Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[David in NJ]

I'll check it out when I get time. The strategy here for some posters is to desperately avoid calling the last years the wrath of God, but only the 20 minutes Jesus returns and destroys the wicked (or whatever time in a day that takes). That way they think they can say we do get appointed to stay here for the tribulation.

JESUS says you are here for Tribulation as did His Apostles.

When you study under pre-trib rapture you place yourself under a lie and you will not be able to SEE the Truth in the Scriptures concerning His Second Coming.

 

[dad]

the 5th Seal is only about His People = the Elect of God = Jew & Gentile in JESUS the MESSIAH

It is IMPOSSIBLE that His Wrath is being poured out on His Saints.

Complete nonsense because it is talking about a heaven scene with people killed in the tribulation are wondering how long before Jesus stops the wicked world leader etc. That does not mean the tribulation is not raging full force at that time. Your point is mooted totally. That is like coming to a sword fight with a noodle.

"wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come."

"For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,"

The Holy Spirit 'Bookended' 1 Thessalonians for us to SEE = no Wrath of God upon the Saints/Elect/Church

bookend /boo͝k′ĕnd″/

noun​

1. A prop placed at the end of a row of books to keep them upright.
2. A support placed at the end of a row of books to keep them upright (on a shelf or table).
3. A heavy object or moveable support placed at one or both ends of a row of books for the purpose of keeping them upright.

Dear Lord Jesus Christ, open my Brothers eyes that they may SEE your Truth and deliver then from the lie of pre-trib rapture

What point were you trying to make with the verses? The tribulation is the wrath to come. He does not need to deliver us from the vengeance Jesus wreaks on the wicked when He returns, because we are returning from heaven with Him!

 

[David in NJ]

I have witnessed the truth in teaching.

That which insists the church,all,will suffer God's wrath is false.

Though those not really in the church will suffer. Maybe that's what God is alerting them to when they think all regenerate reborn in Christ people will be here to suffer the wrath of God.

God doesn't deposit his wrath upon those whom he first saved by his grace.

That which insists the church,all,will suffer God's wrath is false.

You are ABSOLUTELT 1000% CORRECT = TRUTH

God doesn't deposit his wrath upon those whom he first saved by his grace.

You are ABSOLUTELT 1000% CORRECT= TRUTH

Look over Posts 655 & 657 for they AGREE with the TRUTH which you stated here.

SHALOM

 

[David in NJ]

Complete nonsense because it is talking about a heaven scene with people killed in the tribulation are wondering how long before Jesus stops the wicked world leader etc. That does not mean the tribulation is not raging full force at that time. Your point is mooted totally. That is like coming to a sword fight with a noodle.

What point were you trying to make with the verses? The tribulation is the wrath to come. He does not need to deliver us from the vengeance Jesus wreaks on the wicked when He returns, because we are returning from heaven with Him!

The tribulation is the wrath to come.

When anyone adds the lie of pre-trib rapture to the Gospel/ the Apostles Letters and to Revelation, it FAILS the TRUTH Test EVERYTIME

 

[dad]

When anyone adds the lie of pre-trib rapture to the Gospel/ the Apostles Letters and to Revelation, it FAILS the TRUTH Test EVERYTIME

When someone calls truth a lie they show that they are at best very confused. Especially when they cannot support their fantasy whatsoever with Scripture
You offered a verse looking at some martyrs in heaven during the tribulation as some sort of proof that the tribulation could not possibly be part of the wrath of God. Utterly disconnected from reality

 

[ewq1938]

I think so too. But what does that have to do with the Rapture happening before the AntiChrist is revealed?

There is no rapture before the AC is revealed.

 

[David in NJ]

When someone calls truth a lie they show that they are at best very confused. Especially when they cannot support their fantasy whatsoever with Scripture
You offered a verse looking at some martyrs in heaven during the tribulation as some sort of proof that the tribulation could not possibly be part of the wrath of God. Utterly disconnected from reality

You are the one calling JESUS a liar with imposing your sinful words upon His

JESUS says: I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

JESUS says: These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation;
but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

JESUS says: Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.


JESUS says: Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

You are also calling the Holy Apostles liars as well

Therefore, when we could no longer endure it, we thought it good to be left in Athens alone, and sent Timothy, our brother and minister of God, and our fellow laborer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you and encourage you concerning your faith, that no one should be shaken by these afflictions; for you yourselves know that we are appointed to this. For, in fact, we told you before when we were with you that we would suffer tribulation, just as it happened, and you know. For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.

We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God:
for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure,

pre-trib rapture the LIE that nevers stops LYING

 

[dad]

There is no rapture before the AC is revealed.

Because you say so?

 

[dad]

You are the one calling JESUS a liar with imposing your sinful words upon His

Easy on the false accusations, we know you lost here but that is no excuse.

JESUS says: I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

JESUS says: These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation;
but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

That has nothing to do with when the rapture is. Why spam verses??

JJESUS says: Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Many will be killed in the end time, explain why you posted the verse he3re, as if it somehow related to the issue at hand?

ESUS says: Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

You are also calling the Holy Apostles liars as well

Another spammed verse and false demonic accusation. Yes, right after the tribulation, Jesus returns. So..?

Therefore, when we could no longer endure it, we thought it good to be left in Athens alone, and sent Timothy, our brother and minister of God, and our fellow laborer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you and encourage you concerning your faith, that no one should be shaken by these afflictions; for you yourselves know that we are appointed to this. For, in fact, we told you before when we were with you that we would suffer tribulation, just as it happened, and you know. For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.

Is that really the name of your game here, to look for anytime the word tribulation is used and then misapply it?

We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God:
for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure,

pre-trib rapture the LIE that nevers stops LYING

So that is your game! Along with head spinning demonic false accusations. Lovely

 

[dad]

JESUS says you are here for Tribulation as did His Apostles.

And you accuse others of lying!!? Weird. I see you never even spammed a grossly off topic verse there for pretend support

 

[David in NJ]

Easy on the false accusations, we know you lost here but that is no excuse.

That has nothing to do with when the rapture is. Why spam verses??

Many will be killed in the end time, explain why you posted the verse he3re, as if it somehow related to the issue at hand?

Another spammed verse and false demonic accusation. Yes, right after the tribulation, Jesus returns. So..?

Is that really the name of your game here, to look for anytime the word tribulation is used and then misapply it?

So that is your game! Along with head spinning demonic false accusations. Lovely

You will be Judged by your words which are antichrist.

 

[David in NJ]

And you accuse others of lying!!? Weird. I see you never even spammed a grossly off topic verse there for pretend support

You will be Judged by your words which are from your fleshly mind of sin.

 

[dad]

You will be Judged by your words which are antichrist.

More weird false accusations. If you had any support for your position we would have seen it. Instead we saw embarrassing spam and disjointed logic along with of course the wild false dark accusations.

 

[dad]

You will be Judged by your words which are from your fleshly mind of sin.

Glad you exposed yourself by digressing into outright accusing of the saints. I can see why you gave up pretending you had a bible supported position.

 

[David in NJ]

Glad you exposed yourself by digressing into outright accusing of the saints. I can see why you gave up pretending you had a bible supported position.

your post with your false accusations =post 665

You will be judged by your own words.

 

[dad]

your post with your false accusations =post 665

You will be judged by your own words.

Sorry you could not recognize the truth. Maybe regroup and try to get your act together and get back to us with something resembling more of a cohesive case. As it stands, for one thing you have not limited the wrath of God to a few hours when Jesus returns. Sorry, not even close.

 

[David in NJ]

Sorry you could not recognize the truth. Maybe regroup and try to get your act together and get back to us with something resembling more of a cohesive case. As it stands, for one thing you have not limited the wrath of God to a few hours when Jesus returns. Sorry, not even close.

Believe what JESUS says and do not alter/change/or add to His words = when you do, you will know TRUTH

JESUS says: These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation;
but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33

JESUS says: Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. - Matt ch24


Therefore, when we could no longer endure it, we thought it good to be left in Athens alone, and sent Timothy, our brother and minister of God, and our fellow laborer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you and encourage you concerning your faith, that no one should be shaken by these afflictions; for you yourselves know that we are appointed to this. For, in fact, we told you before when we were with you that we would suffer tribulation, just as it happened, and you know. For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain. -1 Thess ch3

We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God:
for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, - 2 Thess ch1

I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ,
Revelation 1:9

 

[Biblepaige]

You are ABSOLUTELT 1000% CORRECT = TRUTH


You are ABSOLUTELT 1000% CORRECT= TRUTH

Look over Posts 655 & 657 for they AGREE with the TRUTH which you stated here.

SHALOM

What you propose as truth is not the same as what is scriptures proof of God's words of truth.

Please don't push your pov to me. I follow scripture rightly understood and applied.

Thanks.

God Bless

 

[David in NJ]

What you propose as truth is not the same as what is scriptures proof of God's words of truth.

Please don't push your pov to me. I follow scripture rightly understood and applied.

Thanks.

God Bless

If you follow Scripture you would KNOW that pre-trib NEVER came out of God's Mouth and it is a complete LIE.

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[David in NJ]

What you propose as truth is not the same as what is scriptures proof of God's words of truth.

Please don't push your pov to me. I follow scripture rightly understood and applied.

Thanks.

God Bless

Scripture is God's POV and obviously not yours!!!

Keep following your false teachers

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