Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[David in NJ]

well it did point to the gospel . but as far as why this specific dream ,
if you have an answer let us hear it my friend .

Abraham and Isaac point to the Gospel
A.) Abraham = the FATHER
B.) Isaac = the Only Begotten Son of the FATHER thru PROMISE = "at the appointed time Sarah will have a son"

God tells Abraham to offer Isaac = Salvation by the Sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son of the FATHER = the Sinless Blood of Christ

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob point to the FULL COMPLETE Gospel which most christians are told to avoid by there pastors who lack..........what?

 

[David in NJ]

That is a passage about our rapture. Congrats on getting some scripture that is on target here. Too bad it has no timing as you allude to here. Ha

Instead of being un-Christ like.

Why not engage in holy conversation by asking questions.

Questions like: Brother, how do you see in 1 Thess 4:13-18 post-trib Rapture?

 

[amigo de christo]

Abraham and Isaac point to the Gospel
A.) Abraham = the FATHER
B.) Isaac = the Only Begotten Son of the FATHER

God tells Abraham to offer Isaac = Salvation by the Sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son of the FATHER = the Sinless Blood of Christ

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob point to the FULL COMPLETE Gospel which most christians are told to avoid

One can see this in a sense . I see what you are trying to say or to imply .
God offered up HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON .

 

[amigo de christo]

One can see this in a sense . I see what you are trying to say or to imply .
God offered up HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON .

 

[David in NJ]

One can see this in a sense . I see what you are trying to say or to imply .
God offered up HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON .

Did not the Apostle Paul, by the Holy Spirit, say God PREACHED the Gospel to Abraham..................

And how did HE do this???

By the very life of Abraham and Isaac = go back and read again because there is more for you to SEE

Question: How many are mentioned that exist in Elohim beginning in Genesis chapter 1???

Key word is 'beginning', meaning more is to come.

 

[amigo de christo]

Instead of being un-Christ like.

Why not engage in holy conversation by asking questions.

Questions like: Brother, how do you see in 1 Thess 4:13-18 post-trib Rapture?

You can see it real clearly my friend . JESUS DID MENTION THIS GREAT TRIBULATION indeed .
pre trib twists things . i have seen many things they twist .
Far better had it been if lambs had just read the bible for themselves
MUCH deception has abounded and many false teachers do abound .
lambs must be on gaurd and LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar .
Now i know most folks will accuse me of trying to say i said ALL teachers are false .
NO , or i condmen even myself . HOWEVER myself always reminds and says often , GET IN THE BIBLE for THINESELF
and test all men , including me , against SOUND WELL LEARNED BIBLE DOCTRINE .
this people is in dire trouble david . The lie has come and many have been seduced into the lie
and many many more are headed right to this lie by the seduction and means of men gone wrong
who are planting little doubts into their minds TO prepare them for THE LIE
men who have come under the power and work of satan to prepare this people TO MERGE ASONE .
ITS GROWN david and the new god uses their golden bull of what it calls love to SEDUCE THEM ALL right into A LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Did not the Apostle Paul, by the Holy Spirit, say God PREACHED the Gospel to Abraham..................

And how did HE do this???

By the very life of Abraham and Isaac = go back and read again because there is more for you to SEE

Question: How many are mentioned that exist in Elohim beginning in Genesis chapter 1???

Key word is 'beginning', meaning more is to come.

yeah my friend . i know . i know my friend . But lets talk again on a matter that deeply troubles
and concerns me , CHRISTENDOM IS BEING LED TO THE LIE RIGHT NOW david
and we gots to expose it and its false love common ground abraham peace accords , bridge building junk .
CHRISTENDOM has fallen , i repeat in large has fallen and many just chant its love , its love , its love .
WE GOT A MAJOR problem . If you dont beleive this , you need to start following me around this site .
YOU SEE what i have been up against and you see what is coming in very subitliy even NOW .
This thing is a monster of a delusoin david , the likes of which i have never seen .
AND man the one behind it IS FULL OF WISDOM and knows HOW to decieve and to allure
and most folks dont even really know the bible or THAT GOD and HIS CHRIST . this people IS in trouble david .
Not all have yet fallen for the LIE ITSELF , but by means of men they are headed RIGHT TO IT and have no idea .

 

[David in NJ]

You can see it real clearly my friend . JESUS DID MENTION THIS GREAT TRIBULATION indeed .
pre trib twists things . i have seen many things they twist .
Far better had it been if lambs had just read the bible for themselves
MUCH deception has abounded and many false teachers do abound .
lambs must be on gaurd and LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar .
Now i know most folks will accuse me of trying to say i said ALL teachers are false .
NO , or i condmen even myself . HOWEVER myself always reminds and says often , GET IN THE BIBLE for THINESELF
and test all men , including me , against SOUND WELL LEARNED BIBLE DOCTRINE .
this people is in dire trouble david . The lie has come and many have been seduced into the lie
and many many more are headed right to this lie by the seduction and means of men gone wrong
who are planting little doubts into their minds TO prepare them for THE LIE
men who have come under the power and work of satan to prepare this people TO MERGE ASONE .
ITS GROWN david and the new god uses their golden bull of what it calls love to SEDUCE THEM ALL right into A LIE .

Far better had it been if lambs had just read the bible for themselves
MUCH deception has abounded and many false teachers do abound .

Now i will share with you this which men despise.

God called me and SAVED me out from RCC.
His Calling led me to not only being SAVED by the Blood but later Baptized in the Holy Spirit.
When HE did this HE, again i say HE, as in not me, HE desired to give the Holy Spirit of Truth and the calling of.......................
You will find the answer to His Calling and Anointing upon me in Ephesians chapter 4.

 

[amigo de christo]

Abraham and Isaac point to the Gospel
A.) Abraham = the FATHER
B.) Isaac = the Only Begotten Son of the FATHER thru PROMISE = "at the appointed time Sarah will have a son"

God tells Abraham to offer Isaac = Salvation by the Sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son of the FATHER = the Sinless Blood of Christ

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob point to the FULL COMPLETE Gospel which most christians are told to avoid by there pastors who lack..........what?

Who lack TRUTH , the SPIRIT , the biblical version of GOD , OF CHRIST
you know what i notice david . And it do break my heart to see it , MOST DO NOT FOLLOW THE SPIRIT at all
they follow men and those men DO NOT have THE SPIRIT either and are as the blind that lead the blind .
NOW dont think i am talking about here and error or there an error . I MEAN WOLVES are over a lot of churches now .
WOLVES in wool . the wolves crept in
and preached to a generation and then that generation grew to be twice the child of confusion
and so on it has went . Its truly a reprobate house in many places now .
YET its so odd , because if you walk into any ol denomination
and even catholic churches , YA PRETTY MUCH have seen the same thing . maybe not statues oretc
BUT ALL YOU HEAR is LOVE LOVE LOVE , FINDING COMMON ground, UNITY unity unity
but what you wont hear is BIBLICAL DOCTRINE and what you wont see is CORRECTION of sins and E rrors . BINGO dude
they are becoming as one mind , one agenda and NOW that agenda is leading them
with unity with all religoins to find common ground with all .
And where is this gonna lead them , TO PERDITOIN . to the lie that no religoins truth is any better than the other .
JESUS HAS BEEN DENIED . satan knows how to decieve and his men do too . through the lusts of the flesh
AND BY GOLLY lets keep sound DOCTRINE OUT OF IT they do say . .

 

[David in NJ]

Who lack TRUTH , the SPIRIT , the biblical version of GOD , OF CHRIST
you know what i notice david . And it do break my heart to see it , MOST DO NOT FOLLOW THE SPIRIT at all
they follow men and those men DO NOT have THE SPIRIT either and are as the blind that lead the blind .
NOW dont think i am talking about here and error or there an error . I MEAN WOLVES are over a lot of churches now .
WOLVES in wool . the wolves crept in
and preached to a generation and then that generation grew to be twice the child of confusion
and so on it has went . Its truly a reprobate house in many places now .
YET its so odd , because if you walk into any ol denomination
and even catholic churches , YA PRETTY MUCH have seen the same thing . maybe not statues oretc
BUT ALL YOU HEAR is LOVE LOVE LOVE , FINDING COMMON ground, UNITY unity unity
but what you wont hear is BIBLICAL DOCTRINE and what you wont see is CORRECTION of sins and rrors . BINGO dude
the are becoming as one mind , one agenda and NOW that agenda is leading them
with unity with all religoins to find common ground with all .
And where is this gonna lead them , TO PERDITOIN . to the lie that no religoins truth is any better than the other .
JESUS HAS BEEN DENIED . satan knows how to decieve and his men do too . through the lusts of the flesh
AND BY GOLLY lets keep sound DOCTRINE OUT OF IT .

MOST DO NOT FOLLOW THE SPIRIT at all
they follow men and those men DO NOT have THE SPIRIT either and are as the blind that lead the blind .

It is a man-made virus amongst 'christians' and it is called "respect of persons"

JESUS exposed this crippling virus in the hearts/minds of His people = John 5:44

 

[David in NJ]

Who lack TRUTH , the SPIRIT , the biblical version of GOD , OF CHRIST
you know what i notice david . And it do break my heart to see it , MOST DO NOT FOLLOW THE SPIRIT at all
they follow men and those men DO NOT have THE SPIRIT either and are as the blind that lead the blind .
NOW dont think i am talking about here and error or there an error . I MEAN WOLVES are over a lot of churches now .
WOLVES in wool . the wolves crept in
and preached to a generation and then that generation grew to be twice the child of confusion
and so on it has went . Its truly a reprobate house in many places now .
YET its so odd , because if you walk into any ol denomination
and even catholic churches , YA PRETTY MUCH have seen the same thing . maybe not statues oretc
BUT ALL YOU HEAR is LOVE LOVE LOVE , FINDING COMMON ground, UNITY unity unity
but what you wont hear is BIBLICAL DOCTRINE and what you wont see is CORRECTION of sins and E rrors . BINGO dude
they are becoming as one mind , one agenda and NOW that agenda is leading them
with unity with all religoins to find common ground with all .
And where is this gonna lead them , TO PERDITOIN . to the lie that no religoins truth is any better than the other .
JESUS HAS BEEN DENIED . satan knows how to decieve and his men do too . through the lusts of the flesh
AND BY GOLLY lets keep sound DOCTRINE OUT OF IT they do say . .

See, i can SEE your Calling that also that is found in Ephesians ch4

Different from His in me but the SAME Spirit of Truth in you that which HE placed in this little stone.

 

[David in NJ]

@amigo de christo

Your Calling from the FATHER in Christ and the Holy Spirit is that of a prophet.

No, there is NO new revelation coming from you from God for that was Sealed in the Book of Revelation.

His Gift in you is to do the SAME as John the Baptist who was the Greatest OT prophet to walk this earth.

His NT Gift in you is to SEE that which satan is using against His people and the world and to SHOUT from the roof tops,
turn away from the false christs and turn back to the Only TRUE MESSIAH - the LORD Jesus Christ

You are both comforted and grieved by the Spirit of Truth to repeat daily His warning of coming tribulation for the saints and the Judgment for those who follow after another christ or another gospel.

You also SEE the false doctrines and urge the Brethren to only Believe God's words and not to place their complete trust in man.

The prophetic office of the Holy Spirit is to SEE that which is of God AND that which is not according to God, is counterfeit and then expose it.

SHALOM

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

None of your scripture references say we become Israelites.

You wrote, "How much more clear can this be that the two (Jew and Gentile believers) have already become one new man? It says Jesus "has made the two groups one" and that we are now "fellow citizens" in the church with Jesus as the chief cornerstone."

Your position is that we don't become one new man, but we all become part of the original old man.

You apparently didn't read my post at all. No, my position is NOT "that we don't become one new man", my position is that the blood of Christ already made us (Jew and Gentile believers) into one new man long ago, as Paul said. Did you not read this:

Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

This says Jesus "hath MADE both one". It says He "abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man". He has reconciled "both unto God in one body by the cross". Jew and Gentile believers are now "fellowcitizens" in the church that is "built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone". Why are you acting as if this hasn't happened yet when scripture says it has?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The future of Israel wannabees:

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

 

[dad]

Instead of being un-Christ like.

Why not engage in holy conversation by asking questions.

Questions like: Brother, how do you see in 1 Thess 4:13-18 post-trib Rapture?

You are welcome to comment intelligently on the topic

 

[Jack]

Genesis 35:1 - Then God said to Jacob, “Arise, go up to Bethel and dwell there; and make an altar there to God, who appeared to you when you fled from the face of Esau your brother.”

Genesis 35:9-15 - Then God appeared to Jacob again, when he came from Padan Aram, and blessed him.
And God said to him, “Your name is Jacob; your name shall not be called Jacob anymore, but Israel shall be your name.”
So He called his name Israel.
Also God said to him: “I am God Almighty. Be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations(PLURAL)
shall proceed from you, and kings shall come from your body.
The land which I gave Abraham and Isaac I give to you; and to your descendants after you I give this land.”
Then God went up from him in the place where He talked with him.
So Jacob set up a pillar in the place where He talked with him, a pillar of stone; and he poured a drink offering on it, and he poured oil on it. And Jacob called the name of the place where God spoke with him, Bethel.

@Atarah @marks = what do you see?

@amigo de christo @Marvelloustime @ewq1938 @jeffweeder = what do you SEE

I see, Jesus is the God of Israel!

 

[Jack]

Your Jews, whom you claim to love, but whom you actually believe are liars.

For shame.

Do you really think Israel is your enemy???

 

[Jack]

I'm the Israel of God. Aren't you? Galatians 6:16

Get a map. You're not Israel! What an imagination!

 

[Jack]

Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Quoting God is "judging"? LOL!!!

I still can't find "Sprirtual Israelite" in the Bible! It ain't!

 

[covenantee]

Get a map. You're not Israel! What an imagination!

So you're the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 3:9

What's it like in there?