Passover vs Eucharist

[Marymog]

NO he didn't as Jesus would not have told them to do something that was contrary to Jewish Law.

Jesus CLEARLY told them they had to eat his body and drink his blood soooooooo CLEARLY he did tell them to do something that was...what you believe.....contrary to Jewish Law.

The disciples that were offended by what He said question him and walked away. They couldn’t fathom eating his body and drinking his blood and maybe even, as you suggested, they rejected him because they knew it was against Jewish Law. Here we are 2,000 years later and you are questioning Him, rejecting him and walking away just like they did....how sad.

Mary

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I believe I have answered your question multiple times in multiple different ways. I sincerely do not know what else to say or how to say it. Your quoting of multiple passages from Scripture does not cancel out other passages of Scripture.

If you want to ignore the fact that Jesus said we MUST eat his body and drink his blood and then he showed us how to do it then ignore what he said. I refuse to ignore him....I will not join you in walking away like the disciples in John 6:66 did.

Good luck to ya’.....Mary

1. It is obvious you did not read my post. I ases since you agree with me what it means another question. Can you answer that?
2. I did not walk away, Like peter I understood. Jesus had the words of eternal life. I gnawed and chewed on those words and Jesus commanded, And also came to know he had the words of eternal life. And in taking them, I myself have been givel everything Jesus promised in John 6.

Your idea that Jesus showed us how to do it is false.. In saying it is, you in reality, are doing like the others and walking away from the true food. Because if you ate the true food. You would HAVE in possession what Jesus promised you would have. You would not continue to try to gain it by continuing a food. which jesus said would NEVER PERISH.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, I believe everything He says. Do you?

Then why do you

1. Think you can still die?
2. Think you must continually eat a food jesus said would ENDURE to eternal life?
3. Think the food that Jesus said in John 6 will give EVERYONE who eats eternal life. is the same food that Jesus said in the last supper must be taken often, not for eternal life. But to remember him? (a different context)?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I agree....here we go again. I asked you several questions and you didn’t answer. INSTEAD you ask me a question.

So you think you are eternally secure in christ having eaten his flesh the bread from heaven?

yes or no?

Because from what I read. Your answer is no..

I have answered your questions. Please stop saying things which are not true

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I do not understand why you, and other Christians, take one passage from Scripture and treat it as a stand alone teaching.

When reading ALL of Scripture and taking ALL of it into context about sinning or loosing faith or what it takes to go to hell YES one can die spiritually. There are conditions to one never dieing.

I encourage you to read ALL of Scripture and take it into context!

I do not understand how you can read the words of jesus where he made a promise which if everlasting, and not take Jesus at his word.

Jesus as much as made the same promises in John 3, John 4, John 5, and other passages, so it is not just one part.

Your trying to force this food which endures forever for life with a food which is taken often to remember him. as the same food.

they are not.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What a bizarre comparison. You are comparing Jesus promise to the promise of a medical doctor. That makes zero sense.

I believe Jesus...Your questioning him. I don’t know why.

So Jesus is not the great physician who came to heal those who are sick (spiritually)?

Of course it makes zero sense to you

Because you are not open to any thinking you may be wrong.

Jesus offered the food which he promised would endure forever.

Your church and others like it are offering food which I must continually eat week after week yet will not give me what Jesus said EVERYONE who eats WILL RECEIVE.

 

[Marymog]

1. It is obvious you did not read my post. I ases since you agree with me what it means another question. Can you answer that?
2. I did not walk away, Like peter I understood. Jesus had the words of eternal life. I gnawed and chewed on those words and Jesus commanded, And also came to know he had the words of eternal life. And in taking them, I myself have been givel everything Jesus promised in John 6.

Your idea that Jesus showed us how to do it is false.. In saying it is, you in reality, are doing like the others and walking away from the true food. Because if you ate the true food. You would HAVE in possession what Jesus promised you would have. You would not continue to try to gain it by continuing a food. which jesus said would NEVER PERISH.

1. No, it's not obvious. I read you post(s) and refuted every single one of them with Scripture.

2. Yes, you did walk away. Jesus told his disciples that they need to eat his body and drink his blood. They walked away upon hearing this. 'Gnawing and chewing on the words of Jesus' is not what he meant when he spoke those words so in effect you walked away. That makes absolutely ZERO sense and in NO WAY is in context with Scripture.. Your theory has many flaws but I know there is no way I am going to coax you out of that heretical teaching.

The biggest hole in your 'chewing and gnawing' theory comes from the writings of Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:16. Paul made it clear that we participate in the body/blood of Christ in the bread/wine. Who did Paul go to when he wanted to make sure he was not teaching a different doctrine than the Apostles? He went to Peter. Sooooo your "peter understood' theory falls flat since Peter did not rebuke Paul's teaching

If you knew your own Christian history you would know that the writings from the 1st and 2nd century Christians did not teach what you believe. Ignatius of Antioch who was a disciple and co-worker of St John the Apostle and his writings support what I am telling you to be true. So should I believe all of them or should I believe you and your theory? Ignatius was wrong but you are right????

Who taught you the 'chewing and gnawing' theory? When did it become popular?


Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Then why do you

1. Think you can still die?
2. Think you must continually eat a food jesus said would ENDURE to eternal life?
3. Think the food that Jesus said in John 6 will give EVERYONE who eats eternal life. is the same food that Jesus said in the last supper must be taken often, not for eternal life. But to remember him? (a different context)?

Tsk tsk....I asked you a question kiddo and you didn't answer:

Yes, I believe everything He says. Do you?

 

[Marymog]

I have answered your questions. Please stop saying things which are not true

No, you haven't answered the questions. Sooooo what I said is true AND I will re-post the question that you failed to answer:

Did He have to repeat at the Last Supper what He said in John 6? Or do you think the Apostles were so stupid they didn’t get the connection so He should have repeated it? If He would have repeated it would you be convinced then?

Patient Mary

 

[Marymog]

Your trying to force this food which endures forever for life with a food which is taken often to remember him. as the same food.

they are not.

Yup, so says you.

Your theory suggest that 2,000 years of Christian teaching is wrong and you are right....simply fascinating.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

1. No, it's not obvious. I read you post(s) and refuted every single one of them with Scripture.

2. Yes, you did walk away. Jesus told his disciples that they need to eat his body and drink his blood. They walked away upon hearing this. 'Gnawing and chewing on the words of Jesus' is not what he meant when he spoke those words so in effect you walked away. That makes absolutely ZERO sense and in NO WAY is in context with Scripture.. Your theory has many flaws but I know there is no way I am going to coax you out of that heretical teaching.

The biggest hole in your 'chewing and gnawing' theory comes from the writings of Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:16. Paul made it clear that we participate in the body/blood of Christ in the bread/wine. Who did Paul go to when he wanted to make sure he was not teaching a different doctrine than the Apostles? He went to Peter. Sooooo your "peter understood' theory falls flat since Peter did not rebuke Paul's teaching

If you knew your own Christian history you would know that the writings from the 1st and 2nd century Christians did not teach what you believe. Ignatius of Antioch who was a disciple and co-worker of St John the Apostle and his writings support what I am telling you to be true. So should I believe all of them or should I believe you and your theory? Ignatius was wrong but you are right????

Who taught you the 'chewing and gnawing' theory? When did it become popular?


Curious Mary

1. I told you. I ate his flesh 40 years ago. So please stop saying I walked away
2. Histroy in the 1st and second century is unreliable. The catholic church burned any writings which they considered heretical. And anything which spoke against the eucharist would have been deemed as heresy. You need to read your own history Or better yet, Stop listening to history written by men, And read th words of God written in his logos.
2. A hear the terms gnaw and chew from a catholic I was discussing with a few years ago. The word "eat" in the Greek is the word Trogo, which means to gnaw or chew. Which means it does not say just TASTE, or to sample. But to actually chew up the food. to gnaw on it to make sure you get everything which is included in it.

so yes, You can thank a catholic.. If it was not for that, I would never come up to what it really means..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Tsk tsk....I asked you a question kiddo and you didn't answer:

Which one did I not answer

Yes, I believe everything He says. Do you?

then why do you think you can still die? Have you eaten his flesh or not?

 

[Marymog]

Jesus offered the food which he promised would endure forever.

Your church and others like it are offering food which I must continually eat week after week yet will not give me what Jesus said EVERYONE who eats WILL RECEIVE.

Yes, He did make that offer.

Yes, you must eat it week after week because he said "do this in remembrance of me" and that is what the biblical Christians practiced because that is what they were taught. If you don't do it.....you are not doing what he said and what was taught. It seems you feel comfortable not doing what He said to do.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, you haven't answered the questions. Sooooo what I said is true AND I will re-post the question that you failed to answer:

Did He have to repeat at the Last Supper what He said in John 6? Or do you think the Apostles were so stupid they didn’t get the connection so He should have repeated it? If He would have repeated it would you be convinced then?

Patient Mary

As I have said OVER AND OVER (once again, you keep accusing of things which is not true

if the flesh in John 6 is the same as the flesh at the last supper. then YES, The promises that Jesus made in John 6 would have to be confirmed.

If jesus said WHOEVER eats his flesh will NEVER DIE

then he would never say to continue to eat often.

those are contradictory things

Either you eat it and you life forever as promised. Or God lied.

The issue is not the lords supper. we both agree, Jesus said take eat. and do this often in remembrance of him

This issue is IS it the same flesh.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yup, so says you.

Your theory suggest that 2,000 years of Christian teaching is wrong and you are right....simply fascinating.

If this is your only argument I will move on, because you have FAILED to give me any reason to believe you

Those who control history write it. If you want to follow men, then feel free..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, He did make that offer.

It was not an offer it was a promise

Yes, you must eat it week after week

Then he lied, because it is no better than manna, where people eat of it and still die.

because he said "do this in remembrance of me" and that is what the biblical Christians practiced because that is what they were taught. If you don't do it.....you are not doing what he said and what was taught. It seems you feel comfortable not doing what He said to do.

Yes, in the ceremony of the lords supper

That is not what jesus was promising in John 6, He was promising EVERYONE who ATE would NEVER DIE

He never said do it in remembrance of him.. That was not the purpose of his words. His purpose was tp get the people who anted a free handout to seek for the real food which endures frever.

 

[Marymog]

1. I told you. I ate his flesh 40 years ago. So please stop saying I walked away
2. Histroy in the 1st and second century is unreliable. The catholic church burned any writings which they considered heretical. And anything which spoke against the eucharist would have been deemed as heresy. You need to read your own history Or better yet, Stop listening to history written by men, And read th words of God written in his logos.
2. A hear the terms gnaw and chew from a catholic I was discussing with a few years ago. The word "eat" in the Greek is the word Trogo, which means to gnaw or chew. Which means it does not say just TASTE, or to sample. But to actually chew up the food. to gnaw on it to make sure you get everything which is included in it.

so yes, You can thank a catholic.. If it was not for that, I would never come up to what it really means..

1. Ummmmm......he didn't say eat it once and your done. He said do this in remembrance of me AND His students (the Apostles) taught the early Church that it was an ongoing ceremony....not a one time deal. Sooooooo who's teaching should I listen to? Your teaching or the teachings of the Apostles?

2. Oh, I was wondering how you would twist your way out of and get around what the Church and Christians have taught/practiced for 2,000 years.....IT'S UNRELIABLE!!!! But the historical writings of the men of the Reformation ARE reliable????? Wow.....You now have me convinced. ;)

Thank you for your time I believe our discussion has run it's course.

 

[Marymog]

If this is your only argument I will move on, because you have FAILED to give me any reason to believe you

Those who control history write it. If you want to follow men, then feel free..

Right.....and who came up with the theory that you are putting forth? Aliens???

 

[Eternally Grateful]

1. Ummmmm......he didn't say eat it once and your done. He said do this in remembrance of me AND His students (the Apostles) taught the early Church that it was an ongoing ceremony....not a one time deal. Sooooooo who's teaching should I listen to? Your teaching or the teachings of the Apostles?

Those words are not found in john 6. so your wrong

2. Oh, I was wondering how you would twist your way out of and get around what the Church and Christians have taught/practiced for 2,000 years.....IT'S UNRELIABLE!!!! But the historical writings of the men of the Reformation ARE reliable????? Wow.....You now have me convinced. ;)

Thank you for your time I believe our discussion has run it's course.

If you need this to prove you are right, you no better than the jews who used that same argument to prove Christ wrong

If you studied maybe you would see this.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Right.....and who came up with the theory that you are putting forth? Aliens???

yeah this is real nice christlike conversation

Your getting prideful now.. It will hurt your case.