OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Jack]

I never found that part you're referring to, where God only rewards the wise guys who find the narrow gate. You haven't said anything about why these "FEW" find it and why the rest of the billions who were drowned and burned never could find it.

The God of the Bible is not a monster, but you Arminians make Him a monster because you can't stand the fact that He chose to save some and leave others dead in their trespasses and sin.

I don't know why God chose to save me, before He created the world. All I do know is that He never revealed His private business to fallen man. I'm just eternally grateful that He chose to save me. so your problem is not with me, but it's with Gods Sovereignty, over all things including who is saved and who is left in their condemned state.

Ephesians 1:4
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

Please show me where your choice, wisdom and ability to save yourself and keep ypourself saved fits in with the above verses of Gods Word.

Why do you preach OSAS?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Why do you preach OSAS?

To be popular and to get that warm and fuzzy feeling that comes from tickling people's ears of course... not to mention ear tickling keeps the offerings coming in and sells more books and DVDs

 

[Jack]

To be popular and to get that warm and fuzzy feeling that comes from tickling people's ears of course... not to mention ear tickling keeps the offerings coming in and sells more books and DVDs

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Bingo!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Bingo!

That's one bingo I really wish was not a thing...

I used to go to a church that taught this tripe and the Lord hit me with the revelation that OSAS was not biblical about 15 years ago and started proving it was false doctrine in His Word... so I had to get out of that church

I've visited numerous other churches in the area and they're all just as bad or worse

 

[Christian Soldier]

I never said nor implied that Jesus is a liar.

Amen! All of that is true. But OSAS isn't.

Sure I will. Jesus said "STRIVE to enter in"!

How does "Strive to enter in" cancel out what Phil 1:6 teaches, where it confirms that OSAS was taught by Jesus. In Phil 1:6 Jesus makes it crystal clear that He is the One who saves a person and He is the One who keeps the person saved. It has nothing to do with your wisdom or ability to save yourself and keep ourself saved.

Your Shepherd has failed to teach you the true gospel, he has instead taught you the man made, works gospel which is not able to save anyone. You are in for a rude shock on that day when you will hear Jesus say, "depart from Me, for I never knew you".

 

[Christian Soldier]

If Jesus preached OSAS I will be fine! But He didn't! Why do you preach OSAS?

You will not be fine at all, people who reject what Jesus said are condemned to an eternal hell. You're only fooling yourself. The entire Bible is about the Lord Jesus Christ, from cover to cover and if you believe what Gods Word says, then you would believe that it's Jesus who saves His elect and it is Jesus who keeps His elect saved for all eternity.

You haven't provided a single scripture to support your man made works based false gospel, which is in fact nothing more than the doctrine of Demons.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Why do you preach OSAS?

I preach it because Jesus preached it and He is the truth, not your Demonic Arminian, man made false gospel.

 

[Jack]

How does "Strive to enter in" cancel out what Phil 1:6 teaches, where it confirms that OSAS was taught by Jesus. In Phil 1:6 Jesus makes it crystal clear that He is the One who saves a person and He is the One who keeps the person saved. It has nothing to do with your wisdom or ability to save yourself and keep ourself saved.

Your Shepherd has failed to teach you the true gospel, he has instead taught you the man made, works gospel which is not able to save anyone. You are in for a rude shock on that day when you will hear Jesus say, "depart from Me, for I never knew you".

That doesn't teach OSAS at all.

 

[Jack]

You will not be fine at all, people who reject what Jesus said are condemned to an eternal hell. You're only fooling yourself.

I believe everything Jesus said! He said STRIVE to enter into God's eternal Kingdom! It sure isn't saying STRIVE to be saved. It's clearly referring to STRIVE to stay saved!

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

Clearly disproving OSAS!

The entire Bible is about the Lord Jesus Christ, from cover to cover and if you believe what Gods Word says, then you would believe that it's Jesus who saves His elect and it is Jesus who keeps His elect saved for all eternity.

You haven't provided a single scripture to support your man made works based false gospel, which is in fact nothing more than the doctrine of Demons.

OSASers are some of the most judgmental people on Earth! No OSAS in the Bible!

 

[Jack]

I preach it because Jesus preached it and He is the truth, not your Demonic Arminian, man made false gospel.

I think OSASers are trying to convince each other.

 

[Jack]

I preach it because Jesus preached it and He is the truth, not your Demonic Arminian, man made false gospel.

Why would Jesus teach OSAS???????? Doesn't make a bit of sense!

 

[GracePeace]

I preach it because Jesus preached it and He is the truth, not your Demonic Arminian, man made false gospel.

For your consideration : the more general categories of "Monergistic" and "Synergistic" may be more convenient, because they cover broader swathes, because "Arminian" is a subset of "Synergist", but the Orthodox and Roman Catholics are also
"Synergists", but I don't think they would call themselves "Arminian".

 

[David Lamb]

Why would Jesus teach OSAS???????? Doesn't make a bit of sense!

I suppose it depends on precisely what you mean by "Once saved, Always Saved." If it means that when Jesus saves a sinner, granting him or her eternal life, He will not allow that saved sinner to become unsaved, then it does make sense for Jesus to teach it. If on the other hand it is used to mean that if a person claims to be saved they can then live exactly as they please and it won't matter, then that is totally unbiblical and Jesus didn't teach that.

 

[Jack]

I suppose it depends on precisely what you mean by "Once saved, Always Saved." If it means that when Jesus saves a sinner, granting him or her eternal life, He will not allow that saved sinner to become unsaved, then it does make sense for Jesus to teach it. If on the other hand it is used to mean that if a person claims to be saved they can then live exactly as they please and it won't matter, then that is totally unbiblical and Jesus didn't teach that.

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

 

[David Lamb]

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

I believe that Paul is writing about people who were never truly believers to start with. As Barnes writes in his commentary: "It does not mean that, as individual, they would have been true Christians; but that there would be a departure from the great doctrines which constitute the Christian faith." John Gill writes: "that is, from the doctrine of faith, notwithstanding it is indisputably the great mystery of godliness, as it is called in the latter part of the preceding chapter; for from the true grace of faith there can be no final and total apostasy, such as is here designed; for that can never be lost. It is of an incorruptible nature, and therefore more precious than gold that perishes; Christ is the author and finisher of it; his prevalent mediation is concerned for it; it is a gift of special grace, and is without repentance; it springs from electing grace, and is secured by it; and between that and salvation there is an inseparable connection; it may indeed decline, be very low, and lie dormant, as to its acts and exercise, but not be lost: there is a temporary faith, and a persuasion of truth, or a mere assent to it, which may be departed from, but not that faith which works by love: here it intends a profession of faith, which being made, should be dropped by some; or rather the doctrine of faith."

 

[Jack]

I believe that Paul is writing about people who were never truly believers to start with. As Barnes writes in his commentary: "It does not mean that, as individual, they would have been true Christians; but that there would be a departure from the great doctrines which constitute the Christian faith." John Gill writes: "that is, from the doctrine of faith, notwithstanding it is indisputably the great mystery of godliness, as it is called in the latter part of the preceding chapter; for from the true grace of faith there can be no final and total apostasy, such as is here designed; for that can never be lost. It is of an incorruptible nature, and therefore more precious than gold that perishes; Christ is the author and finisher of it; his prevalent mediation is concerned for it; it is a gift of special grace, and is without repentance; it springs from electing grace, and is secured by it; and between that and salvation there is an inseparable connection; it may indeed decline, be very low, and lie dormant, as to its acts and exercise, but not be lost: there is a temporary faith, and a persuasion of truth, or a mere assent to it, which may be departed from, but not that faith which works by love: here it intends a profession of faith, which being made, should be dropped by some; or rather the doctrine of faith."

You can't DEPART from the Faith if you're not in it!

 

[GracePeace]

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

I believe that Paul is writing about people who were never truly believers to start with.

Well, we do have the example of the Galatians who had been "bewitched" (Gal 3:1) by a "persuasion" that did "not come from Him Who" called them (Gal 5:8), with the result that they were "so quickly deserting [God]" (Gal 1:6).
To be clear, in that the persuasion they had come under had not issued from God, it had to have issued from demons--such that, through this unbelief, they were "wickedly" departing from God (Ps 18:21).

Though, of course, God is merciful, and patient, all because He truly loves us, and does not immediately reject such people, but reaches out to restore them (2 Sa 14:14) to Himself through restoring them to the faith.

 

[David Lamb]

You can't DEPART from the Faith if you're not in it!

Not if you are truly in it. However, one can seem (to other people, not to God) to be in it, bu doing things Christians do and saying things Christians say.

 

[mailmandan]

Not if you are truly in it. However, one can seem (to other people, not to God) to be in it, bu doing things Christians do and saying things Christians say.

Judas Iscariot comes to mind. To the 11 remaining disciples he looked like the real deal but Jesus knew his heart and said, "he is a devil." (John 6:70-71) There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers mixed together throughout Scripture, throughout various churches and throughout various Christian forum sites.

 

[David Lamb]

Judas Iscariot comes to mind. To the 11 remaining disciples he looked like the real deal but Jesus knew his heart and said, "he is a devil." (John 6:70-71) There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers mixed together throughout Scripture, throughout various churches and throughout various Christian forum sites.

Yes I agree. I can speak from experience. Before my conversion, I "went to church", read the bible, said prayers, sang hymns. However, nobody had ever told me that I was a sinner, and tat I needed to be saved. I was a "Christian" in name only, not in fact. Praise God, He did not leave me in that state!