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I did not think it was hilarious at all
How about you quoting Scriptures for each statement you make and remember Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and a whole then known world perished, men women, children and livestock. Is God to blame here @GodsGrace?
I didn't mention Calvin - you did. I mentioned "robots". Robots do not have a sense of humour. They (robots) only repeat what they are told.
so you must be a robot. No sense of humor
God’s Sovereignty and Mystery: Some aspects of God’s plan and justice are beyond human understanding. Trusting in God’s goodness and justice, even when we don’t fully understand, is a recurring theme in the Bible (Isaiah 55:8-9).
In summary, the Bible presents a God who is loving and just, who desires all to be saved but respects human free will. Hell is a consequence of rejecting God, not His desire for humanity123.
Why Did God Create People if He Knew So Many Would Go to Hell?
Why would God create human beings if He knew that so many would reject Him and end up being punished for their sin in Hell?www.str.org
Everything You Need to Know About Hell in the Bible
Study four different terms for hell in the Bible and how they are translated. Also, view multiple Scripture verses that explain the meaning of hell.www.learnreligions.com
Did God Create Hell? - Topical Studies
Hell is a place of separation from the goodness of God, and all the good which He has created. How could we say that God could create such an awful place? We begin to answer this question when we consider who hell is for. ...www.biblestudytools.com
John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
Romans 3:23-24 - “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”
1 Timothy 2:4 - “Who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.”
Ezekiel 33:11 - “Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’”
Matthew 25:41 - “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”
Deuteronomy 30:19-20 - “This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him.”
Romans 6:23 - “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
2 Peter 3:9 - “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”
I agree.
Romans 9:27; 11:5. Also, same as with every nations of the world!!
So say you!!! The remnant saved by grace are the "whosoever" in John 3:16. You and many Christians like you just don't understand Bible doctrines and its interpretations.
If that is true. then surely there will no one be in hell for all will be saved but Scripture states that hell will heavily be populated.
Believe in Jesus for what?? The devils believe and they tremble!!
Prove it that the Reformers changed the meaning of Scripture!!!
Lol! Conditions??? Did you know that "to believe" is a works Gospel??? (See, John 6:28-29).
How can a spiritually dead person have free will when he is dead?? A dead person has no life in him, can he??
Jesus indwells the saints and it is He who perseveres!!
Well, since we agree why do you need the definition of "just?" There are plenty good dictionaries out there-that's if you read secondary sources.
Some of the most important discussions that a Christian can have are around the character, nature, and attributes of God — otherwise known as “Theology.” Accurate theology is crucial for believers because, in order to deepen a relationship with someone (or have a relationship at all), we must get to know who they are in a deeper way.
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Because some don't seem to understand what the word JUST means.
Johann,Some of the most important discussions that a Christian can have are around the character, nature, and attributes of God — otherwise known as “Theology.” Accurate theology is crucial for believers because, in order to deepen a relationship with someone (or have a relationship at all), we must get to know who they are in a deeper way.
According to Scripture, God has many attributes that we need to know, such as self-existence, intellect, omnipresence (meaning everywhere at once), and omnipotence (meaning all-powerful). While some of his attributes are easy to accept or at least appreciate (such as his mercy and love), he has other attributes that many people find difficult to accept or understand. Among God’s more seemingly complicated characteristics is his justness. As the writer declared in Deuteronomy:
For I will proclaim the name of the LORD; ascribe greatness to our God! “The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he” (Deuteronomy 32:3-4, ESV).
God Is Just
So, what does it mean that God is just? What does his justness mean for us?
The Oxford dictionary explains that someone or something that is “just” is “behaving according to what is morally right and fair.” Considering the use of the word “just” in Scripture as well as in modern language, other synonymous words might be “accurate” (as in measurement), “correctness” (as in a judgment), and, of course, “righteous” (as in a description of a person’s condition).
Therefore, for God to be just means that he is consistent, virtuous, innocent, and right. And since his justness is part of his immutable nature (meaning it cannot change), then he is always right and just in whatever he does.
But as clear as that definition might be, many people have issues with God’s justness that inhibit them from fully understanding it. The following are four common problems that many people encounter when considering the justness of God.
Firstly, many people judge God according to their own finite, changing standards. Instead of God being the standard for his own righteousness, they use themselves or their own opinions as the standard or ruler. This results in an inaccurate theology that confuses truth and reality because the human heart is “deceitful” beyond our own understanding (Jeremiah 17:9).
To take it to the extreme, common post-modern thinking is that there are no absolute standards of morality, resulting in everyone’s judgments of right and wrong being completely arbitrary. But God’s justness is based on his own standards of righteousness because he alone is God (2 Peter 3:9). This is important because if God is not actually completely righteous and purely just or if he has the slightest lack in judgment, then he is no longer fit to be God.
Secondly, many people struggle with the concept of God’s justness because humans are very good at being partial, which affects our view of God. We easily give ourselves grace by thinking that our sins (or the sins of those we care about) are insignificant while placing harsh judgments on others for similar or even lesser offenses.
But no matter what the sin might be (such as lying, cheating, stealing, lusting, or cursing), we are essentially committing “cosmic treason” against God’s holy kingdom (as R.C. Sproul calls it), resulting in the highest level of consequence: Death and Hell (Romans 6:23; 2 Peter 2; Matthew 10:28).
Thirdly, another common “pothole” that many people run into when trying to accept God’s justness is confusing our own ideas of fairness with justness. Fairness has to do with equal distribution without discrimination. But while fairness might seem to work at times, it is actually a very low standard of thought (especially compared with justness). For example, if a mother was giving cookies to her children and wanted to be fair, she would give them the same size of cookie no matter their size, age, metabolism, or reaction to sugar.
But for her to be just, she would have to consider those factors and adjust the cookie size accordingly. As it plays out, fairness might make all the children momentarily happy, but justness will result in a better life lesson and healthier children, especially if one of the children is diabetic! Even in this simple example, we can see where it is better for God to be just than fair.
If God was fair, then either everyone goes to Heaven no matter what kind of life they’ve lived, or no one goes to Heaven because none of us deserve it, as Paul clearly explains in Romans 3:9-20. This is how God is all-powerful and all-loving, as well as just at the same time in the midst of the existence of evil in the world.
A fourth common difficulty with accepting God’s justness comes when we misunderstand his more palatable or pleasant attributes (like mercy and love) for a lapse or instability in his character. This particular confusion is not surprising because in order for God to be merciful to some people and not to others can seem contradictory and create dissonance in his character.
But this only happens if you remove the Gospel of Jesus Christ from the equation. This is why a biblical understanding of the gospel is paramount to a proper concept of who God is. God is not inconsistent or subject to passing whims or personal favoritism.
Instead (as John Barnett explains in his article), because of Jesus’ substitutionary atonement on the cross, God can remain just in his judgment of the lost while still giving mercy to those who, by faith, have received the forgiveness of their sins. This is what the writer of Hebrews meant when he wrote that “...without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins” (Hebrews 9:22, ESV).
God Is Love
However, if we work past these (and no doubt other) difficulties and begin to understand God’s justness for what it really is according to Scripture, then we will see it as a beautiful attribute of God that we cannot help but be grateful for.
Because of God being just, not only will sinners be punished, but (as I stated above) we can be saved from that punishment because of the gospel in the same way that Noah and his family were saved from the flood in Genesis 7 or Lot and his family were saved from being destroyed in Sodom as seen in Genesis 18.
In fact, the very justness of God (and his law) illuminates his love, grace, and mercy in a way that nothing else could because not only is God just, but he is our justifier — meaning he alone has the power and ability to make us righteous before him. As Paul laid out for us:
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus (Romans 3:23-26, ESV).
What Does it Mean That God Is Just?
The very justness of God illuminates his love, grace, and mercy in a way that nothing else could because not only is God just, but he is our justifier, meaning he alone has the power and ability to make us righteous before him.
Shalom
J.
You don't believe John 3:16?
So the devils are saved too?
Here's your proof Jun....
Believing is a works salvation?
This is the type of unsound argument used by Orthodox and Catholics to justify their "traditions"--you find a hole where you think you can stealth your idea in.
The presentation says it was Gnostic, so came much earlier than the Reformation.
OSAS was only known among Gnostics, and the Church fought it until a former Gnostic Christianized it.
Your claim that Augustine (A.D. 354-430) was the earliest source of the doctrine of "once saved, always saved" (OSAS) is not accurate. The doctrine itself, which asserts that once a person is truly saved, they cannot lose their salvation, has roots that precede Augustine and is more complex than can be attributed to a single source.
They're pointing out the simple reality that OSAS was only known among Gnostic heretics until former Gnostic Augustine Christianized it.
The statement that "OSAS was only known among Gnostics, and the Church fought it until a former Gnostic Christianized it" is not accurate and misrepresents both the doctrine of "once saved, always saved" (OSAS) and the historical relationship between Gnosticism and orthodox Christian teachings.
Correct.
