such as poverty and unemployment. . .

New figures obtained by The Detail also reveal that last year Catholics accounted for almost 70% of all the disciplinary charges levelled against inmates, while Protestant prisoners accounted for just over 20% of punishments. . . .

In a further development, an Independent Monitoring Board report published in December 2013 indicated it was aware of the ‘Discipline and Disparity’ document, but stated that the prison service “has been in possession of its findings for over two years and added that it still appears that no action has actually been taken to address the findings of this contentious issue”.
Source
Is “poverty and unemployment” an excuse for criminal behavior?

How many of those in prison for criminal behavior are JW’s? The numbers are so small that they are apparently not worth reporting. We are as subject to sin as anyone else, but we know that God is watching everything we do and will reward our obedience to his laws.

According to one report…in the Salt Lake Tribune…headed…

“Utah Jehovah’s Witnesses take the Bible to the ‘largest gated community’: prison”​

This source reported that JW’s are more likely to convert people who are in prison…(many of whom were no doubt Catholic.) These then become model prisoners and are often given early release because of their changed personality. This is our experience across the world.

It also reported….
“Currently, nearly 200 members abroad — most of them in Russia, are in prison simply for worshipping as a Jehovah's Witness.”
Source

So JW‘s are more likely to experience persecution just for worshipping the same God that Jesus worshipped, and for doing what Christ commanded…to “preach the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations” before the foretold “end” of this world system, when all mankind has to stand before our appointed judge. (Matt 24:14; 28:19-20; Matt 25:31-33, 41, 46)

When was the last time a Catholic person came to my door with “the good news of God’s Kingdom”? The answer is NEVER. Yet, I have met many Catholic people when I called at their door, and they agreed to study the Bible with me. Many had questions that their priest could not answer. Upon learning what the Bible really teaches, they became Jehovah’s Witnesses.…vowing never to go back to that church because of the lies it teaches.

 

[RLT63]

This is interesting…..a study that is almost 50 years old, “suggesting” things that are a vague “may be”.
Their other suggestion might be closer to the truth…..that those troubled with mental illnesses find more comfort and hope with our beliefs than they do with those who threaten hell and damnation.

Is there a corresponding study on Catholics that would explain the inordinate number of them in jail as criminals?

Here is one and its more recent…..
Under the heading….”Catholics more likely to be jailed and to be disciplined behind bars”…..from a study in Northern Ireland, it states….

“MORE than fifteen years after the Good Friday Agreement, Catholics continue to form a higher proportion of the prison population and are more likely to be punished when behind bars.
Prison reforms that emerged from the peace process have failed to tackle the high number of Catholics being jailed, but experts said the disparity may be due to issues such as poverty and unemployment. . .

New figures obtained by The Detail also reveal that last year Catholics accounted for almost 70% of all the disciplinary charges levelled against inmates, while Protestant prisoners accounted for just over 20% of punishments. . . .

In a further development, an Independent Monitoring Board report published in December 2013 indicated it was aware of the ‘Discipline and Disparity’ document, but stated that the prison service “has been in possession of its findings for over two years and added that it still appears that no action has actually been taken to address the findings of this contentious issue”.
Source
Is “poverty and unemployment” an excuse for criminal behavior?

How many of those in prison for criminal behavior are JW’s? The numbers are so small that they are apparently not worth reporting. We are as subject to sin as anyone else, but we know that God is watching everything we do and will reward our obedience to his laws.

According to one report…in the Salt Lake Tribune…headed…

“Utah Jehovah’s Witnesses take the Bible to the ‘largest gated community’: prison”​

This source reported that JW’s are more likely to convert people who are in prison…(many of whom were no doubt Catholic.) These then become model prisoners and are often given early release because of their changed personality. This is our experience across the world.

It also reported….
“Currently, nearly 200 members abroad — most of them in Russia, are in prison simply for worshipping as a Jehovah's Witness.”
Source

So JW‘s are more likely to experience persecution just for worshipping the same God that Jesus worshipped, and for doing what Christ commanded…to “preach the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations” before the foretold “end” of this world system, when all mankind has to stand before our appointed judge. (Matt 24:14; 28:19-20; Matt 25:31-33, 41, 46)

When was the last time a Catholic person came to my door with “the good news of God’s Kingdom”? The answer is NEVER. Yet, I have met many Catholic people when I called at their door, and they agreed to study the Bible with me. Many had questions that their priest could not answer. Upon learning what the Bible really teaches, they became Jehovah’s Witnesses.…vowing never to go back to that church because of the lies it teaches.

The one true religion arguing with the one true Church and both sides think they are the only ones who are right.
Carry on

 

[Aunty Jane]

The one true religion arguing with the one true Church and both sides think they are the only ones who are right.
Carry on

Right….and because this is in the “unorthodox forum” we would expect that anyone debating for an opposing view would have the “goods” to prove their case…..this is the only reason I reply so that any who are seekers may see that what they have been taught to believe in a hopelessly divided church system, is not necessarily the truth….but things are read into ambiguous verses to make it appear to be so. Contradictions reveal that they are not. The apostasy foretold by Jesus is not a recent event….it was already happening in the first century and it has had almost 2000 years to “strongly entrench” itself. (2 Cor 10:4-5)

God’s word explains itself but only if we let it…..how can those who have no Bible knowledge tell whether something is scripturally true or not? Isn’t by seeing what the Bible has to say in its own defence?

 

[RLT63]

Right….and because this is in the “unorthodox forum” we would expect that anyone debating for an opposing view would have the “goods” to prove their case…..this is the only reason I reply so that any who are seekers may see that what they have been taught to believe in a hopelessly divided church system, is not necessarily the truth….but things are read into ambiguous verses to make it appear to be so. Contradictions reveal that they are not. The apostasy foretold by Jesus is not a recent event….it was already happening in the first century and it has had almost 2000 years to “strongly entrench” itself. (2 Cor 10:4-5)

God’s word explains itself but only if we let it…..how can those who have no Bible knowledge tell whether something is scripturally true or not? Isn’t by seeing what the Bible has to say in its own defence?

You are very knowledgeable but the Bible doesn’t always say exactly what you believe it does, I don’t agree with the other side either, but a lot of interesting material has come out of these discussions.

 

[Jack]

TY for quoting me correctly and not twisting it. 1Cor 1:10= a true mark of the 1 religion that has Jesus= Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division). What don't hundreds of trinity religions understand about NO DIVISION? What don't you understand about it? What don't you or your religions understand about Jesus telling his teachers he will send holy spirit to guide them into -ALL- truth--not hundreds of different truths in hundreds of different religions who are divided. Hundreds of religions with hundreds of different truths on matters= a mass of confusion.= a lack of holy spirit.

Your JW bible PROVES you're wrong!

 

[Jack]

ALL of your hundreds of different religions teach hundreds of different truths= a mass of confusion.. Are you blinded( 2 Cor 4:4)

I've only got one religion, Biblical Christianity that teaches loud and clear that Jesus is God and Hell Fire is "forever and ever". Even the JW bible says so!

 

[Aunty Jane]

You are very knowledgeable but the Bible doesn’t always say exactly what you believe it does

I would love you to post what it is that the Bible doesn’t agree with in my responses. That is what debating is for…to bring out those questions and see who has the answers that agree with the Bible’s entire narrative, not just the cherry picked verses that Christendom provides for their favored doctrines…..the Bible doesn’t exactly say what they want to believe, so let’s get it out on the table and discuss it like adults…..there is no reason to get angry and start throwing tantrums.

I don’t agree with the other side either, but a lot of interesting material has come out of these discussions

And there you have it….if I have corrected the view of even one person, then that leaves them open for at least discussing a subject without emotions getting in the way. We should all allow the Bible to speak for itself…..that way there are no contradictions to have to explain away.