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[Spiritual Israelite]

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Who is "ye" that Peter was speaking to ?

Peter was speaking about that specific group of Christians of his day.

Doug, your reasoning is complete nonsense. Should we interpret any references in scripture to the church as not relating to us since they were made directly to the church existing at that time? Or should we understand that any messages directed to the church at that time still apply today? Your constant attempts to manipulate scripture to make it say what you want it to say are sad.

 

[tailgator]

That claim contradicts Jesus' claim that the Kingdom of God would be taken from one people and located with another people. It apparently does the opposite of what you claim?

If you will read the book of Ezekiel you will notice that the glory of God moves from one place to another. It actually can be seen to move away from God's Temple in Jerusalem as idolatry is found among the priests and among the people. It is a preparation for judgment. God moves away from His people, annulling His covenant of protection from them so that they may be judged and removed from the land.

Both things can be true, that people from around the world can come to the Kingdom of heaven and that the Kingdom can be removed from one people and transferred to another people. The Kingdom of heaven exists in one place in heaven and in a number of places on earth because at different times different parts of the earth make themselves worthy of it.

The Roman State adopted Christianity nominally. That means that Christianity had become the chosen religion for the empire.

That does not mean, however, that all of the people within that empire live proper Christian lives. With a strong majority supporting Christian standards it can be said that God's Kingdom resides there, if only temporarily.

It was the same way with Israel. God's Kingdom resided there for a time, at times suffering a bad king, along with divine judgment, and at other times enjoying a good king and God's blessings. This is Scriptural truth--not mere attempts at defining what God's Kingdom can and cannot do.

Then you believe Jesus contradicts Jesus.

Jesus was very clear,many will come from.the east and west and shall sit down with Abraham in the kingdom of heaven.

I recon you won't be one of them seeing you don't know which way to go.

 

[tailgator]

That's not connecting the dots though.

These are two different prophecies.

Much love!

It's talking about the same kingdom of heaven.
A lot of people will be cast out of it when Jesus comes.

Mathew 13:41
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Guess who is going to be cast into a blazing furnace.Israels religious leaders for one.Its government for another and everyone who receives its mark.

 

[marks]

It's talking about the same kingdom of heaven.

Just to make sure I understand what you are presenting, you are saying that the beast at the end of the age will be ruling over the kingdom of heaven, is that correct?

Much love!

 

[marks]

It's talking about the same kingdom of heaven.
A lot of people will be cast out of it when Jesus comes.

Mathew 13:41
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Guess who is going to be cast into a blazing furnace.Israels religious leaders for one.Its government for another and everyone who receives its mark.

Jesus is returning to rescue Israel, and all Israel will believe in Jesus when He comes, and so all Israel will be saved. No matter what you think of Israel right now, or it's leadership or government, even so, this is true.

Zechariah 14, Matthew 24, Ezekiel 36, 39, many more make this very clear.

So to determine that Israel is the fourth beast conflicts with a number of clearly stated passages of what happens when Jesus comes. Jesus doesn't come to destroy Israel, He comes to save Israel.

Much love!

 

[TribulationSigns]

You never answered the first question.

Stop lying. You did not ask me question directly before I posted my first response to your post below:

Oh ,there is very much a prophecy .
It's found in the book of Daniel.

Daniel shows who exactly the kingdom of God is taken from and who exactly it is given to for an everlasting possession.

Mathew 21:43
Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

First, do you even know what fruit the kingdom's people produce?

Regardless of your kingdom interpretation in Daniel, that is not the point. The point is do you even know what fruit the Lord talked about that people PRODUCE in Matthew 21:43. Quit playing games and answer the question honestly.

 

[IndianaRob]

Jesus is returning to rescue Israel, and all Israel will believe in Jesus when He comes, and so all Israel will be saved. No matter what you think of Israel right now, or it's leadership or government, even so, this is true.

Zechariah 14, Matthew 24, Ezekiel 36, 39, many more make this very clear.

So to determine that Israel is the fourth beast conflicts with a number of clearly stated passages of what happens when Jesus comes. Jesus doesn't come to destroy Israel, He comes to save Israel.

Much love!

Amos 8 is pretty clear that he was done with nation of Israel forever in Amos. How do you reconcile that?


Amo 8:1 Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit.


Amo 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more

 

[TribulationSigns]

The kingdom of God does not move from.onevlocation to another.

See. The problem with you is when you hear the word “kingdom,” you imagine an area of land or territory controlled by a royal official. And while this was certainly part of the ancient imagination that gave birth to the idea of “the kingdom of God,” it cannot fully encompass it. The truth is the kingdom is not a place, really. Do you realize that the kingdom of God has moved from Jerusalem to the hearts of the Saints all over the world? It's in the Scripture. Look it up.

 

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Amos 8 is pretty clear that he was done with nation of Israel forever in Amos. How do you reconcile that?

Let's see if that is the whole story . . .

Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

And Amos echoes this intent of God's,

Amos 9:14-15 KJV
14) And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15) And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

Much like Ezekiel,

Ezekiel 39:27-29 KJV
27) When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28) Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29) Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

And more . . . Jesus also prophesied that Israel would remain, and be rescued, and be saved in that day.

Much love!

 

[IndianaRob]

Let's see if that is the whole story . . .

Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

And Amos echoes this intent of God's,

Amos 9:14-15 KJV
14) And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15) And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

Much like Ezekiel,

Ezekiel 39:27-29 KJV
27) When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28) Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29) Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

And more . . . Jesus also prophesied that Israel would remain, and be rescued, and be saved in that day.

Much love!

Amos 8 is part of the story, the part that deals with the "enemies of the gospel", the flesh descendants of Israel. Amos 9 and Jeremiah and Ezekiel deal with the Israel of God, the elect.

Amos 8 is a prophecy of God taking the kingdom from the wicked Jews and giving it to the righteous Jews.

 

[marks]

Amos 8 is part of the story, the part that deals with the "enemies of the gospel", the flesh descendants of Israel. Amos 9 and Jeremiah and Ezekiel deal with the Israel of God, the elect.

Thank you for clarifying your view for me! This helps.

I'd reply to you that the promise God made through Jeremiah was very plainly "the seed of Israel", the House of Judah, the House of Israel, this is the ethnic people in that day. So any concept of what "the Israel of God" means in Galatians, whether that be the church in general, of the Israelites who believed, that has no bearing on God's promise to those people at that time, concerning their descendants.

This was an irrevocable promise by God.

Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Why would God cast them off? Nothing they can do would make that happen. If the sun rose this morning, you can rest assured that God has not cast off the seed of Israel, according to His word to them through His prophet.

Much love!

 

[IndianaRob]

Thank you for clarifying your view for me! This helps.

I'd reply to you that the promise God made through Jeremiah was very plainly "the seed of Israel", the House of Judah, the House of Israel, this is the ethnic people in that day. So any concept of what "the Israel of God" means in Galatians, whether that be the church in general, of the Israelites who believed, that has no bearing on God's promise to those people at that time, concerning their descendants.

This was an irrevocable promise by God.

Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Why would God cast them off? Nothing they can do would make that happen. If the sun rose this morning, you can rest assured that God has not cast off the seed of Israel, according to His word to them through His prophet.

Much love!

In Jeremiah 31:36 which seed of Israel is Jeremiah talking about, the spiritual seed or the earthly seed?

Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

 

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In Jeremiah 31:36 which seed of Israel is Jeremiah talking about, the spiritual seed or the earthly seed?

Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Having just addressed the same people as "the house of Israel", and "the house of Judah", these were the material terrestrial kingdoms in that day. These are the Israelites, the descendants of Jacob.

Again, there are a great many very specific prophecies concerning this.

Much love!

 

[TribulationSigns]

And more . . . Jesus also prophesied that Israel would remain, and be rescued, and be saved in that day.

Not true.

When it comes to God's Word, better to let God's (inerrant) word interpret itself...and check with CONTEXT!! Exhibit A:

Amos 9:11-15

• "In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
• That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
• Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
• And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
• And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God."

This all may appear to be a very literal prophesy, but a scholarly study of Scripture would reveal God's word declares this all fulfilled by the death and resurrection of Christ, which your sect rejects as fulfilled because it contradicts their personal/private interpretations of "bringing back the captivity" of the people to a piece of land in Israel. Nevertheless, God's word is clear on the matter:

Acts 15:124-16

• "Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
• And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
• Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
• And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
• After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
• That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things."

Dispensationalism notwithstanding, God's Word clearly says this pertained to the New Covenant church and it has been fulfilled. The people of Israel on this side of the Cross are GENTILES! It is them who will build Christ's spiritual house called Israel! Yet these truths are heavily redacted in the writings of Dispensationalism because it doesn't fit the Dispensationalist mantra of a literal earthly restoration, rebuilding, freeing of captivity, rebuilding of the tabernacle, or the Jews returning to the Lord. That is to say, Jews under their personal definition of Jews, not God's. Selah

 

[IndianaRob]

Having just addressed the same people as "the house of Israel", and "the house of Judah", these were the material terrestrial kingdoms in that day. These are the Israelites, the descendants of Jacob.

Again, there are a great many very specific prophecies concerning this.

Much love!

Isn’t the context, according to Jeremiah 31:32 the Israel of the new covenant?

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah

 

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Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah

This is who God addressed with these promises. So that's who gets them.

Much love!

 

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The people of Israel on this side of the Cross are GENTILES!

Are you hearing yourself?

Regardless, having given the Scriptures, I'll leave you to it, you won't convince me to disbelieve these plainly stated iron clad promises of God. I'm not in the habit of doing that.

Much love!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Are you hearing yourself?

Regardless, having given the Scriptures, I'll leave you to it, you won't convince me to disbelieve these plainly stated iron clad promises of God. I'm not in the habit of doing that.

Much love!

No. You only offered a verse OUT OF CONTEXT. The context I quoted clearly stated who Christ talked about. Gentiles! The Church! Not national Israel nor literal temple in the Middle East. It is a spiritual temple made up of Gentiles (and Jews who heard the Gospel). You remain refuted. Selah!

 

[Randy Kluth]

Then you believe Jesus contradicts Jesus.

Jesus was very clear,many will come from.the east and west and shall sit down with Abraham in the kingdom of heaven.

I recon you won't be one of them seeing you don't know which way to go.

I of course know where I'm going. You apparently do not understand the argument, that there is a Kingdom of God in heaven and also a Kingdom of God on the earth.

 

[IndianaRob]

This is who God addressed with these promises. So that's who gets them.

Much love!

So are you saying that the Jews that reject the new covenant, which means they reject Jesus Christ, are the Israel of God?