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Ritajanice

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I don’t think he understands that a Born Again is under grace and not the law...

He’s produced NO, scripture that states “ A Born Again “ can lose their salvation...

God’s word says.


1 Peter 1:23
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New International Version
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

New Living Translation
For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God.

English Standard Version
since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

Berean Standard Bible
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

Berean Literal Bible
having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God,

King James Bible
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
 

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Did paul really BELIEVE IN JESUS . DIDHE REALLY BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAID.
YOU BET HE DID . as didall the other apostels .

Exactly! That's why I posted 1 Corinthians 9:27 since the OSAS preachers these guys listen to don't want anybody to see what Paul said there

They don't want people to know Paul did not believe or teach OSAS
 

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You should read more of what the Lord says thru the Apostle Paul...

1 Corinthians 9:27
I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway (G0096 in Strong's) = unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate.

This is the same greek word used in Romans 1:28 when the Lord turned those over to a reprobate mind who refused retain God in their knowledge and walk with Him.

This means, Paul believed that if he did not control himself and went back to walking after the flesh HE would be unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate!

Obviously the Apostle Paul did not believe in "once saved, always saved" aka "eternal security"
What i say to one i say to all .
Many have come andthey have come in the name of JESUS CHRIST
they have come and they have come claiming that the canon , the scriptures were inspired by GOD .
AND YET
oh yesand yet
HAD THEY TRULY BELEIVED this to be true , then why would one omit parts of THEM HOLY GOD INSPIRED SCRIPTURES
and twist and omit parts and say things like , OH these parts mean either this or that , which fits THEIR OWN TEACHINGS
or , or they say OH THEY DIDNT APPLY TO THE CHURCH
or or they try and say , OH that dont apply to gentiles just to jewish believers . SEE THE PROBLEM YET .
MEN DO as men do and men will twist scrips unto their own destruction , ALL THE WHILE claiming JESUS is teh LORD
all teh while claiming THEY beleive in HIM , IN GOD
And yet while in their lips HIS name does RING
THEIR HEART TELLS ANOTHER STORY and another song they sing .
A song that while it claimeth to KNOW HIM
yet sings contradictions to HIM and TO HIS WORDS . THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS
BUT THEIR HEART be FAR FROM ME . YEP . SOMETHING AINT RIGHT in these last days at all .
 

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Just posted a bunch of them, maybe you missed them???

If you did, let me know and I'll be happy to post them again for your further education in righteousness :stageright:

1 Peter 1:23
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

New Living Translation
For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God.

English Standard Version
since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

Berean Standard Bible
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

Berean Literal Bible
having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God,

King James Bible
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
 

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I stand on what i have said for many years . TIME WE GOT US IN THE BIBLE FOR OURSELVES .
Just watch and behold what would have occurred .

BINGO! :stageright: Great post!

The devil has infiltrated the majority of churches and ministries to where they are teaching false doctrine that is not biblical... but they wrap it up ina feel good entertainment show to make it seem all legit... and then many of them make people pay for the pleasure of getting deceived!

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.


Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)
(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)
 
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Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)
(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)
How can a Born Again do any of this?....when they are Born Again....they can’t.

You are not understanding the living word of God imo/ belief...if you did..you wouldn’t be posting this.
 

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How can a Born Again do any of this?....when they are Born Again....they can’t.

You are not understanding the living word of God imo/ belief...if you did..you wouldn’t be posting this.

If one sows to the flesh (sin) and quits being a Christian... they certainly can!

This is WHY the Lord is warning us, so we don't do this!

Are you claiming I should not posts portion of God's Word... just because it proves OSAS is false doctrine???
 

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If one sows to the flesh (sin) and quits being a Christian... they certainly can!

This is WHY the Lord is warning us, so we don't do this!

Are you claiming I should not posts portion of God's Word... just because it proves OSAS is false doctrine???
Quits being a Christian?

How can you be U.N.- Birthed by God.

I will leave you to your own belief system...imo that’s all it is....

Quits being a Christian...I will leave the others to question you on this one...as it’s to ridiculous for words, for me to answer.

Bye, have a nice day.
 

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How can you be U.N.- Birthed by God.

God is not the One causing some people to turn away from Him and go back to living in sin!

God is not "unobirthing" anybody... some turn away from God of their own free will and reject the Lord in favor of their sin! To serve their sin rather than serving the Lord.

Those that do this are no longer in right standing with God... unless one wants to claim we can continue in sin and still be right with God?

Some claim if Christians continue in sin that grace abounds, but God says that is forbidden! (Romans 6:1,2)

If you accepted the whole counsel of God and ditched the false doctrines of calvinism (where OSAS originates from)... you could understand
 
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God is not the One causing some people to turn away from Him and go back to living in sin!

God is not "unobirthing" anybody... some turn away from God of their own free will and reject the Lord in favor of their sin! To serve their sin rather than serving the Lord.

Those that do this are no longer in right standing with God... unless one wants to claim we can continue in sin and still be right with God?

Some claim if Christians continue in sin that grace abounds, but God says that is forbidden! (Romans 6:1,2)

If you accepted the whole counsel of God and ditched the false doctrines of calvinism (where OSAS originates from)... you could understand
I suggest you read the Living word of God....and still I await your answers to my questions?

1 John 3:9
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No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

New Living Translation
Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

English Standard Version
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Standard Bible
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Literal Bible
Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God
 

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Eternal LIFE is only Given to those who are born again , whose Faith was and is in JESUS CHRIST .
These things i write unto you that you may KNOW you have eternal life and that ye may BELIEVE on JESUS CHRIST .
Without the SPIRIT no lamb WOULD endure unto the end .
The Christian scriptures were written by, and for those chosen for a role in heaven....that of “kings and priests” with Jesus Christ at the helm. (Rev 20:6) These are promised a “first resurrection”.
What are kings without subjects? And what role do priests play without sinners for whom to interceded and to guide in their worship? The redeemed human race has to be reconciled with God, because sin separated them from him, necessitating the role of Jesus as “mediator” because no sinful humans can approach God directly. Our prayers must be directed to the Father, “through” his Christ.

To assume that all “Christians” are ‘elected’ to go to heaven, does not fit in with what the Kingdom of God is all about.
What is God’s kingdom Amigo? And what purpose does it serve? What is the “good news” about it that we are instructed to tell others? (Matt 24:14; Matt 28:19-20)
Let us heed the SPIRIT and not the flesh .
Every word written is for our good and works good unto the hearer and doer of them .
The SPIRIT is our guide . For it is HE who works in us that which is WELL PLEASING unto GOD .
The thing is , many are following another jesus . one that accepts sins
one that came to serve their own lustful hearts desire
One that even denies the dire need to have BELIEVED on JESUS CHRIST .
And that other jesus wont be captilzed , for as you know , ITS NOT JESUS CHRIST and thus IT CANNOT save them
I have to agree with you here.....but the false Jesus is not a recent invention.....he was created very early in the history of the ancient “church”. Jesus himself, as well as the apostles, foretold that an apostasy would take over the church and corrupt it, just as the Pharisees had corrupted Judaism. (Matt 13:24-30; 36-42. “the wheat and the weeds”)
Paul said that it was “already at work” toward the end of the first century. (2 Thess 2:1-8)

If Christianity was corrupted all those centuries ago, then what is accepted today as genuine “Christianity”....is not the real thing, and what is accepted as truth, is satanic lies created by the devil in a fake or counterfeit “Christianity” that serves no one but the one who created it. It is designed to present a different God to the one Jesus preached, and a different Jesus to the one that the Bible speaks about.

Red flags should have been raised centuries ago...not just now, but the early church became so powerful and so corrupt that anyone challenging its authority was silenced, just as Jesus was silenced.
History teaches us so many things if we allow it to.
“Those who do not learn from the errors of the past, are doomed to repeat them”....we know this for a fact.

So in this world, where we now stand at the brink of the “harvest” and the “reapers” are poised to gather the “weeds”......where do we stand as individuals in God’s eyes? Have we been duped by the great pretender and accepted the counterfeit “hook, line and sinker”? Or are we alert to the sign of the times when Jesus foretold that God would appoint a “faithful and wise slave” to lead his true worshippers out of that confused rabble that calls itself “Christianity”, and into a new pen of truth, that to the majority looks like “a den of iniquity”. (John 15:18-21) How did Jesus appear to the majority of Jews? He was there to guide “the lost sheep” into a new pen, but as he foretold, a relative “few” were attracted to it....most stuck to the comfortable lies that they had accepted from childhood, instead of embracing what appeared to the masses to be “an uncomfortable truth”...an apostasy! This is our biggest test. We have to choose where we stand on all those issues relating to God’s kingdom and who is chosen to rule in it. We can’t all have “the heavenly calling” (Heb 3:1) as all “saints” and no one to rule or to guide in worship, would be pointless.

Paul addressed his first letter to the Corinthians.....
“Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by God’s will, and Sosʹthe·nes our brother, 2 to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be saints” together with all those everywhere who are calling on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

3 May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Do you see a distinction between those who are called “saints” “TOGETHER WITH all those everywhere who care calling on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, THEIR LORD AND OURS”.
So not all Christians are chosen to be “saints”.....these are “the elect” or the “chosen ones”. What are they chosen for? Rulership and priesthood for those who are also saved, but who live live on earth, where God placed humankind in the first place. God never rescinded his first purpose. (Isaiah 55:11) It will still become a reality.

Revelation 21:2-4 will see its fulfillment. The Kingdom will rule “men”...humans on earth.

Now put those hands up and let all who name the name of Christ depart from inquity .
Heed the Spirit , stay in the bible , be in prayer and endure faithful unto the end .
If that which ye have heard shall remain in you then ye shall continue in the Son and in the Father .
But if one takes off from believing the true gospel and takes hold
upon what is known as the inclusive social many path to GOD lie , THEY WILL FALL from their own steadfastness .
It is true if one comes out they were never truly of us . It is true that all apostles also warned and knew
we must continue in HIM to the end . Reminding the church about that is a GOOD thing
as are all the reminders in the bible . Ye are saved by grace , through FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
THIS IS the GIFT OF GOD . now raise those hands cause its LORD praising time .
As foretold, “the church” has strayed into so many sects and denominations, all teaching different things but still claiming to be “the body of Christ”....yet NO “body” can exist dismembered.

1 Cor 1:10 must apply to the genuine disciples of Christ.....
“Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”

The Holy Spirit unites Christians....it does not divide them....but the truth does. The separating of the “wheat from the weeds” who have been left to grow in the same “field”, is taking place as we speak. When Christ manifests as judge of all of us, he will know which is which, even if we do not. There is going to be some very shocked “Christians” who were never “drawn” by the Father because they loved the lies and denied the truth. (Matthew 7:21-23; John 6:44, 65; 2 Thess 2:9-12)

This is decision time......and the end is so close.....love of God has to include love of the truth.....so what is the truth? We must decide that in our own hearts.
 

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And if WE don't submit ourselves to God turning away from living in darkness after the flesh.... God doesn't make us holy!

WE are called to submit to Him... God does not FORCE anybody to walk with Him if they don't want to.
Either you are a slave to Satan or a slave to God. Our Father adopts us, purifies us, transforms us, guides us and we submit. The whole drawing power: the gospel, the events and people God brought into our lives, by His Word, His grace, changed our minds and persuaded us to submit to His path. It became the only wise direction to take and so we are on His path with His yoke around our necks. It doesn't mean we don't trip and fall. One Pastor used to say, "fall forward ... and then get up and continue the race." Of course it requires our effort, all our heart, soul, strength and spirit.
Of course if you practice evil, live in darkness, you obviously have not experienced a life changing spiritual transformation.
I think you have created this false stereotype of Christians who consider, believe, are confident and assured that they are saved. We truly believe the Bible when it claims that WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE NOW, THAT WE ARE SAVED AND IT'S A DONE DEAL!
>> I would like to add that legalism is what I see some churches and in this forum. It is not much different than the yeast the Pharisees had that Jesus warned about.
 
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You should read more of what the Lord says thru the Apostle Paul...

1 Corinthians 9:27
I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway (G0096 in Strong's) = unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate.

This is the same greek word used in Romans 1:28 when the Lord turned those over to a reprobate mind who refused retain God in their knowledge and walk with Him.

This means, Paul believed that if he did not control himself and went back to walking after the flesh HE would be unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate!

Obviously the Apostle Paul did not believe in "once saved, always saved" aka "eternal security"
Again you misunderstand in accusation as if anyone here actually condones sin or continued sin. That is simply not true.

Meanwhile, if you are only going to preach from half of what Paul wrote--what you preach and believe is only half true and no better than a lie. But we preach it all and believe it all, and also reconcile those things you (and others) quote with the rest of what is written.

Surely Paul's counsel of bringing the flesh under subordination of the Spirit is good and true, but he does not mean or say that a man can actually remain in the flesh and be pure in the flesh, forgiven yes, but not pure--he doesn't say that. But what rather does he say, but that he too struggles and yet attempts to do what is good, accrediting only Christ who is pure and not himself. Saying, "For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But let each one examine his own work..." Wherein one ought to consider that there is even two different ways to examining one's self--whether it is we who are at work or is it Christ in us on whom the burden has come upon rather than upon us.

While you preach regarding the person, we preach regarding and accrediting Christ alone. And this He will judge.
 

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Unless one is a baby Christian and is just now learning God's Word... anybody that's has been walking with the Lord for a while knows scripture does not teach "once saved always saved", aka eternal security.

Here's one that most definitely DOES Speak Against the Eternal Security of the believer

Galatians 6:7-8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.

Romans 1:28
they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do what ought not to be done

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance which means God cannot violate our free will and save us anyway IF we choose to go back to our sin which is living in darkness. In God there is NO darkness. (1 John 1:5)

This is a major biblical truth the OSAS crowd always explains away or denies is simply this... God is NOT mocked, what we sow is what we reap - if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption. (Gal 6:7,8)

In Gal 6:8, the word corruption is...

G5356
fthora from G5351; decay, i.e. ruin -- corruption, destroy, perish.
G5351
strengthened from phthio (to pine or waste); properly, to shrivel or wither, i.e. to spoil or to ruin, by moral influences, to deprave): -- corrupt (self), defile, destroy.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God.

So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.
ONCE saved always saved….
ONCE being the KEY WORD.

A Believer, Believes because he CHOOSES to.
Any DAY that individual CHOOSES to NOT Believe, He can DO SO…NOT Believe.

WHILE, he is Believing, “he is WITH the Lord God”…and “the Lord God is WITH that individual”.

That person continuing to BELIEVE, until the day his body dies….SHALL THEN be soul Saved.

A CONVERTED Believer is ENTIRELY Different.
A CONVERTED Believer, not ONLY Believes, but VOWS by Testimony his OWN word THAT HE HEARTFULLY Believes.
Which is entirely Different that “thinking in his MIND, to believe today, possibly not believe later.

A CONVERTED Believers BELIEF, is NO longer Kept BY the Power of the individual…
RATHER…
That persons BELIEF is KEPT “FOREVER” BY the POWER of God.
That persons SOUL “IS” saved.
That person SPIRIT “IS” quickened.
As long as that CONVERTED person remains ALIVE Gods POWER, IS WITH AND IN that person.
And that Converted person ALSO occupies Christ Jesus’ Risen Body.
A Converted person, IS MERELY “WAITING” for his OWN “new body”.

YES… a person Converted IN Christ IS WITHIN Christ (who IS Gods Power) and Christ IS WITHIN that man…
SAVED ONCE and SAVED FOREVER.

NO…a Converted person CAN NEVER Lose his Salvation…NOR ever Again NOT BELIEVE…NOR ever Again STAND (SIN) Against God.

YES…ONCE saved, Always saved.

Gory to God,
Taken
 
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It's imply a seal of approval, a seal of acceptance.
Nothing trivial about Gods SEAL which IS the Promise of the Holy Spirit.

You have never committed even one sin after being born again???
Say yes so we can all have a good laugh!

Mocking the poster…
A Gentiles SIN, is having DISBELIEF.
How does a Gentile SIN, (Had Disbelief), WHEN that Converted person Heartfully Believes, AND IS LIVING IN Christ (Power of God) Jesus’ Holy Sinless (Can NOT SIN)…Risen Body?

Does a Converted person HAVE THE POWER to supersede GODS POWER IN him?

Nah!
Romans Chapter 6 (entirety).
Romans 6:18a
[18] Being then made free from sin…

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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I would like to add that legalism is what I see some churches and in this forum.

In most cases... this means people believe Christians have a license to sin, to live after the flesh rejecting the Lord's leading cause they think "I can live however I want" and they think they are still going to Heaven.

This is imply not true and God's Word does not teach this. This is why those that hold to OSAS have a select few happy verses that they speak of and they ignore evreything else the Lord has to say about salvation.

This is a common symptom of those suffering from Cherry Pickers Syndrome or CPS which is another way of saying eisgesis which is reading something into a text that isn't there


as if anyone here actually condones sin or continued sin. That is simply not true.

And yet over and over and over and over the OSAS peoples claim after one gets born again if they continue living in sin they are still saved and will still go to Heaven.

In fact, I hear so very often OSAS people claiming they are sinners and they sin everyday in though word and deed as though they are proud of that and the just cannot help but to keep willingly and knowingly sinning!

God's Word says we can do all things thru Christ that strengthens us (), but apparently these folks don't believe this scripture applies to them cause they happy to call themselves sinners and are happy to proclaim they sin everyday!

In fact, God's Word speaks of those that are unable to cease from sin

2 Peter 2:9-14
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Things do not end well for those walking after the flesh as those that cannot cease from sin become cursed children because they have rejected the Lord

I'm simply pointing out the warnings the Lord gives in His Word showing it's possible for Christians to turn away from the Lord and be lost after having been born again.
 
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