Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[Biblepaige]

Scripture is God's POV and obviously not yours!!!

Keep following your false teachers

Chuck Missler and Roger Oakland Exposed

Chuck Missler and Roger Oakland Exposed: Do Not be Unequally Yoked Together with Unbelievers It is with a very heavy heart that I re-post this article

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IMO,a false angry teacher is also revealing that fault when they resort to personal attack against someone who chooses to believe God,and not that false teacher.

God shall keep Chuck Missler in his eternal peace. A good and faithful servant. Selah

 

[David in NJ]

IMO,a false angry teacher is also revealing that fault when they resort to personal attack against someone who chooses to believe God,and not that false teacher.

God shall keep Chuck Missler in his eternal peace. A good and faithful servant. Selah

God says that you are only to believe His words = a true Holy Spirit filled teacher as myself, will only point you to Scripture.

In all my posts i warn everyone to NEVER add to God's words or SUBTRACT from them = Proverbs 30:5-6

Neither yourself or your teachers or pastors can post just one scripture that says 'pre-trib' rapture = not one!

Unfortunately it is you who started with the personal attacks = Posts 678 & 681

You did this after i AGREED with you in my Post #663 which shows you are lacking true love in Christ.

The Lord Jesus Christ wants you to believe His words only, but He will not force His Truth on you.

It is a choice all will make, One Way or the other.

 

[Biblepaige]

God says that you are only to believe His words = a true Holy Spirit filled teacher as myself, will only point you to Scripture.

In all my posts i warn everyone to NEVER add to God's words or SUBTRACT from them = Proverbs 30:5-6

Neither yourself or your teachers or pastors can post just one scripture that says 'pre-trib' rapture = not one!

Unfortunately it is you who started with the personal attacks = Posts 678 & 681

You did this after i AGREED with you in my Post #663 which shows you are lacking true love in Christ.

The Lord Jesus Christ wants you to believe His words only, but He will not force His Truth on you.

It is a choice all will make, One Way or the other.

It is my view a true holy Spirit filled teacher emulates Jesus.

While false pride filled angry people resort to personal attacks on others because others see that.

 

[dad]

Believe what JESUS says and do not alter/change/or add to His words = when you do, you will know TRUTH

We look at what you post and learn some truth about your theories

JESUS says: These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation;
but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33

NOTHING to do with the Great Tribulation. More spam

JESUS says: Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. - Matt ch24

Why post a verse about the return of Christ here? Random spam? What bearing does that have on the topic of discussion here?

Therefore, when we could no longer endure it, we thought it good to be left in Athens alone, and sent Timothy, our brother and minister of God, and our fellow laborer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you and encourage you concerning your faith, that no one should be shaken by these afflictions; for you yourselves know that we are appointed to this. For, in fact, we told you before when we were with you that we would suffer tribulation, just as it happened, and you know. For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain. -1 Thess ch3

Spamming another verse with the word tribulation in it is comically inept

We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God:
for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, - 2 Thess ch1

Yet another verse using the word tribulation that has ZERO relation to the time of trouble in the end. Dishonest.

I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ,
Revelation 1:9

Yet more dishonest unconnected spam. Get serious

 

[David in NJ]

It is my view a true holy Spirit filled teacher emulates Jesus.

While false pride filled angry people resort to personal attacks on others because others see that.

Well, stop being an angry teacher casting personal attacks.

 

[David in NJ]

We look at what you post and learn some truth about your theories

NOTHING to do with the Great Tribulation. More spam

Why post a verse about the return of Christ here? Random spam? What bearing does that have on the topic of discussion here?

Spamming another verse with the word tribulation in it is comically inept

Yet another verse using the word tribulation that has ZERO relation to the time of trouble in the end. Dishonest.

Yet more dishonest unconnected spam. Get serious

the only spam is the ham in pre-trib rapture

Dishonesty is speaking a lie = bearing false witness

JESUS never lies and therefore 'pre-trib rapture' never came out of His Mouth.

His Apostles never lied and therefore they never said pre-trib rapture.

You call the scriptures, which are the very words of God "spam" = that says it all right there!

 

[ewq1938]

Because you say so?

Because the verse that speaks of the revealing of the man of sin does not say the rapture happens before that revealing. Other scripture places the rapture at the second coming which comes immediately after the trib has ended, at the last/7th trump, just after the resurrection.

The trib, also called the GT, is the war against Christians by satan. That means the church is very much, and in it's entirety, upon the Earth and receiving the wrath of satan. That is the very purpose of the trib.

The Apostasia is Apostasy, Christians being deceived and leaving the faith. It is not departing in the rapture but departing away from Christ. That is the only meaning it has. It is false that Apostasia can mean a rapture. That belief is part of how the Apostasy happens.

 

[Bladerunner]

Doesn't happen at the opening of the 6th seal either since all the seals are visions of the futur

This is a very easy answer if you knew OT prophecy as well as the Book of Revelation.

What I was saying, how does the millennium get populated according to the Bible if the Rapture is Post trib. Think About it.

 

[Bladerunner]

the only spam is the ham in pre-trib rapture

Dishonesty is speaking a lie = bearing false witness

JESUS never lies and therefore 'pre-trib rapture' never came out of His Mouth.

His Apostles never lied and therefore they never said pre-trib rapture.

You call the scriptures, which are the very words of God "spam" = that says it all right there!

Is the word Trinity in the Bible, yet we know through it doctrines that there are three distinct persons of the Godhead. The Father, The Holy Spirit and The Son, Jesus Christ.

 

[Biblepaige]

Well, stop being an angry teacher casting personal attacks.

Allow please my edit of what should be your act of contrition .

I, David in NJ, shall stop being an angry teacher casting personal attacks.

And I pray our Father makes it so.

Enough of your games. Begone.

 

[dad]

the only spam is the ham in pre-trib rapture

So you believe that the gathering in the air of believers dead and alive is not before the tribulation. OK

Dishonesty is speaking a lie = bearing false witness

Glad you know what it is

JESUS never lies and therefore 'pre-trib rapture' never came out of His Mouth.

Post trib did?

His Apostles never lied and therefore they never said pre-trib rapture.

They said post? Quite an imagination.

You call the scriptures, which are the very words of God "spam" = that says it all right there!

I call people spamming off target verses rather than addressing the topic with Scripture spam. Work on that

 

[dad]

Because the verse that speaks of the revealing of the man of sin does not say the rapture happens before that revealing.

It says after?

Other scripture places the rapture at the second coming which comes immediately after the trib has ended, at the last/7th trump, just after the resurrection.

Except that is fantasy. Probably why you allude to scripture rather than posting it

The trib, also called the GT, is the war against Christians by satan.

It is also a war against Jews and people who refuse the mark etc etc. It is also wrath/judgment from God on the world

That means the church is very much, and in it's entirety, upon the Earth and receiving the wrath of satan.

? Just because you call the tribulation saints the church means squat actually.

That is the very purpose of the trib.

No, attacking a church God already rescued off the planet is not even a purpose let alone the purpose of the time period.

The Apostasia is Apostasy, Christians being deceived and leaving the faith. It is not departing in the rapture but departing away from Christ.

So what? Did you think that was a rapture verse or the only rapture verse?? Hilarious

 

[ewq1938]

What I was saying, how does the millennium get populated according to the Bible if the Rapture is Post trib. Think About it.

The people raptured are only gone to the clouds and that is for a short time. They return soon with Jesus, and there are many unsaved peoples who survive the wrath of God who are ruled over by a rod of iron so the Earth is going to be extremely populated maybe more than it is now.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

https://www.blueletterbible .org/kjv/rev/19/15/t_conc_1186015

https://biblehub .com/interlinear/revelation/19-15.htm

(remove the spaces before .com and .org in the two links)


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

 

[ewq1938]

It says after?

Yes.

Except that is fantasy. Probably why you allude to scripture rather than posting it

Alluding is valid since we all are familiar with the verses.

It is also a war against Jews and people who refuse the mark etc etc. It is also wrath/judgment from God on the world

No, it is written in the last verse of Rev 12 that the war is against those who follow Christ, which excludes non-believers like Jew unless they are Christian Jews of course. I assume alluding to and naming the verse is enough as opposed to copy and pasting it?

? Just because you call the tribulation saints the church means squat actually.

All; Christians who are valid Christians are the church. Your denial means squat.

No, attacking a church God already rescued off the planet is not even a purpose let alone the purpose of the time period.

Wrong, (same verse as I mentioned before).

So what? Did you think that was a rapture verse or the only rapture verse?? Hilarious

No, did you?? More hilarious.

 

[Bladerunner]

The people raptured are only gone to the clouds and that is for a short time. They return soon with Jesus, and there are many unsaved peoples who survive the wrath of God who are ruled over by a rod of iron so the Earth is going to be extremely populated maybe more than it is now.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

https://www.blueletterbible .org/kjv/rev/19/15/t_conc_1186015

https://biblehub .com/interlinear/revelation/19-15.htm

(remove the spaces before .com and .org in the two links)


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves ismortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

Nooooo....Revelation plainly states, after the Battle of Armegeddon is over, The sheep and Goat judgements starts. The sheep are believers and the goats are non-believers that are still alive at this time.. Here the Goats (unbelievers) are thrown into the Lake of Fire. If what you are saying is true, then God takes up the dead ( the believers in Christ) first and those who are alive will be taken in the air to be with Jesus for ever and ever...The problem here is that the church (if your words are true) along with all others who are still alive at this time,

The people raptured are only gone to the clouds and that is for a short time. They return soon with Jesus, and there are many unsaved peoples who survive the wrath of God who are ruled over by a rod of iron so the Earth is going to be extremely populated maybe more than it is now.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

https://www.blueletterbible .org/kjv/rev/19/15/t_conc_1186015

https://biblehub .com/interlinear/revelation/19-15.htm

(remove the spaces before .com and .org in the two links)


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

The problem with your version of the Post rapture world is this...Immediately after the Battle of Armegeddon, the sheep and goat Judgements are given by Jesus and the Goats (unbelievers) are thrown into the lake of fire...The sheep, (the church believers from before the tribulation, the tribulation saints, the ot saints and those that have managed to stay alive and believe in Jesus during Daniel's 70th week, will be caught up to heaven to be with Jesus forever. This leaves NO-ONE on earth for the 1,000 yrs (millennium) of the kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Yet, you still say this is right....????

 

[Bladerunner]

Nooooo....Revelation plainly states, after the Battle of Armegeddon is over, The sheep and Goat judgements starts. The sheep are believers and the goats are non-believers that are still alive at this time.. Here the Goats (unbelievers) are thrown into the Lake of Fire. If what you are saying is true, then God takes up the dead ( the believers in Christ) first and those who are alive will be taken in the air to be with Jesus for ever and ever...The problem here is that the church (if your words are true) along with all others who are still alive at this time,

The problem with your version of the Post rapture world is this...Immediately after the Battle of Armegeddon, the sheep and goat Judgements are given by Jesus and the Goats (unbelievers) are thrown into the lake of fire...The sheep, (the church believers from before the tribulation, the tribulation saints, the ot saints and those that have managed to stay alive and believe in Jesus during Daniel's 70th week, will be caught up to heaven to be with Jesus forever. This leaves NO-ONE on earth for the 1,000 yrs (millennium) of the kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Yet, you still say this is right....????

The people raptured are only gone to the clouds and that is for a short time. They return soon with Jesus, and there are many unsaved peoples who survive the wrath of God who are ruled over by a rod of iron so the Earth is going to be extremely populated maybe more than it is now.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

https://www.blueletterbible .org/kjv/rev/19/15/t_conc_1186015

https://biblehub .com/interlinear/revelation/19-15.htm

(remove the spaces before .com and .org in the two links)


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

See my previous post.....The Pre-trib Rapture, 2 Thes 2:1-4, 1 Cor 15:50-55, Rev 4:2), removes the Church (believers, both dead and alive) from the earth. At this time the Anti-christ will be made public and the events that follow (Rev 6:2) (the White Horse) will happen. P.s Jesus opens all of the events, thus they are His Wrath....The Church (believers dead and alive) is spoken about in Rev chapters 1-5 (19 times...from chapters 6 to 18, there is no mention of the church. In chapter 19, the Marriage of the Lamb to His Bride (the church) happens. These are the saints that He takes with Him to the Battle of Armegeddon, (Rev 19). So you see the Post Rapture cannot take place without disregarding, adding to, changing or removing the WORD.

 

[ewq1938]

Nooooo....Revelation plainly states, after the Battle of Armegeddon is over, The sheep and Goat judgements starts.

lol, except I just showed Rev 19 how it promises a future rule after Armageddon over the nations. I even showed you the verb tenses so you didn't have to look them up. You know how to do that right?

 

[ewq1938]

rom chapters 6 to 18, there is no mention of the church.

That's false. Pretrib always claims that but not one of you ever bothers to actually check if it's true.

The church is mentioned many times through the entire book. In Rev 11 the church is referred to as two candlesticks. You didn't know candlesticks were churches, part of the greater Church? Why didn't you know that? Who has been teaching you?

 

[Bladerunner]

lol, except I just showed Rev 19 how it promises a future rule after Armageddon over the nations. I even showed you the verb tenses so you didn't have to look them up. You know how to do that right?

Yes, you did but you are doing so under the assumption that the Church (His Body, Bride) will still be on earth. Rev 19 show the marriage supper ( indicative of the ancient Jewish Wedding). If you are trying to impress with verb tenses, don't even try.It does not work for the Literal, Historical, grammatical, synthetical interpretation is all that is needed for the reading of Revelation.

 

[Bladerunner]

That's false. Pretrib always claims that but not one of you ever bothers to actually check if it's true.

The church is mentioned many times through the entire book. In Rev 11 the church is referred to as two candlesticks. You didn't know candlesticks were churches, part of the greater Church? Why didn't you know that? Who has been teaching you?

Show me where the Church is used after Chapter 5 and before Chapter 19. just one will do. Yes, in Rev 11, the two witnesses (not part of the Church of Jesus Christ) are described in (Zechariah 4:2-3 and 4:14).

They are from the OT..Why didn't you know that? Who has been teaching you?

Grace be unto you!