OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Christian Soldier]

The presentation says the early church, for hundreds of years, fought OSAS as a heresy of the Gnostics--until Augustine, a former Gnostic, Christianized it.

We disagree that Jesus teaches OSAS (eg, Matthew 18 the parable of the unforgiving servant).

There's no such thing as Christianizing the gospel, no man including Augustine has any authority to impose his private view to pervert or change anything about the gospel which Christ gave His people.

There are at least 120 verses of scripture which confirm OSAS. If your willing to deny Gods Word and believe what those who deny His word say, then that's your personal choice.

The parable of the unforgiving servant in Matt 18 confirms OSAS, because Gods elect are lead by His Holy Spirit and every one of us forgives our fellow servants. So that parable is speaking about those who made a profession of faith but their profession was a lie and it was confirmed by the fact that they were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

A born again believer, receives the Holy Spirit. A person who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit is lead by the Holy Spirit. That means we no longer do things our way and we don't take the law into our hands. We become followers of Christ, His Holy Spirit leads the way and we just follow Him. To suggest that a follower of Christ would not forgive a fellow servant, is to suggest that we don't obey our Lord and that means His Holy Spirit is not in us.

Born again believers are not free to sin, as those who made false professions of faith are. We are possessed by the Holy Spirit so our lives are not our own to do what we want. We can only do what the Holy Spirit allows us to do. So we forgive our fellow servants, because we have been forgiven much more by God. I broke every one of Gods commandments and He forgave me, so I would be extremely wicked if I didn't forgive my fellow servant for a small thing.

 

[GracePeace]

There's no such thing as Christianizing the gospel, no man including Augustine has any authority to impose his private view to pervert or change anything about the gospel which Christ gave His people.

Right, I'm saying the early Church recognized OSAS as foreign to the Gospel, and the only people who held to it were Gnostic heretics.

There are at least 120 verses of scripture which confirm OSAS. If your willing to deny Gods Word and believe what those who deny His word say, then that's your personal choice.

There're countless verses teaching the opposite.

Nevertheless, this thread is focused on the fact that OSAS was foreign to the early Church, so they fought OSAS, in the course of fighting Gnosticism, where it originated, for its first hundreds of years.

The parable of the unforgiving servant in Matt 18 confirms OSAS, because Gods elect are lead by His Holy Spirit and every one of us forgives our fellow servants. So that parable is speaking about those who made a profession of faith but their profession was a lie and it was confirmed by the fact that they were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

Nope, he was forgiven all his sins, so he was a believer... unless you're proposing another way of having all your sins forgiven than faith in Christ? Afterward, however, because the man would not practice forgiveness ("forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors"), God rescinded His forgiveness, and Jesus says God will do the same to His disciples if they do not forgive.

I'm just believing plain Scripture.

 

[GodsGrace]

There's no such thing as Christianizing the gospel, no man including Augustine has any authority to impose his private view to pervert or change anything about the gospel which Christ gave His people.

1. What do you mean by Christianizing the gospel?
Isn't the gospel Christian in nature?

2. I'm happy to hear that you DO NOT agree with Augustine private views.
Because HE'S THE ONLY early church theologian that put forth the idea of the absence of FREE WILL and PREDESTINATION as to who will be saved.

And here I thought the Reformed/Calvinists based their teachings ON AUGUSTINE....
It sounds like you're not aware that John Calvin based ALL this teachings on Augustine.

There are at least 120 verses of scripture which confirm OSAS. If your willing to deny Gods Word and believe what those who deny His word say, then that's your personal choice.

Maybe YOU are the one denying God's word since NO ONE in the church immediately following the Apostles taught OSAS.
If you care to post some scripture - instead of giving your opinion, that would be nice.

The parable of the unforgiving servant in Matt 18 confirms OSAS, because Gods elect are lead by His Holy Spirit and every one of us forgives our fellow servants. So that parable is speaking about those who made a profession of faith but their profession was a lie and it was confirmed by the fact that they were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

Read the parable again CS....
It's about forgiveness.
No talk of being saved or unsaved, elected or not elected, chosen or not chosen, profession of faith or no profession of faith.

A born again believer, receives the Holy Spirit. A person who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit is lead by the Holy Spirit. That means we no longer do things our way and we don't take the law into our hands. We become followers of Christ, His Holy Spirit leads the way and we just follow Him. To suggest that a follower of Christ would not forgive a fellow servant, is to suggest that we don't obey our Lord and that means His Holy Spirit is not in us.

Born again believers are not free to sin,

According to you, we're not free to do anything on our own.
Could you point out some scripture that states that man has no free will?

as those who made false professions of faith are. We are possessed by the Holy Spirit so our lives are not our own to do what we want. We can only do what the Holy Spirit allows us to do.

You lost your free will when you became born again?
Please provide some scripture that supports this point of view.

So we forgive our fellow servants, because we have been forgiven much more by God. I broke every one of Gods commandments and He forgave me, so I would be extremely wicked if I didn't forgive my fellow servant for a small thing.

Agreed on the above.

 

[GodsGrace]

The clause many who believe in OSAS cite that leads to the misunderstanding that those who fall away were never saved ("They went out from us to prove they were never of us, for if they were of us they would have continued with us") seemingly can be answered in the fact that God can forget righteousness (Ezekiel 18:24), thus, if they fall away, it is as though they had never been saved at all, because God does not remember their faith (faith is counted as righteousness).

This is a very interesting idea, but one that is not really biblical or even necessary.
God is omniscient, knows everything and most probably does not forget anything.
Scripture states that He forgets our sins,,,,but in the sense that He no longer holds them against us.

We don't need to go beyond scripture to philosophical understandings about God because Jesus Himself stated we could
believe for a time in the parable of the sower in
Luke 8:13
13Those on the rocky soil are the ones who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and yet these do not have a firm root; [g]they believe for a while, and in a time of temptation they [h]fall away.

Jesus said this so it should suffice for any doubters.

(but there are many verses about falling away).

 

[GodsGrace]

You're not believing plain scripture, but you are believing in your own wisdom and leaning on your own understanding. You believe that God is a liar who contradicts Himself in hundreds of scriptures. So we're not on the same page as I believe every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, I don't believe He ever contradicts Himself as you do.

Unlike you, I don't get involved in the futile disputes between blind men. I don't dedicate anytime to reading about their opinions. I invest my time in learning about what God said, so I can see you're so confused and unable to embrace the truth.

Your interpretation of Matt 18 is false, because God doesn't torture His Children as you claim He does. He's not a cruel Monster as you make Him out to be. He only tortures sinners in hell for all eternity because they deserve it. But He never tortures His own Children, so yo are dead wrong about who God is. The god you describe is Satan.

Your just believing plain demonic doctrine.

Actually CS,
It's YOUR God that tortures people that HE sends to hell and for no apparent reason other than it's His PLEASURE to do so.

Explain this:
How do the people GOD sends to hell deserve it IF God didn't even give them a chance to repent??

Does this sound like a JUST GOD to You??

Can you explain to us what JUST means?
Thanks.

 

[GracePeace]

You're not believing plain scripture, but you are believing in your own wisdom and leaning on your own understanding. You believe that God is a liar who contradicts Himself in hundreds of scriptures. So we're not on the same page as I believe every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, I don't believe He ever contradicts Himself as you do.

Unlike you, I don't get involved in the futile disputes between blind men. I don't dedicate anytime to reading about their opinions. I invest my time in learning about what God said, so I can see you're so confused and unable to embrace the truth.

Your interpretation of Matt 18 is false, because God doesn't torture His Children as you claim He does. He's not a cruel Monster as you make Him out to be. He only tortures sinners in hell for all eternity because they deserve it. But He never tortures His own Children, so yo are dead wrong about who God is. The god you describe is Satan.

Your just believing plain demonic doctrine.

So, bottom line, you have no answer for the fact that the man was forgiven all his sins--how that came about (by faith obviously), or how God, afterward, rescinded His forgiveness. You appear to reject that portion of the Word of God bc it doesn't fit in with your "system". Perhaps that doctrine is too problematic and inconvenient for you?

Thanks for conceding the point.

I believe God torments His children?
No, I believe Scripture when it says "they are no longer His children because of their defect" Dt 32:5, along with Hosea 1 "'Not My People'... 'Where it was said "Not My People", it wil be said "Children of the Living God"'" (ie, no one is statically part of God's People/children); you seem to not delight in this Scriptural reality, but I eat the whole Word, as best as I can, so that it can have a coherence, and to try not to make a mess of it.

 

[GracePeace]

This is a very interesting idea, but one that is not really biblical or even necessary.
God is omniscient, knows everything and most probably does not forget anything.
Scripture states that He forgets our sins,,,,but in the sense that He no longer holds them against us.

We don't need to go beyond scripture to philosophical understandings about God because Jesus Himself stated we could
believe for a time in the parable of the sower in
Luke 8:13
13Those on the rocky soil are the ones who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and yet these do not have a firm root; [g]they believe for a while, and in a time of temptation they [h]fall away.

Jesus said this so it should suffice for any doubters.

(but there are many verses about falling away).

Believing God's explicit Word that He "forgets righteousness" is not philosophical speculation.

 

[GracePeace]

Because HE'S THE ONLY early church theologian that put forth the idea of the absence of FREE WILL and PREDESTINATION as to who will be saved.

And he was a former Gnostic!

 

[Christian Soldier]

1. What do you mean by Christianizing the gospel?
Isn't the gospel Christian in nature?

2. I'm happy to hear that you DO NOT agree with Augustine private views.
Because HE'S THE ONLY early church theologian that put forth the idea of the absence of FREE WILL and PREDESTINATION as to who will be saved.

And here I thought the Reformed/Calvinists based their teachings ON AUGUSTINE....
It sounds like you're not aware that John Calvin based ALL this teachings on Augustine.



Maybe YOU are the one denying God's word since NO ONE in the church immediately following the Apostles taught OSAS.
If you care to post some scripture - instead of giving your opinion, that would be nice.



Read the parable again CS....
It's about forgiveness.
No talk of being saved or unsaved, elected or not elected, chosen or not chosen, profession of faith or no profession of faith.





According to you, we're not free to do anything on our own.
Could you point out some scripture that states that man has no free will?



You lost your free will when you became born again?
Please provide some scripture that supports this point of view.


Agreed on the above.

I was paraphrasing another member who used the term Christianizing OSAS. I responded by saying that Jesus preached the doctrine of OSAS.

The problem for those who don't believe in Jesus is, they rely on their own willpower and wisdom to keep themselves saved. This means that God plays no part in keeping them saved. This idea is crazy, it denies everything that God said about it.

I wasn't picking on Augustine, I said I don't agree with any man who rejects or denies Gods Word s absolute truth. I don't agree with anyone who preaches a different gospel to the one Christ gave us. I follow the Lord Jesus Christ, I don't follow men so all of those who accuse me of following men are liars, they serve the father of lies.

God preached predestination and election to salvation, if you don't believe that then you don't believe what the Bible clearly says. I know you hate the truth of the gospel and I get that, it is awful and horrible news for unbelievers but it is the best news that believers will ever hear.

I have round 120 verses to list here and they wouldn't fit, in any case it is evident you don't believe what God said anyway so it's probably a waste of time but I'll just list 3 for now and see how you reject them.

Ephesians 1:4
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

God is the One who saves us and keeps us saved, if it was left up to us, then nobody would be saved because we would all go back to serving our lust, in no time at all.

The parable is about God forgiving underserving wicked sinners like me. It's to remind me that I was born dead in sin and totally depraved and I hated God and everything I did was evil continually. But God forgave me all of that and imagine how evil I would have to be if I disobey God and not forgive my brother for a small sin. I would cast such an unforgiving person into the lake of fire, there is no salvation for evil people lie those. They were never saved to begin with.

 

[RedFan]

The problem for those who don't believe in Jesus is, they rely on their own willpower and wisdom to keep themselves saved.

I think, rather, that most of "those who don't believe in Jesus" don't think they need to BE saved. Conversely, some who DO believe in Jesus nevertheless "rely on their own willpower and wisdom to keep themselves saved." (Of course, they don't share your view of what "believing" in Jesus entails.)

 

[Christian Soldier]

Actually CS,
It's YOUR God that tortures people that HE sends to hell and for no apparent reason other than it's His PLEASURE to do so.

Explain this:
How do the people GOD sends to hell deserve it IF God didn't even give them a chance to repent??

Does this sound like a JUST GOD to You??

Can you explain to us what JUST means?
Thanks.

There you go accusing God of being an evil monster. When did God say He never gave sinners a chance to repent. He commanded everyone to repent, but dead people can't respond to His command because they are dead. Don't you believe what God says at all, do you take pleasure in blaspheming the Holy Spirit by accusing Him of being the most evil monster in the universe.

Those who never repent have lived their whole lives blaspheming the Holy Spirit and deliberately disobeying Gods commands and ignoring His warnings and mocking Him and calling Him all kinds of names as you do.

Why don't you ask the real question, why don't you ask why God doesn't cast everyone into hell to be tormented for all eterniuty, because that's exactly what we all deserve. Who are you to accuse God of being evil, just because He doesn't save those child raping murderers that you think He should love the same as His own Children. If God did then He would be evil.

God is just so He must punish sinners and reward those who do good works. If He rewarded the righteous and wicked equally, then He would be the evil monster you accuse him of being.

 

[Christian Soldier]

So, bottom line, you have no answer for the fact that the man was forgiven all his sins--how that came about (by faith obviously), or how God, afterward, rescinded His forgiveness. You appear to reject that portion of the Word of God bc it doesn't fit in with your "system". Perhaps that doctrine is too problematic and inconvenient for you?

Thanks for conceding the point.

I believe God torments His children?
No, I believe Scripture when it says "they are no longer His children because of their defect" Dt 32:5, along with Hosea 1 "'Not My People'... 'Where it was said "Not My People", it wil be said "Children of the Living God"'" (ie, no one is statically part of God's People/children); you seem to not delight in this Scriptural reality, but I eat the whole Word, as best as I can, so that it can have a coherence, and to try not to make a mess of it.

You say God "rescinded His forgiveness" is blasphemous in the extreme. It makes God look like some kind of unfaithful husband who goes back ion His promise to remain faithful. God said to His children, "I will never leave you nor forsake you". But you come along and say "watch out guys, this god is known to betray his bride and break his promise".

You don't "eat the whole word", you spit those bits you don't like out and claim that they are not fit for food. How hypocritical of you, to claim you eat the whole word while spiting the bitter truth out.

 

[GracePeace]

You say God "rescinded His forgiveness" is blasphemous in the extreme. It makes God look like some kind of unfaithful husband who goes back ion His promise to remain faithful. God said to His children, "I will never leave you nor forsake you". But you come along and say "watch out guys, this god is known to betray his bride and break his promise".

You don't "eat the whole word", you spit those bits you don't like out and claim that they are not fit for food. How hypocritical of you, to claim you eat the whole word while spiting the bitter truth out.

The "promise" of God that God is faithful to perform, according to Jesus, is to rescind His forgiveness if you do not forgive others.

That's what the text directs me to believe.

Which of us is spitting the bitter truth out?

 

[GracePeace]

God said to His children, "I will never leave you nor forsake you". But you come along and say "watch out guys, this god is known to betray his bride and break his promise".

Yeah, TO HIS PEOPLE/CHILDREN, He will be with them, and I've already demonstrated that that is not a static reality, but people have always been being, and continue to be, added thereto and removed therefrom. That dynamic has never changed.

Why don't you want to answer how the unforgiving servant had had all his debt forgiven?

 

[JLB]

The parable of the unforgiving servant in Matt 18 confirms OSAS

The ole Calvinist ploy of stating your opinion and tagging your opinion with a scripture reference is easily recognizable.

Here is the truth -

Truth #1 - Jesus was speaking to His elect, Peter and all those who are brothers in Christ.

So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.


Truth #2 - The free gift of the forgiveness of sins that we once had can indeed be revoked, and the original sentence reinstated if we don't forgive others.

‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”



Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.
“But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.” Matthew 18:21-35


Those who promote heresies will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21






JLB

 

[RedFan]

God is just so He must punish sinners

But salvation in Christ for believers is the antithesis of that. Ergo, God's failure to punish sinners (those who believe in Christ) means He NEED NOT punish sinners. So let's try again. Why do you say He MUST punish sinners as a manifestation of His justice?

(As unjust as it is NOT to punish sinners, it is even more unjust to punish an innocent man in their stead. We can get to that later. I don't want to divert focus from my first question of you.)

 

[Behold]

Right, I'm saying the early Church recognized OSAS as foreign to the Gospel,

Post a verse from a Bible that says "the early church recognized OSAS as foreign to the Gospel".

And make sure you dont use misuse and twist JUDE's verse, that speaks about "Licentiousness".. as that verse is not stating that Eternal Security is false, its teaching that unsaved Jews, were trying to cause the Gospel to be perceived as "license to sin".

So, the very people you find today, who oppose Eternal Security, are exactly like those unsaved Jews who opposed Paul's Gospel, that JUDE is writing about in His epistle.

In other words, what Jude is explaining, is....... ""They have twisted the Gospel of Grace into a teaching that subverts the hearer into thinking that God's Grace, when taught correctly, is ......(license to sin).""
So, the idea behind this subversion of the Gospel.... is to keep a person from the correct understanding of God's Grace, by causing them to perceive it as " encouraging licentiousness".

Reader, .. "Eternal Security" is not giving anyone a ticket to live like the devil... and that is how its falsely presented by carnal self righteous people who don't understand God's Grace, or the Cross of Christ... so, they twist the understanding of the Gospel to keep you from the Truth of Eternal Security.

Listen....
All that is happening when you recognize Eternal Security, is that you understand that Jesus who Saved you, Keeps you saved.

That's Eternal Security.
Eternal Security is...>>"Jesus who saved YOU.......Keeps you saved"..

And want else could reader? Who else could ?

Thats your Eternal Security........ Its JESUS Himself.

So, when you deny Eternal Security, you are denying that Jesus keeps the born again Christian, saved.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It sadens me all the people that refuse to acknowledge the peace that suprasses all understand, and the faith rest that God promises to those who come to him. Who he makes into a different creature, his children. yet wants us to continue to live in fear..

 

[Christian Soldier]

The "promise" of God that God is faithful to perform, according to Jesus, is to rescind His forgiveness if you do not forgive others.

That's what the text directs me to believe.

Which of us is spitting the bitter truth out?

I know you have concluded that the parable is teaching that God does rescind His forgiveness to us if we don't forgive others. But I don't believe the parable is saying that because I don't believe that God ever takes back His forgiveness. Because His forgiveness of our sin was not conditional on our ability to keep His commandments.

Jesus purchased redemption and forgiveness for His people, once and for all. God didn't forgive anyone based on their obedience or good works. Gods people were forgiven, because the righteousness of Christ was imputed to those who placed their trust in Him and not in their own good works.

The only way God could rescind His forgiveness is if the Holy Spirit abandons us and leaves us to go back to our own devices. But we know that can never happen because God promise that he would never leave us nor forsake us.

 

[Christian Soldier]

The ole Calvinist ploy of stating your opinion and tagging your opinion with a scripture reference is easily recognizable.

Here is the truth -

Truth #1 - Jesus was speaking to His elect, Peter and all those who are brothers in Christ.

So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.


Truth #2 - The free gift of the forgiveness of sins that we once had can indeed be revoked, and the original sentence reinstated if we don't forgive others.

‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”



Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.
“But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.” Matthew 18:21-35


Those who promote heresies will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21






JLB

I see you're still struggling with that terrible "if" word. You always take "if" word to mean "I command you" and it just falls flat on it's face and doesn't work. "IF EACH OF YOU" doesn't mean "I command each of you", it's just saying if pigs could fly they would. But we know better don't we??? or do we???.

The parable was a reminder of how much we were forgiven, there is no record of any believer ever refusing to forgive his brother. It just doesn't happen and it never will happen with anyone who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

A parable is not an actual true story, this particular parable was given to demonstrate how grateful Gods people should be for being forgiven. There is not a single instance anywhere in the bible or in Church history where a born again believer didn't forgive his brother/fellow servant same thing. It never happened because it's not possible so you're getting all worked up over nothing.