Proof of Rapture before Tribulation
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David in NJ
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Atarah,
TODAY, both Jew and Gentile must GRAB HOLD of the Hebrew MESSIAH Yeshua to be SAVED = this will never change!
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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God ha smore for you Keraz and don't be a christian 'numb-skull' like so many on here = If you are in CHRIST, where are your sins Today???
This includes you @Bladerunner
Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Anyone who says MESSIAH YESHUA did not fulfill the 70th Week in HIMSELF has their minds blinded just as the Jews.
1Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
The depths of evil from the LIE of pre-trib rapture blinds the minds of 'christians' to the TRUTH
Loving Jesus is not hating Israel. Hating evil such as the evil done by unbelievers of the state of Israel today is something God does and demands we do. I can't imagine what the survivors and families of the multitudes slaughtered by Israel think of Jesus, when a supposed christian gung ho supports the genocide and Satanic barbarous atrocities that are done by Israel today. That is a serious misrepresentation of Him, and a horrible stumblingblock for people. That is not my God.
Spiritual Israelite
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The prophecy itself gives absolutely no indication whatsoever that there would be any gaps between any of the 70 weeks. I can't see that because it's not there.
Spiritual Israelite
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LOL. You can't get any more delusional than to think anyone but Jesus can fulfill the 70th week. Only He could make reconciliation for iniquity, make an end of sins, finish the transgression ("It is finished"), bring in everlasting righteousness, etc. and He accomplished that on the cross. Your view undermines what Jesus accomplished on the cross and you put man on a pedestal as if sinful man can possibly do what was required to fulfill that prophecy.
The literal end of sin won't happen in your view until 1,000+ years after Christ returns, so is it your view that the 70th week occurs 1,000+ years after Christ returns? It would have to be in order for your hyperliteral understanding of the prophecy to be true.
Spiritual Israelite
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Grow up. No one here is saying they hate Israel. Do you think the secular, Christ-rejecting Israel of today can do no wrong? If so, you are blind.
Spiritual Israelite
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Spiritual Israelite
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There is no relation between the time periods of Revelation and the 70th week of Daniel 9:24-27. You are trying to relate unrelated scriptures.
Spiritual Israelite
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No, I'm sure I did not miss the point at all. You just don't like how I am refuting what you said.
Which Israel was he talking about, though? How do you interpret this passage:
Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.
I know you are suggesting that, so I did not miss the point. And I completely disagree with that because scripture never teaches this nonsense. God did not bring Jew and Gentile believers together as one body through the sacrifice of His Son only to again separate them at a later time. That is complete nonsense.
No! You are ignoring the entire New Testament! The only way for anyone to be saved is through faith in Christ! Period!
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.
Ronald David Bruno
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The church in Smyrna had faith and was persecuted. Many Christians thourout history have been martyred. The Church will be tested during the Great Tribulation. This is what perseverance means. THE Antichrist ( through wars or terrorism) may kill us; but the does not mean the gates of Hades prevails. No, we gp to heaven. Any Christian who dies goes their. We will not be subject to wrath. The wrath comes at the 7th Trumpet ( last).
Look for yourself at Rev. 10:7, 11:15-19.
* "But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished ...
* The seventh angel sounded his trumpet ...
* “The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”...
* Twenty-four elder worshiped God ...
* “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty ...
* You have taken your great power
and have begun to reign ...
* Your wrath has come ...
* The time has come for
judging the dead ...
* rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
* and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”God’s temple in heaven was opened ...
* flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.
Yet it is still not over yet. Likely the wrath comes at the end of the 1260 days of Great Tribulation. Those who make it from that time to day 1335, will be saved (but not resurrected until after the Millennial Kingdom) at the Second Resurrection. This also includes those who have died in Christ after the First Resurrection. All reprobates remain in Hades until the Great White Throne Judgment, when Hades and Death itself are destroyed on the Lake of Fire ( Hell) - along with the First Heave and First Earth.
Then we see the New Jerusalem come down, our eternal resting place.
rebuilder 454
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Wo
You along with 2 members commending your antisemitism.
Wow
You along with 2 members commending your antisemitism.
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Spiritual Israelite
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So, is the trinity a myth since the word trinity isn't in the Bible? Is the rapture a myth since that word rapture isn't in the Bible?
The concept of Spiritual Israel is certainly there in the Bible, as the following passages show:
Romans 9:6-8 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.
Ephesians 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
Galatians 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.
How do you know that they're Semites?
Have you tested them with your DNA spit kit?
Spiritual Israelite
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Apparently, he would call Jesus an antisemite, too, since He was highly critical of the Jewish people (unbelievers in particular, of course). Or maybe he hasn't read Matthew 23 yet?How do you know that they're Semites?
Have you tested them with your DNA spit kit?
OK, and so why post that here? Did I disagree with this?
The final wrath. The whole seven years is also wrath I would contend.
Those who? The folks on earth. The Raptured are already saved and gone and even returned with Jesus! As for the extra days after He returns, that is a matter of speculation what happens then.
The people who died in Christ were raptured long before the return of Jesus to the earth. So I assume you mean the tribulation martyrs. They are saved already of course and have no need to wait 45 days or whatever after He returns to be saved.
It is true that He destroys the wicked when He returns. However there will still be a planet full of people to rule over.
It is evil to call compassion for victims (many whom are children) of mass murder 'antisemetic'! That is a violation of truth and language and meaning of words. It is also justifying the wicked and calling evil good and being a reproach to the cause.l
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