Q for JW- KIEW?

[David in NJ]

Yes. This entire thread was an attempt to get them to read Ro 6. That obviously failed, but oh how I did try- but hopefully someone somewhere was helped.- That was the point.
No one can come to the Son unless the Father calls them. All we can do is plant a seed. With these people though- I know they have had many many seeds planted- they REJECT truth time and time again and worship men & this is what happens.

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[Wrangler]

There is ONE FLOCK. --ONE FLOCK WITH ONE SHEPHERD

This is an anti-truth.

Every congregation is different with different shepherds. The needs of each flock are different. Therefore, the pastor or shepherd gives different sermons on the needs of that particular congregation.

Yes, we have one mediator to God, that is Scripture. Another example of over-spiritualizing things.

 

[Wrangler]

This entire thread was an attempt to get them to read Ro 6.

You just said there is one flock. What is this "them" business? Also the post below shows "they" did read Ro 6.

Jesus teaching-Matt 7:21-23--shows you are twisting Romans 6.

Seems @PS95 blurs the line between one reading a verse and adopting his take on it. This is how he "helps."

 

[Keiw]

The Holy Spirit only bears Witness to the TRUTH = the same TRUTH that you reject thru unbelief............

What don't i believe? I just showed you The HS bears witness to their spirit.

 

[Keiw]

That still doesn't answer the question Keiw.

Say, I am a member of the local congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, Romans 8:16, 17 kicks in. I am now an heir, a member of the Little Flock, can I now evoke 1 Timothy 3 and declare myself an elder, who is now taking the lead? Why or why not?

The ones taking the lead i spoke of=the anointed. Most Elders are not anointed. The governing body is. And some others.

 

[Keiw]

Once again - Jw's never read context. You simply regurgitate the rote verses from your magazines floating down from the heavens. What happened to 9:5? since I pointed out the context you guys arent quoting it. At least not here. Lord knows you still will use it where you can get away witth it. Well, the same goes for 9:10. Dont you realize how unwise it is to never read context? C'mon now Keiw- youre making yourself look really bad. You do not comprehend this book at all.

Sheol( Hebrew) translates the grave=Hades(Greek) translates the grave. They derive hell from Hades.

 

[Keiw]

Hello Brother,

You are relatively a new member here.
@Wrangler @face2face and i have had quite a few discussions on the Scriptures.

Any man or woman who does not have the Holy Spirit of Truth cannot SEE.
Any man or woman who argues against "It is written" cannot SEE.
Any man or woman who desires to know God will submit to Christ and the Holy Scriptures.

And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:35-40

Hundreds of religions claim to be Christian with hundreds of different truths on matters, which of the following is why?
1) a lack of holy spirit and men twisting Gods word into oblivion? And only 1 religion( 1 Cor 1:10) has Jesus with all truth?
2) the holy spirit is confused?

Jesus promised to his that the holy spirit would guide them into ALL truth, not hundreds of different truths on matters.

 

[David in NJ]

What don't i believe? I just showed you The HS bears witness to their spirit.

The Holy Spirit only bears Witness of the Truth to those who have the Holy Spirit.

 

[Berean]

The ones taking the lead i spoke of=the anointed. Most Elders are not anointed. The governing body is. And some others.

You're not paying attention Keiw. So read carefully ... I'll write real slow .... Say, I am a member of the local congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, Romans 8:16, 17 kicks in. I am now an heir, a member of the Little Flock, can I now evoke 1 Timothy 3 and declare myself an elder, who is now taking the lead? Or are only the Governing Body anointed, and make all the rules?

 

[David in NJ]

Hundreds of religions claim to be Christian with hundreds of different truths on matters, which of the following is why?
1) a lack of holy spirit and men twisting Gods word into oblivion? And only 1 religion( 1 Cor 1:10) has Jesus with all truth?
2) the holy spirit is confused?

Jesus promised to his that the holy spirit would guide them into ALL truth, not hundreds of different truths on matters.

Here is how you know you are being led by the Holy Spirit.

This is where HE leads all who belong to God:

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Berean]

The Holy Spirit only bears Witness of the Truth to those who have the Holy Spirit.

David, that doesn't apply to the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses. They don't profess to be anointed with the Holy Spirit, that privilege has been denied them, and told by their Governing Body that their hope is to live forever on earth. Since they don't have the spirit that leads to all Truth, they must rely on those who profess to have the Spirit for all their spiritual needs, namely the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, who apparently have a direct line to heaven. Apparently, there's a shortage in the connection, because they are constantly changing their beliefs under the guise of "new light"

 

[Keiw]

The Holy Spirit only bears Witness of the Truth to those who have the Holy Spirit.

All religions claiming to be Christian, claim to have holy spirit guidance, yet they are a mass of confusion= a lack of holy spirit guidance.

 

[Keiw]

You're not paying attention Keiw. So read carefully ... I'll write real slow .... Say, I am a member of the local congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, Romans 8:16, 17 kicks in. I am now an heir, a member of the Little Flock, can I now evoke 1 Timothy 3 and declare myself an elder, who is now taking the lead? Or are only the Governing Body anointed, and make all the rules?

Elders are appointed, no one makes themself one.

 

[Keiw]

Here is how you know you are being led by the Holy Spirit.

This is where HE leads all who belong to God:

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

That speaks of the real Jesus.
that did not consider it robbery to be equal to God=error by Catholicism( 2 Thess 2:3) to fit false council teachings. They put many in.
JW,s came out of the Catholic Archives= late 60,s or early 70,s with 100% proof--The spirit water and blood are the 3 witness bearers, Catholicism put-father, son and holy spirit in place of reality to fit false council teachings. The JW,s were never allowed back in for exposing that error. You rely on Catholicism translating for your entrance into Gods kingdom. Not a wise place to be standing.

 

[David in NJ]

All religions claiming to be Christian, claim to have holy spirit guidance, yet they are a mass of confusion= a lack of holy spirit guidance.

AGREE in part

jehovah witness religion is even WORSE

 

[David in NJ]

That speaks of the real Jesus.
that did not consider it robbery to be equal to God=error by Catholicism( 2 Thess 2:3) to fit false council teachings. They put many in.
JW,s came out of the Catholic Archives= late 60,s or early 70,s with 100% proof--The spirit water and blood are the 3 witness bearers, Catholicism put-father, son and holy spirit in place of reality to fit false council teachings. The JW,s were never allowed back in for exposing that error. You rely on Catholicism translating for your entrance into Gods kingdom. Not a wise place to be standing.

Spirit speaks of the FATHER = John 4:24
Water speaks of the Holy Spirit = John 4:13-14
Blood speaks of Christ = Hebrews 9:11-15

As ALWAYS = the Holy Scriptures proclaim the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT are ONE

 

[Berean]

Elders are appointed, no one makes themself one.

Who appoints them?

 

[Berean]

All religions claiming to be Christian, claim to have holy spirit guidance, yet they are a mass of confusion= a lack of holy spirit guidance.

Yet your religion claims to be the true religion and your leaders aka the Governing Body is just as confused, as they continually change their beliefs on a yearly basis.

 

[Keiw]

AGREE in part

jehovah witness religion is even WORSE

Jesus said we would be hated by those of this world.

 

[Keiw]

Spirit speaks of the FATHER = John 4:24
Water speaks of the Holy Spirit = John 4:13-14
Blood speaks of Christ = Hebrews 9:11-15

As ALWAYS = the Holy Scriptures proclaim the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT are ONE

Keep on twisting things. You will fail this forever=John 4:22-24