Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[rebuilder 454]

Yes, pre-trib is a false doctrine, but can you show me where salvation is dependent on whether someone is pre-trib or post-trib? I don't see that taught in scripture anywhere. I have a problem with someone acting as if someone's end times doctrine is a determining factor in whether or not they are saved. I've seen others on this forum do that as well, and it's unacceptable. Salvation is by grace through faith and not by works. And not by believing the correct end times doctrine. It's not helpful to believe in false doctrine and can lead to worse things, but that alone does not mean someone is not saved.

Thank you!

 

[MA2444]

Hebrews 9:27-28
27 And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment, 28 so also Christ was offered once for all time as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many people. He will come again, not to deal with our sins, but to bring salvation to all who are eagerly waiting for him..../NLT

"Eagerly"

Deuteronomy 29:29
29 The secret things belong to the Lord our God,(AR) but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.(AS).../NIV

 

[rebuilder 454]

It is not opinion. A candlestick represents a Christian church. This is a known fact regarding the language of Rev. There are two of these Christian churches operating during the trib. It has never been true that the church is not found in most of the chapters of Rev.

What do postribs do with the fact that all take the mark????
Is it automatically transposed to "some"?
What do you do with th the passage that says power is given to the Antichrist to overcome the Saints. ?
What do you do with the passage that says, of the Believers in the tribulation, concerning the Antichrist, that they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony and they love not their lives unto death. Ahem....THEY DIE.

That is three Witnesses against your theory three biblical Witnesses that destroy every part of your theory.

 

[David in NJ]

KJV..."Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city," Ok, We know that we are speaking of Israel and the Holy City is Jerusalem. The "idiom" of a "week" of years was used during this time where God required the land "sabbath for the Land" to be fallow (not sown) one year out of every 7 years. Failure to comply with these commandments resulted in 70 years of servitude to Babylon. This servitude began in 606 BC. Daniel was already aware the 70 years of servitude was almost up. So this prophecy of 490 years was beyond this date:

"to finish the transgression," (violations of Law) of the Jewish people, Has this happen Yet! No for it is still future.

"and to make an end of sins," Has this happened YET....No for it is still future!

"and to make reconciliation for iniquity," Has this happened Yet! Yes, with Jesus Christ on the Cross.

"and to bring in everlasting righteousness," Has this happened yet! N, for it is still future

"and to seal up the vision and prophecy," Has this happened yet! Yes, This book was sealed up for many years and it was and still is banned from reading by anyone practicing( Judaism unless one is a Rabbi.

"and to anoint the most Holy." Has this happened Yet. No for it is also future.

So we see that this prophecy is for Israel only. While Jesus has paid the price for the transgressions/sin Neither of these two has stopped as it reads. As we will see in the next verse, the weeks of years are broken down for us to consider. one week (7 weeks + 62 Weeks of years)apply to Daniel 9:24

It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to be SAVED or for a JEW to be SAVED apart from the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24

Dispensationalism is a man-made, man-centered doctrine that seeks to BYPASS the New Covenant concerning the Jewish people.

Jerusalem and Israel would NOT exist if CHRIST did not fulfill Daniel 9:24 and this is also confirmed in the prophet Jeremiah and specifically the NEW COVENANT.

Did you not read the CLEAR scriptures given to you!

So we see that this prophecy is for Israel only.

Your statement here is antichrist and is violence against the Gospel, against the people of God and God's Will for you.

This is how EVIL and DANGEROUS the heresy of pre-trib rapture is as it has snowballed into many lies against the Gospel.

Every scripture in your post that you say: "Has not happened yet" is a complete LIE against the very words of God.

There is prophecy yet to be fulfilled = Matthew 23:39 , 2 Thess chapter 2 , and more

STOP your unbelief now by Returning to CHRIST - 2 Peter 1:1-4
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,
by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises,
that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature,
having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

For the (Jewish people) being ignorant of the righteousness of God and seeking to establish the own righteousness, they did not submit to the righteousness of God. - Romans 10:1-3

Your religion has dumbed you down to the same unbelief as Israel now suffers under and it is antichrist.

 

[marks]

We cannot serve God and religion.
We will cling to one and despise/reject/disregard/diminish the other.


Do you remember, a while back, when i posted the clear words of the LORD Jesus Christ and the Apostles concerning the "falling Away" and you rejected THEIR rebuke against the false claim that the apostacy was the departure of the Church via the rapture.

Do you remember your responses?
Not much love coming from you.

That was a few weeks ago - maybe you have reconsidered the words of the LORD and the Apostle Paul and the Apostle John???

If we oppose THEIR words, how is that love???

Unless you want to actually respond to what I've written there is no discussion, just more of the same vanity.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Exactly. Why would I? No reason. As I said, it's a waste of time.

I fully agree. When some changes someone elses words into something they didn't say, and than responds to that changed version, yes, it is a complete waste of time.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Unless you want to actually respond to what I've written there is no discussion, just more of the same vanity.

Much love!

Today is a new Day if you can hear His Voice

3 questions for you Today

Any change of heart from speaking against the LORD Jesus Christ who says there will be a falling away BEFORE His Coming?
Matthew 24:9-14

Any change of heart from speaking against the Apostle Paul who says there will be a falling away BEFORE His Coming?
2 Thessalonians chapter 2

Any change of heart from speaking against the Apostle John who says there will be a falling away BEFORE His Coming?
1 John 2:18-19

i challenge you by the Holy Scriptures and the Spirit of Truth = Prove me to be a false witness by the Word
examine Post 898 AND the Holy Scriptures posted in it.

@marks , there is only "Much love" in believing the words of God and embracing the Body of Christ who do just that.

@marks, CHRIST is for you and for us when we embrace the TRUTH = "Thy word is Truth - Sanctify them in thy Truth"

 

[marks]

Prove me to be a false witness by the Word

1 Corinthians 13:4-8 LITV
4) Love has patience, is kind; love is not envious; love is not vain, is not puffed up;
5) does not behave indecently, does not pursue its own things, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil;
6) does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth.
7) Love quietly covers all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8) Love never fails . . .

Much love!

 

[marks]

Any change of heart from speaking against the LORD Jesus Christ

Have you had any change of heart concerning your judgmental and superior attitude that you lord over others?

Today is the day you could begin to examine your heart for the source of these things. Remember, Bitter and sweet don't flow from the same source.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

1 Corinthians 13:4-8 LITV
4) Love has patience, is kind; love is not envious; love is not vain, is not puffed up;
5) does not behave indecently, does not pursue its own things, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil;
6) does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth.
7) Love quietly covers all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8) Love never fails . . .

Much love!

Right, so stop puffing yourself up against the Holy Scriptures
Stop pursuing your own thing of pre-trib rapture which never came out of the Mouth of God
STOP rejoicing in a LIE and false righteousness
REJOICE in the TRUTH
When you do, His Love covers all things
When you do, you will believe all things that God has spoken
When you do your hope will be in Christ and not in men's false doctrine
When you do you will endure the Tribulation which is here now and will continue to grow.
His Love NEVER fails - walk in His love and embrace your Brother who is only speaking TRUTH

 

[MA2444]

This is how EVIL and DANGEROUS the heresy of pre-trib rapture is as it has snowballed into many lies against the Gospel.

Give us one example and show proof thru scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

Have you had any change of heart concerning your judgmental and superior attitude that you lord over others?

Today is the day you could begin to examine your heart for the source of these things. Remember, Bitter and sweet don't flow from the same source.

Much love!

SEE Post 911

Truth and lies do not come from the Mouth of God - God only speaks TRUTH

 

[David in NJ]

Give us one example and show proof thru scripture.

Examine the Holy Scriptures in Post 898

 

[MA2444]

Stop pursuing your own thing of pre-trib rapture which never came out of the Mouth of God
STOP rejoicing in a LIE and false righteousness

You dont know that. You cant know that, it is a secret of God. Jesus doesnt even know what date it will be.

You didnt watch the video I posted. Geez, it's only about 8 minutes long. See your not looking for truth, you only seek to control the narrative and confuse people.

 

[MA2444]

Examine the Holy Scriptures in Post 898

Go do research about it? You could have said no, lol.

 

[David in NJ]

Go do research about it? You could have said no, lol.

What are you saying = do research???

Have you no faith in the words of God? for that is where you need to research.

 

[David in NJ]

You dont know that. You cant know that, it is a secret of God. Jesus doesnt even know what date it will be.

You didnt watch the video I posted. Geez, it's only about 8 minutes long. See your not looking for truth, you only seek to control the narrative and confuse people.

JESUS says HE is Coming immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days = Matt 24:29-31

Why do you choose to reject the words of Christ and replace them with the words of sinful men?

 

[MA2444]

What are you saying = do research???

Have you no faith in the words of God? for that is where you need to research.

Sure I have faith in the word of God. So post your proof. I asked you now, not three pages ago. Can you do it?

 

[MA2444]

JESUS says HE is Comingh immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days = Matt 24:29-31

Why do you choose to reject the words of Christ and replace them with the words of sinful men?

What I am getting from your words is that, you read scripture carnally. That's a shame.

 

[David in NJ]

Sure I have faith in the word of God. So post your proof. I asked you now, not three pages ago. Can you do it?

i have given you scriptures many times before, YET, because you ask, here they are again

PLEASE find the pre-trib rapture verse in JESUS words below.

3Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.