Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[Spiritual Israelite]

Because pre-trib rapture is a lie and JESUS is WARNING everyone in Revelation chapter 22

pre-fibbers CHANGE the scriptures in many places so that they can worship their idol = very bad

Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

I'm obviously not arguing against any of that, but we just have to be careful about judging/condemning someone for believing pre-trib. I know pre-tribs who are just ignorant about end times scriptures, but they love Jesus and serve Him faithfully. Some of them really don't spend much time even thinking about end times scriptures. Maybe because they think it's over their head or something? Not sure.

 

[David in NJ]

I'm obviously not arguing against any of that, but we just have to be careful about judging/condemning someone for believing pre-trib. I know pre-tribs who are just ignorant about end times scriptures, but they love Jesus and serve Him faithfully. Some of them really don't spend much time even thinking about end times scriptures. Maybe because they think it's over their head or something? Not sure.

My Brother in Christ, you do not know the depth of evil that pre-trib rapture is and has done to the churches.

It is MUCH MORE then just saying 'pre-trib rapture'.

They CHANGE scripture in many many places and have also created a lie of "two gospels" = one for the Jew and one for the Gentile

Just think for a moment now: John McArthur, well known and respected as a Bible Teacher is telling people they can take the MARK

REMEDY - “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
REMEDY - Repentance from adding to God's words what HE never said.

 

[Taken]

pre-trib rapture is a lie and some will perish in that lie for they placed their trust in the words of men and not the LORD and His words

Noted…you do not believe in a pre-trib rapture….Others do and KNOW WHY.

Anyone can Hear / Read Scriptures…
Not Everyone receives Gods UNDERSTANDING.

No where “IN” “DURING” the LAST Tribulations SENT down from Heaven UPON the whole earth IS Christ or Christs Church present upon the face of the Earth…

Who ARE THEY?
Where ARE THEY?
1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


No where “IN” “DURING” the FIRST Tribulations SENT down from Heaven UPON the whole earth WAS God or Gods Faithful (Noah and 7 others) present upon the face of the Earth …

Where WERE THEY?
Gen 7
[17] And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

Not a mystery.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

LOL. Such nonsense that obviously isn't taught anywhere in scripture. Jesus is Christ. The Lord is God. You trying to differentiate like this is a complete joke.

God IS Omnipresent….when His own Approved WORD tells you HOW… it absolutely is YOUR prerogative to NOT believe Him.

Gods Seven Spirits each have purposes.
Gods Word, Jesus has a purpose.
Gods Power, Christ has a purpose.
Gods Wisdom, Christ has a purpose.
Gods Seed, Christ has a purpose.
Gods Lord, High Priest has a purpose.
Gods Lord, Teacher has a purpose.

It matters NOT God IS the same ONE God, if you are ignorant of the IDENTITY God established FOR His own SELF exercising Gods WILL, and Gods DESIRE for men to NOT be Ignorant and recognize what God Himself has established.

You promote yourself as Knowing what everyone in the whole world believes…
Laughable.

You fail to recognize…some believe IN Jesus, while they do not believe IN Jesus is the Christ…They SHALL be saved….They SHALL be risen by God…

And some heartfully believe IN Christ Jesus, and have “CONFESSED” their belief to the Lord….They ARE saved…They SHALL be risen by the Lord…

Now…IF IT BE your fate to be bodily alive during the last days tribulations….and ON the face of the earth….and YOUR HOPE to Become Saved….ENJOY the judgements….of quakes, fires, famines, deaths….mmmm….the delight of burning flesh (one of the most putrid smells ever)….

I’ll be in the AIR above the face of the Earth, with the Lord, and the rest of Christ’s Church….waiting for the wrath, destructive tribulation Judgements from Heaven to be completed…

Why complain and make false accusations…?
Everyone will GET WHAT THEY WANTED!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Bladerunner]

I already did that.

As I showed you, that was not the church....also look to Rev 1:20.."........ and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches." Not two candesticks from the OT......

 

[Bladerunner]

Unbelievers are thrown into the lake of fire after the thousand years (Revelation 20:15). You're arguing about whether pre-trib premil or post-trib premil is correct and neither are correct. Amillennialism is the only way to reconcile the fact that unbelievers are cast into the lake of fire when Jesus comes at the end of the age (Matt 13:40-43, Matt 13:47-50, Matt 25:31-46).

To believe in no milennium on earth, is to change, add, remove or further corrupt the WORD of GOD...You have to spirtualize, allegorize the Book of Revelation as well.......I read it a literal, historical, grammatical and all of Revelation is Chronological.

 

[MA2444]

My Brother in Christ, you do not know the depth of evil that pre-trib rapture is and has done to the churches.

Really? an you explain that a little further for us dummies?

It is MUCH MORE then just saying 'pre-trib rapture'.

Is that so? I'd like to hear more about that. From what I can tell, the main thing that pre tribbers do is to say, start watching for thr Lord's return before post trib...

How in the world could that be evil or dangerous? We're both saved, right? And I say watch for the Lord today, and you say, oh that's evil.

You'll have to explain how.

 

[Bladerunner]

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

Who else but those who are in the church "keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus"?

What about all those that receive the New Covenant? the OT Saints....the Tribulation Saints, those Gentiles who live through their 100 yr sanctification period in the millennium and of course the Remnant of Israel. These are all separate from the Church, yet they recieve the same....Throughout the Bible. Grace and Mercy has been Jesus' way for those that believed...The delivery system is simply different...In the OT...God Spoke to the People, showed them miracles and kept those who believed...All of these are the Elect of GOD.

 

[Bladerunner]

Really? an you explain that a little further for us dummies?



Is that so? I'd like to hear more about that. From what I can tell, the main thing that pre tribbers do is to say, start watching for thr Lord's return before post trib...

How in the world could that be evil or dangerous? We're both saved, right? And I say watch for the Lord today, and you say, oh that's evil.

You'll have to explain how.

One placques I have : reads----- "PERHAPS TODAY"

 

[ewq1938]

As I showed you, that was not the church...

The two candlesticks are the church very much here for the trib. The rapture is post-trib which is why the church is there during the trib.

 

[Bladerunner]

The two candlesticks are the church very much here for the trib. The rapture is post-trib which is why the church is there during the trib.

But you have not proven that.....I understand it is your opinion but it is not biblical, simple as that.

 

[Bladerunner]

One placques I have : reads----- "PERHAPS TODAY"

I watch every day and If I died before the Rapture happens, then I have lost nothing. I still get to be with Jesus Christ in Heaven...On the other hand, when the Rapture event happen and one is not looking for it, Like the five foolish virgins, the Lord will not know you.

 

[MA2444]

I'm obviously not arguing against any of that, but we just have to be careful about judging/condemning someone for believing pre-trib. I know pre-tribs who are just ignorant about end times scriptures, but they love Jesus and serve Him faithfully. Some of them really don't spend much time even thinking about end times scriptures. Maybe because they think it's over their head or something? Not sure.

Where did that come from?! Good on ya for saying that brother. Did the Lord put that on your heart?

He did me. He said some do not seek the truth but they seek to bicker as a distraction from the truth. So I have made efforts to not bicker with you guys and perhaps learn something for myself.

There might be hope for you yet! Bless you in our Lord Jesus.

 

[dad]

unbelievers call Scripture "spam" = You need to "work on that" at the Feet of JESUS

Spam is unconnected scripture randomly posted as if supporting a position. Example, if I am trying to support the idea that Jesus lived in Israel mostly, and the scripture I use to support that is 'Judas went and hanged himself' That is dishonest spamming. To then turn around in self righteous supposed indignation and claim that all who did not embrace the Judas scripture I posted were unbelievers that would be hypocritical, false and lying. Work on that

 

[ewq1938]

But you have not proven that.....I understand it is your opinion but it is not biblical, simple as that.

It is not opinion. A candlestick represents a Christian church. This is a known fact regarding the language of Rev. There are two of these Christian churches operating during the trib. It has never been true that the church is not found in most of the chapters of Rev.

 

[David in NJ]

Noted…you do not believe in a pre-trib rapture….Others do and KNOW WHY.

Anyone can Hear / Read Scriptures…
Not Everyone receives Gods UNDERSTANDING.

No where “IN” “DURING” the LAST Tribulations SENT down from Heaven UPON the whole earth IS Christ or Christs Church present upon the face of the Earth…

Who ARE THEY?
Where ARE THEY?
1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


No where “IN” “DURING” the FIRST Tribulations SENT down from Heaven UPON the whole earth WAS God or Gods Faithful (Noah and 7 others) present upon the face of the Earth …

Where WERE THEY?
Gen 7
[17] And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

Not a mystery.

Glory to God,
Taken

The Rapture is 100% TRUTH and it only occurs AFTER His Coming and the Resurrection.

ALL OT accounts are PRE-WRATH Deliverance as are the words of CHRIST in His Gospel and the Apostles

The world was in Great Tribulation when Noah was building the Ark = NOAH escaped the WRATH of GOD

Elijah and Israel in Great Tribulation when Elijah was POST-TRIB raptured.

You only believe in pre-trib because you were TOLD to do so.............and NOT by GOD

You do not know the depth of evil of the doctrine of pre-trib rapture as it opposes the LORD's words in every place in Scripture.

$1,000 USD to Missionaries overseas who are risking their lives if you can find just one "pre-trib"rapture Declaration.

 

[David in NJ]

Really? an you explain that a little further for us dummies?



Is that so? I'd like to hear more about that. From what I can tell, the main thing that pre tribbers do is to say, start watching for thr Lord's return before post trib...

How in the world could that be evil or dangerous? We're both saved, right? And I say watch for the Lord today, and you say, oh that's evil.

You'll have to explain how.

Really? an you explain that a little further for us dummies?

LOL x100 = you made my night Brother

What was the Greatest evil ever committed in the Bible???

 

[David in NJ]

Spam is unconnected scripture randomly posted as if supporting a position. Example, if I am trying to support the idea that Jesus lived in Israel mostly, and the scripture I use to support that is 'Judas went and hanged himself' That is dishonest spamming. To then turn around in self righteous supposed indignation and claim that all who did not embrace the Judas scripture I posted were unbelievers that would be hypocritical, false and lying. Work on that

3Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

15“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

23“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you beforehand.

26“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

36“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

 

[Taken]

The Rapture is 100% TRUTH and it only occurs AFTER His Coming and the Resurrection.

Curious………

Do you believe the Lord, Jesus, Christ, Lamb of God, Son of God, Son of Man, High Priest, God, Father, are all one and the SAME ONE SPIRIT Creator and Maker GOD?

Do you believe “THEY” ALL Have the SAME “thingS” to accomplish, “according to their Title / Name”? Or with no regard to their Title / Name?


Thanks,

Taken

 

[dad]

3Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

The issue here is the return of Christ to earth. Not the rapture. Why post this verse?

4And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

15“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

23“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you beforehand.

26“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

36“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Again, all about the second coming, not the Rapture. Why spam??