OSAS being False Doctrine!

[Big Boy Johnson]

Being then made free from sin…

If one keeps living in sin... they are very obviously NOT free from sin and will reap corruption according to Gal 6:7,8

Jesus says it this way:

John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

Those not departing from living in sin to abide in Christ... will not remain in God's Kingdom and will be counted as tares in the end.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

This is what Christians are called to....


The New Man - Newness of Life

Now the OSAS peoples will claim that anybody that does not embrace their false doctrine by only reading their favorite few happy verses will claim they are trying to earn their salvation by doing good works, and by stopping sin in their lives.

Some actually claim that is one does not continue living in sin, they are trying to earn their way to Heaven. All such foolishness is not biblical. Even though God's Word says He forbids that we continue in sin, that grace may abound (Romans 6:1,2)

Christians are called, and ordained by God to put off the old man and to walk in newness of life. To be a child of obedience, not a child of disobedience. The wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience. (Colossians 3:5,6)

Here’s a few scriptural truths to consider that the OSAS peoples either don’t want to talk about, try to explain away, or will come up with some excuse to claim these scriptures aren’t for Christians today.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

It's not a matter of trying to earn salvation thru good works... It's a matter of being obedient verses being disobedient!

Those that accept the calling of the Lord and become new creatures in Christ Jesus abiding in Him doing good works by the power of the Holy Spirit within as the Lord leads... these are true children of God.

Those claiming to be saved not walking in obedience have rejected the ordination and calling of the Lord and are the children of disobedience who refuse to put on the new man and walk in newness of life to stop being servants of sin...

Colossians 3:5-9
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Romans 6:4-6
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Colossians 3:5,6
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

As these scripture references indicate, those not accepting the calling of the Lord to be led by the Holy Ghost into walking after the new man are in disobedience... which will NOT end well for them unless they repent of their sin and get with the Lord's game plan!

 

[Taken]

If one keeps living in sin...

What does a person CONTINUING to live in sin (AGAINST God, WITHOUT God) have to do with a person who has been MADE FREE (Gods Spirit WITH and IN that person) FROM sin ?

Do you BELIEVE the Almighty, All Knowing God IS NOT ALL KNOWING?

Do you BELIEVE God IS FOOLED by mankind…?
That He SAVES a persons SOUL, QUICKENS a persons SPIRIT….by, through, of The Baptism of HIS Holy Spirit…
THEN says WHOOPS…
GEE,
THAT:
He did NOT KNOW…that person WOULD REJECT Him…STAND AGAINST HIM…?
AND;
THEN WHAT?

Where is Gods Word TAUGHT? Written IN Scriptures?
THAT;
ONCE a person IS SAVED & QUICKENED…
THAT;
Mankind CAN FOOL Him?
One Teaching, One Example of God:
“Un-SAVING a mans soul”?
“Un-QUICKENING a mans spirit”?
“Un-Baptizing a person with His Spirit’?
“Un-Converting a person”?
“Un-MAKING a person WHOLE”?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

In most cases... this means people believe Christians have a license to sin, to live after the flesh rejecting the Lord's leading cause they think "I can live however I want" and they think they are still going to Heaven.

Not for the the born again Christian. You claim "in most cases" as if you put 2.65 billion Christians on trial, examined each and everyone of their lives. You paint a
broad brush strokes with off colors. Your judgments are quite distasteful, disrespectful, a dishonor to thise who are Christians.
Now as for liberal churches teaching homosexuality or other sinful practices, they think they can pick and choose scripture that works for their lifestyle and discard the rest, but they are obviously not in Christ.
And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness” Romans 6:15-18
>>While we have been saved by grace, it is not a licence to live irresponsibly and say Jesus has died for our sins. WE KNOW THIS! I have already stated being slaves to God by being obedient. If you believe in Him, that means you are going to do what He says.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

This is what Christians are called to....


The New Man - Newness of Life

Now the OSAS peoples will claim that anybody that does not embrace their false doctrine by only reading their favorite few happy verses will claim they are trying to earn their salvation by doing good works, and by stopping sin in their lives.

Some actually claim that is one does not continue living in sin, they are trying to earn their way to Heaven. All such foolishness is not biblical. Even though God's Word says He forbids that we continue in sin, that grace may abound (Romans 6:1,2)

Christians are called, and ordained by God to put off the old man and to walk in newness of life. To be a child of obedience, not a child of disobedience. The wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience. (Colossians 3:5,6)

Here’s a few scriptural truths to consider that the OSAS peoples either don’t want to talk about, try to explain away, or will come up with some excuse to claim these scriptures aren’t for Christians today.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

It's not a matter of trying to earn salvation thru good works... It's a matter of being obedient verses being disobedient!

Those that accept the calling of the Lord and become new creatures in Christ Jesus abiding in Him doing good works by the power of the Holy Spirit within as the Lord leads... these are true children of God.

Those claiming to be saved not walking in obedience have rejected the ordination and calling of the Lord and are the children of disobedience who refuse to put on the new man and walk in newness of life to stop being servants of sin...

Colossians 3:5-9
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Romans 6:4-6
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Colossians 3:5,6
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

As these scripture references indicate, those not accepting the calling of the Lord to be led by the Holy Ghost into walking after the new man are in disobedience... which will NOT end well for them unless they repent of their sin and get with the Lord's game plan!

Here's the real test BIG BOY, your FRUIT THAT YOU DISPLAY IN THE REAL WORLD - NOT ONLINE!
We all know you don't reflect Christ in every way and that sometimes you fail! I don't pick up warmth, love, kindness, gentleness, hope, joy, peace, humilty - even faith in your posts, just judgments.

After claiming this holy life that you pretend to live ( that you assume a huge portion of Christianity does not possess), the BIG QUESTION IS - how you love others and how others see you. Do they see your fruit?
Y or N?

Are you totally unselfish, a giver, one who would put others needs first, never expect anything in return?
Y or N?

Does everyone around you who really knows you, refer to you as a Saint, a blessing in their lives?
Y or N?

Are you so pure that you actually believe years have gone by without sin in your life since you claimed to be saved ( which you are not really certain about)?
Y or N?

Any lustful thoughts or giving into temptations?
Y or N?

You haven't had to apoplogize, ask for someone's forgiveness, confess sin to others or God?
Y or N?

Do you claim to walk in the Spirit without ever sinning, backsliding into old ways?
Y or N?

If you answered yes to one of these, I would be surprised if it was true.
Be honest with yourslef. Take off your mask, stop deceiving yourself. You will not go down in the books next to Mother Teresa or Billy Graham. If you really claim to be this HOLY SAINT and you are not, God will surely chastise you!

 

[ScottA]

And yet over and over and over and over the OSAS peoples claim after one gets born again if they continue living in sin they are still saved and will still go to Heaven.

So you [you] condemn Paul, who--as it is written, after having been saved on the road to Damascus claimed to struggle and not do what he willed to do.

But [you] are not judge.


PS, This topic is just one of the issues that has come as a result of foretold false teachers entering into the church, already at work bringing in destructive doctrines 2,000 years ago, which now unfortunately have become the common and acceptable standard, which they are not.

Now, if you would believe any of these things that were foretold, there is a great need for correction, as it was also foretold that we would be led unto all truth by the Holy Spirit when the seventh angel is about to sound. You can be apart of this correction or face "weeping and gnashing of teeth" for not hearing what the Spirit says to the churches. In which case, if you can receive it, there is a very simple answer to all such issues. And yet if you are not ready or willing to receive it, you will indeed not receive it. Therefore, if there is even a whisper of doubt about what you have come to believe under the tutelage of the factual and foretold false teachers--ask.

James 4:2-4​

You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.​

...Which many do simply by not discerning the times.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What does a person CONTINUING to live in sin (AGAINST God, WITHOUT God) have to do with a person who has been MADE FREE (Gods Spirit WITH and IN that person) FROM sin ?

Er... the whole point of this discussion is that after getting set free from sin when one gets born again, so fall away and go back to living in sin and are no longer free from sin meaning they are no longer in right standing with God because they turned and walked away.

One cannot continue in sin or go back to living in sin and still be in right standing with the Lord. Those that think this is possible are adherents of greasy grace peddling a license to sin.

The Lord tells up to NOT be entangle again in the bondage of sin!

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

You see... WE are going to have to take a stand in the liberty the Lord has purchased for us... thru Christ who strengthens us (Philippians 4:13)

Not for the the born again Christian.

Sure is funny how so many claiming to be Christians have sin in their lives... which proves what God's Word says about the falling away we would see in the end times.

if you put 2.65 billion Christians

That's a major error on your part... there isn't anywhere near that many Christians in the world... a large majority of that number are catholics and those that know God's Word understand and know that catholics are not Christians for obvious reasons.

While we have been saved by grace, it is not a licence to live irresponsibly

And yet OSAS teaches that even if one did live in sin they will still go to Heaven.

We all know you don't reflect Christ in every way and that sometimes you fail!

Big difference between willing and knowingly doing sinful things... which I do not do in my life... and making mistakes such as forgetting something or maybe dropping your fork at dinner, or spilling your ice tea...

Yeah, not perfect in the literal sense as no one is. BUT, that does not mean one cannot live morally upright before the Lord after having become born again and being filled with the Holy Ghost... thru Christ who strengthens us (Philippians 4:13)

So you [you] condemn Paul, who--as it is written, after having been saved on the road to Damascus claimed to struggle and not do what he willed to do.

That's error [error] on your part... Romans 7 man is not a born again Christian! Romans 7 man tells us he is sold under sin which is not where a born again Christian stands!

The answer to Romans 7 is Romans 8 so keep reading.

1 Corinthians 9:27
I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway (G0096 in Strong's) = unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate.

This is the same greek word used in Romans 1:28 when the Lord turned those over to a reprobate mind who refused retain God in their knowledge and walk with Him.

This means, Paul believed that if he did not control himself and went back to walking after the flesh HE would be unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate!

Obviously the Apostle Paul did not believe in "once saved, always saved" aka "eternal security"

foretold false teachers entering into the church

These false teachers brought in another gospel and another jesus.... it started when rome made Christianity it's state religion and resulted in pagan practices being mixed in the Christianity and that leaven poisoned the true Gospel as was taught in the Book of Acts

From there was see the pagan beliefs brought in by augustine leading to the so called reformers all of who brought in damnable hearties just like God's Word said would happen... and OSAS is one of the heresies that came out of calvinism which is not biblical in the least.

But, you are welcome to believe it is biblical and follow it to your hearts desire! Some folk just gotta learn the hard way when they could instead accept the whole counsel of God rather than therir select few happy verses.

A partial gospel... not accepting all that the Lord says.... is a false gospel.

A righteous judgement concerning doctrine is to simply compare what people believe to the whole counsel of God and OSAS comes up woefully short.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Er... the whole point of this discussion is that after getting set free from sin when one gets born again, so fall away and go back to living in sin and are no longer free from sin meaning they are no longer in right standing with God because they turned and walked away.

One cannot continue in sin or go back to living in sin and still be in right standing with the Lord. Those that think this is possible are adherents of greasy grace peddling a license to sin.

The Lord tells up to NOT be entangle again in the bondage of sin!

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

You see... WE are going to have to take a stand in the liberty the Lord has purchased for us... thru Christ who strengthens us (Philippians 4:13)



Sure is funny how so many claiming to be Christians have sin in their lives... which proves what God's Word says about the falling away we would see in the end times.



That's a major error on your part... there isn't anywhere near that many Christians in the world... a large majority of that number are catholics and those that know God's Word understand and know that catholics are not Christians for obvious reasons.



And yet OSAS teaches that even if one did live in sin they will still go to Heaven.



Big difference between willing and knowingly doing sinful things... which I do not do in my life... and making mistakes such as forgetting something or maybe dropping your fork at dinner, or spilling your ice tea...

Yeah, not perfect in the literal sense as no one is. BUT, that does not mean one cannot live morally upright before the Lord after having become born again and being filled with the Holy Ghost... thru Christ who strengthens us (Philippians 4:13)



That's error [error] on your part... Romans 7 man is not a born again Christian! Romans 7 man tells us he is sold under sin which is not where a born again Christian stands!

The answer to Romans 7 is Romans 8 so keep reading.

1 Corinthians 9:27
I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway (G0096 in Strong's) = unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate.

This is the same greek word used in Romans 1:28 when the Lord turned those over to a reprobate mind who refused retain God in their knowledge and walk with Him.

This means, Paul believed that if he did not control himself and went back to walking after the flesh HE would be unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate!

Obviously the Apostle Paul did not believe in "once saved, always saved" aka "eternal security"



These false teachers brought in another gospel and another jesus.... it started when rome made Christianity it's state religion and resulted in pagan practices being mixed in the Christianity and that leaven poisoned the true Gospel as was taught in the Book of Acts

From there was see the pagan beliefs brought in by augustine leading to the so called reformers all of who brought in damnable hearties just like God's Word said would happen... and OSAS is one of the heresies that came out of calvinism which is not biblical in the least.

But, you are welcome to believe it is biblical and follow it to your hearts desire! Some folk just gotta learn the hard way when they could instead accept the whole counsel of God rather than therir select few happy verses.

A partial gospel... not accepting all that the Lord says.... is a false gospel.

A righteous judgement concerning doctrine is to simply compare what people believe to the whole counsel of God and OSAS comes up woefully short.

I see you avoided answering any of my questions! Come on, they are straight forward and easy, not essay questions ... just YES OR NO.
After claiming this holy life that you pretend to live ( that you assume a huge portion of Christianity does not possess), 1.) the BIG QUESTION IS - how you love others and how others see you. Do they see your fruit?
Y or N?

2.) Are you totally unselfish, a giver, one who would put others needs first, never expect anything in return?
Y or N?

3.) Does everyone around you who really knows you, refer to you as a Saint, a blessing in their lives?
Y or N?

4.) Are you so pure that you actually believe years have gone by without sin in your life since you claimed to be saved ( which you are not really certain about)?
Y or N?

5.) Any lustful thoughts or giving into temptations?
Y or N?

6.) Have you had to apoplogize, ask for someone's forgiveness, confess sin to others or God?
Y or N?

7.) Do you claim to walk in the Spirit without ever sinning, backsliding into old ways?
Y or N?

 

[ScottA]

That's error [error] on your part... Romans 7 man is not a born again Christian! Romans 7 man tells us he is sold under sin which is not where a born again Christian stands!

The answer to Romans 7 is Romans 8 so keep reading.

1 Corinthians 9:27
I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway (G0096 in Strong's) = unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate.

This is the same greek word used in Romans 1:28 when the Lord turned those over to a reprobate mind who refused retain God in their knowledge and walk with Him.

This means, Paul believed that if he did not control himself and went back to walking after the flesh HE would be unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate!

Obviously the Apostle Paul did not believe in "once saved, always saved" aka "eternal security"

The error is yours. You apparently missed Romans 7:17 : "But now."

As for "castaway", Paul did not say he was one, but rather that he was not one. But he was not speaking of losing salvation, but being a hypocrite or a liar...of which, indeed, there are many within the church. For one who is castaway or "unapproved" is by definition not first approved, meaning not saved. But he was speaking hypothetically referring to his past and the change that had occurred in him--which was not him, but "Christ in him", just as he said.

 

[ScottA]

These false teachers brought in another gospel and another jesus.... it started when rome made Christianity it's state religion and resulted in pagan practices being mixed in the Christianity and that leaven poisoned the true Gospel as was taught in the Book of Acts

From there was see the pagan beliefs brought in by augustine leading to the so called reformers all of who brought in damnable hearties just like God's Word said would happen... and OSAS is one of the heresies that came out of calvinism which is not biblical in the least.

But, you are welcome to believe it is biblical and follow it to your hearts desire! Some folk just gotta learn the hard way when they could instead accept the whole counsel of God rather than therir select few happy verses.

A partial gospel... not accepting all that the Lord says.... is a false gospel.

A righteous judgement concerning doctrine is to simply compare what people believe to the whole counsel of God and OSAS comes up woefully short.

That is just more error on your part, as the destructive doctrines are of the works of Satan via the antiChrist spirit "already at work" during the first days of the church; also evident in the seven churches named in Revelation, as Jesus had somewhat against 5 out of the 7 even then.

And you call the kettle black, accusing a partial gospel, when you yourself have not reconciled all scripture. But you being the accuser--make your case: Name one scripture referring to the saved losing their salvation that you believe you have reconciled, and I will show you how you have not.

 

[Taken]

Er... the whole point of this discussion is that after getting set free from sin when one gets born again, so fall away and go back to living in sin and are no longer free from sin meaning they are no longer in right standing with God because they turned and walked away.

You still DO NOT GET IT.

Believing is ONE THING, Wholly Effected by the individual persons CHOICE to BELIEVE and the individual persons POWER to KEEP Believing.

Conversion is ANOTHER THING, Wholly Effected by the individual persons CHOICE to Believe AND Heartfully, Give TO the Lord God, his Bodily Life unto Death ONCE and Forever, FOR the POWER of God to RE-MAKE that individuals BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT, Wholly Acceptable unto Him, ONCE and Forever…
AND KEEP that individuals BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT Sealed and KEPT Sealed unto God, by, through, of Gods POWER.

You underestimate Gods ALL-KNOWING and Gods ALL-POWER.
AS IF…a SEALED man HAS the POWER to UNSEAL himself and RETURN to DISBELIEVING IN the Lord God.

Not POSSIBLE FOR A MAN to UNSEAL the KINGS SEAL.

One cannot continue in sin or go back to living in sin

A BELIEVER CAN.
A CONVERTED MAN CAN NOT.

and still be in right standing with the Lord. Those that think this is possible are adherents of greasy grace peddling a license to sin.

The Lord tells up to NOT be entangle again in the bondage of sin!

ENTANGLED is Warning TO
THOSE WHO ARE SET FREE!

DO NOT ALLOW “your MIND” to control your BEHAVIOR which is “contrary” to Gods Word, BECAUSE IT WILL CAST A NEGATIVE REFLECTION ON YOU, BY OTHERS WHO HAVE BECOME MADE SET FREE!

An individual SET FREE, can STILL be INFLUENCED by Wicked men OF this World to MINDFULLY, LOGICALLY, GREEDILY, RATIONALIZE their BEHAVIOR is “OKAY”, as long as “THEY” are FREED.

Parents are pretty good at ACCEPTING, lying, cheating, stealing, homosexuality behavior of their Children, WHEN the parent FEARS a possibility of BEING cut off and separated from their child.

The General Population is pretty good at ACCEPTING of FREEBIES from the Government, Full well knowing, the Government must FIRST Unconstitutionally Steal the Wealth of Others OR Borrow the Funds to PAY the PRICE of the FREEBIES the Government doles out.

The Conniving men OF THIS WORLD, spin psychological WEBS of underhandedness and use every means possible from SMILES, to LIES, to THREATS, to FORCE to gander participation and approval from the People at Large.

Gods WARNING TO the CONVERTED is to NOT BECOME “ENTANGLED” with others who participate and approve such exampled underhandedness.

IS a Converted persons ASSUREDNESS of CONVERSION “THREATENED ?

No. However THEY MAY Gain An unfavorable Reputation among men.

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

And yet OSAS teaches that even if one did live in sin they will still go to Heaven.

Hogwash.
You fail at pretending yourself qualified to teach what you do not believe.
Would you solicit an Atheist to teach you about God?
Why would you, who does not BELIEVE Once a man IS SAVED, he is SAVED forever, pretend himself qualified to teach about OSAS?

Obviously the Apostle Paul did not believe in "once saved, always saved" aka "eternal security"

Saul the Jew, was Never Skeptical of Security and Assurance in Gods Power to Save mens souls and Quicken their spirits.

Saul the Jew, WAS Skeptical of JESUS being Gods Christ Messiah Anointed One….UNTIL the Lord CHOSE Saul to Hear the Lords Voice, and IMMEDIATELY Saul Responded TO DO WHATEVER the Lord WOULD Have Him do…
At THAT moment, Saul BELIEVED and Saul CALLED ON the Lord AND Declared his WILLINGNESS to SERVE the Lord and Became CALLED by his Gentile Name Paul, and Separated, Secured, Saved Forever by Lord God and SERVED out the days of his Natural Life as a Servant of the Lord God.

Was the REST of Paul’s natural life HARD?
Yes!
Did Paul continually SUFFER at the Tribulations of Wicked men?
Yes!
Did Paul EVER AGAIN…deny, reject, stand against (WHICH IS A MANS SIN!!!)
the Lord God…?
No!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I see you avoided answering any of my questions!

I'm not interrogating you... so, I'm not accepting interrogation either.
Nobody is under any obligation to answer any of your questions.

You apparently missed Romans 7:17 : "But now."

Uh huh, even if your erroneous assumption WAS actually true... Romans 8 provides the answer and the fix for Romans 7 man... so walk in what Romans 8 teaches and quit being a sinner!

Those that don't allow the Holy Ghost to LIVE in them... will never stop sinning, and they won't be found in Heaven either as only those led by the Holy Spirit are the sons of God.

But hey, if you want to advocate for living in sin... it's your funeral buddy! It will not end well.

As for "castaway", Paul did not say he was one, but rather that he was not one.

Read it again... he said IF he did not keep his flesh under control he WOULD be a castaway... thus teaching OSAS is false doctrine and something he does not espouse.

IF the false doctrine of OSAS was actually true... Paul would have said "meh, it doesn't matter if I control my fleshly desires... I can sin all I want and I'm still going to Heaven... yippee!"

Name one scripture referring to the saved losing their salvation that you believe you have reconciled, and I will show you how you have not.

Those that have been brainwashed by the false teachers will undoubtedly advocate for false doctrine being true. I've already posted tons of scripture proving one can lose their salvation... claim it ain't so all you'd like... just like the liberals claiming some isn't true when it is... does not make it not true.

So, feel free to claim it's not true till you turn blue... those that know God's Word won't be listening to you!...

You still DO NOT GET IT.

Oh I get it alright... some folks can only see a handful of happy verses and ignore or explain away the rest because this is how their handlers taught them to roll. Enjoy!

ENTANGLED is Warning TO
THOSE WHO ARE SET FREE!

Exactly! Warning Christians to not go back to their sin... so they don't end up going to hell!

Cause if they do, they will not be free anymore... but entangled!

Hogwash.

No matter how much lipstick you put on that old OSAS pig... it's still just the teaching of swine.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I'm not interrogating you... so, I'm not accepting interrogation either.
Nobody is under any obligation to answer any of your questions.

Your whole OP and followed up posts are attacks, with mocking, belittling, a disgraceful and dishonoring spirit, against a fundamental belief in Christianity _ in fact _ our faith in Christ _ our definition of faith _ a gift that God promises _ salvation that exists now _ that we with confidence and assurance possess.
YOU, like a prosecuting attorney rails at a convicted person (who has already been acquitted by God) with your interrogation, certainly can dish it out but can't take it.
The problem is, you are the one on trial. You claim to have a sinless faith, to be this holy saint who walks with your head in the clouds as if you're separate from the everyday actions of your flesh. This will happen when we die, but until then we live and war with the flesh as it wars against the spirit.
These questions are intrusive; because you have been nothing but an interrogating, legalistic, intrusive person, attacking our faith ( which should be put on report at this point). The only way to redeem yourself and prove your view is with evidence in your own life. It is your conviction, your theology ... so prove it. As we believe and claim, " By their fruit you will know them".
Do you just talk the talk or walk the walk - practice what you preach?
Be transparent and answer a few questions about your personal life. All Christians I know are willing to be transparent, confess their sins.
You are bearing false witness against your neighbor, it is defamation of character! THIS IS SIN, with your arrogant, fleshly disposition and attitude that to me is offensive and a disgrace.
You are deceiving yourself, in denial. You know the answers to those questions are all NO. Maybe at some point in your life, someone said in passing for a good deed done, " You're a saint"! Well, most of us have received that complement more than once, but it is not a statement made to express the totality of our character. Are we all Christ-like the moment we become born again? Spiritually, but not our fleshly bodies, which have not physically died yet. We are to render them dead as Christ did 1990 years ago. Biblically we are all saints - spiritually, but fail to live and walk in the Spirit 100% of the time! You claim that YOU DO. Bravo - prove it. The proof is in the pudding as they say.
You like to put us on the stand, but you are not willing to take the stand, not wanting anyone to see who you really are.

But that is what we get on the internet, people who talk the talk and can't back up what they preach with evidence.
Grow up!

 

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Nobody is under any obligation to answer any of your questions.

Actually, A teacher of Gods Word SHOULD answer questions regarding their own teaching and SHOULD be able to IDENTIFY Scriptural Evidence to SUPPORT their teaching.

2 Tim 4:
[2] Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

 

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Uh huh, even if your erroneous assumption WAS actually true... Romans 8 provides the answer and the fix for Romans 7 man... so walk in what Romans 8 teaches and quit being a sinner!

Scripture TEACHES to Turn Away from SIN.

Those that don't allow the Holy Ghost to LIVE in them... will never stop sinning,

Correct.

 

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But hey, if you want to advocate for living in sin...

That poster did not advocate to live in sin.

 

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Read it again... he said IF he did not keep his flesh under control he WOULD be a castaway... thus teaching OSAS is false doctrine and something he does not espouse.

You Seem to have MISSED a VERY IMPORTANT Scriptural Lesson ABOUT “WHAT SIN IS…WHEN, WHY, WHO” sin APPLIES to OR NOT”...

IF…you are a natural born person, YOU ARE naturally BORN IN SIN…A SINNER, WHICH IS: (HAVING DISBELIEF IN the Lord God Almighty).

IF…you are a natural born Hebrew, Israelite, Jew….your SIN IS:
(HAVING DISBELIEF IN the Lord God Almighty.)
AND…
(VIOLATING ANY MOSAIC LAW).
AND…
(The Obligation to Teach Mosaic Law to a mans offspring, was appointed to the father of his own offspring.)
AND…
(Violation of Mosaic Law WAS appointed to the father to Correct / Punish his own offspring, ACCORDING to Mosaic Law.)
AND…
(Violations of Mosaic Law BETWEEN and AMONG MEN WAS appointed to the PRIEST to Hear their DIFFERENCES and Correct / Punish the men, ACCORDING to Mosaic Law).

An ISRAELITE / JEW has the God Given RIGHT OF FREEWILL, to CHOOSE his OWN BELIEFS.

IF … a person is a natural born GENTILE person, he IS naturally born IN SIN, a SINNER, (HAVING DISBELIEF in the Lord God Almighty.)

A GENTILE ALSO has the God Give RIGHT OF FREEWILL, to CHOOSE his OWN BELIEFS.

IF … you ARE a GENTILE, YOU were NOT GIVEN The WHOLE Mosaic LAW TO OBEY or SUBECT to CURSE (penalty) LAWS within Mosaic Law, FOR NOT Obeying. Nor WAS a JEWISH (PRIEST / RABBI) Appointed to HEAR your Disagreements BETWEEN and AMONG men.

IF…you ARE a Gentile, AND studied the MOSAIC LAW….YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE, WITHIN the Law itself IS EXPRESSLY Addressed THREE THINGS…
1) PRECEPTS…
2) STATUTES…
3) LAWS…
(Neh 9:14)

1: Precepts are Gods teaching OF Positive (favorable) and Negative (unfavorable) BEHAVIORS between and among PEOPLE.
(Positive Behaviors between and among PEOPLE is the means by which PEOPLE establish PEACE between and among PEOPLE.)
(Negative Behaviors between and among PEOPLE is the means by which TRESPASSING of People Against People is established.)

Gentiles were NOT “UNDER THE LAW”…but certainly ARE UNDER Benefiting FROM Positive Precepts and Subject to Experiencing Another mans TRESPASSING AGAINST him, for not Following Gods Teaching of Positive Precepts.

The STATUTES ARE Gods WRITTEN LAWS, Expressly given the Hebrews, Israelites, Jews.

The 3rd mentioned LAWS, are COMMON LAWS, that may or may not be Written, but certainly are revealed. Those “LAWS” begin in the “kingdom, castle, or otherwise HOME” of a Family…. SET by the Head of Household, the father, then mother, that Applies TO the father, mother, any children and anyone else that occupies their home, as a live in or guest.

Scriptural Teaching…TEACHES ABOUT the Lord God Almighty.

Scripture Teaching…ALSO Teaches ABOUT The Lord God Almighty’s Creations AND Makings of His Creations.

Scriptural Teaching…ALSO Teaches ABOUT men WHO….Believe IN God, Deny God, Reject God, Don’t Believe IN God, Believe IN God and Commit to Him, Believe IN God yet make NO Commitment to Him…etc.

Israelites / Gentiles are EACH RACES by their Natural Birth….and Yet Individuals with their OWN FREEWILL to Believe, commit or not, AS they individually CHOOSE.

JESUS, IS the Word of God, SENT forth out of Gods MOUTH, to Earth, in the Likeness as a man TO TEACH Jews, HOW and WHAT to TEACH JEWS/ TRIBESMEN/ GENTILES….ABOUT GOD…
WITH the Teaching of Gods Promises and Encouragement TO MEN, TO CHOOSE Gods WAY, Effects the ONLY WAY, to BE MADE to;
* Be FOREVER Forgiven their SIN AGAINST God…(Which IS DISBELIEF)..
* Be FOREVER Soul Saved. (Restored)
* Be FOREVER WITH the Lord God Almighty.
* Be FOREVER spirit Quickened. (Spirit born again, with Gods Supernatural Seed.)
* Be PREPARED to Serve the Lord God, BY SPEAKING HIS Truth.
* Be JUSTIFIED to Be RAISED IN A new Glorified Wholly, Whole, Holy Body.

JESUS, the Word of God WAS ALSO SENT forth FROM Heaven TO Earth…
TO FULFILL Mosaic LAW.

You appear to be UNKNOWING….of the FACTS THAT….
The Promise of Soul SAVING is ONE thing.
The Promise of Soul SAVING has CONDITIONS.
The CONDITIONS ARE:
1) The Individuals TRUE Heartful BELIEF IN God.
2) The SOUL is ONLY Saved AFTER the Body Dies.

THAT APPLIED, IN the OT and Continues to APPLY to this DAY….However … After JESUS FULFILLED the LAW…

JESUS OFFERED mankind A “NEW, BETTER TESTAMENT”

This NEW BETTER TESTAMENT IS Conditional ….
A man WHO:
Heartfully Believes IN God and IN JESUS and IN JESUS IS THE CHRIST and CONFESSES his heartful Belief and Willingness to Give his body UNTO DEATH (crucified with JESUS’ BODY)…
THAT man HAVING willingly, freely given his TRUE Heartful Testimony and Confession…
THEN BY THE POWER OF GOD….RIGHT THEN that man is FOREVER FORGIVEN his SIN (disbelief) Against God, RIGHT THEN, that man IS MADE SOUL SAVED and RIGHT THEN that man is MADE SPIRIT QUICKENED ie Born of God.
And THAT man IS ASSURED to FOREVER BE WITH GOD, and GOD FOREVER BE with THAT man…….AND NEVER AGAIN, BY THE POWER OF GOD WITH and IN that man, CAN THAT MAN EVER AGAIN SIN (disbelieve) IN the Lord God Almighty.
THAT ^ is the Understanding OF ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.

Once the SAVING occurs, BY the Power of God…The SAVED is KEPT SAVED BY the Power of God.

 

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IF the false doctrine of OSAS was actually true... Paul would have said "meh, it doesn't matter if I control my fleshly desires... I can sin all I want and I'm still going to Heaven... yippee!"

Paul’s “listeners” were ALL his “brothers”…
Same “RACE” “brothers”.
Jews were his “brothers”, via Paul’s Jewish race. (Via his father)
Gentiles were his “brothers” via Paul’s Gentiles’ race. (Via his mother)

Paul’s “listeners” ALSO included Paul’s “brethren”, which IS: men who Spiritually BELIEVE IN the SAME GOD.

Paul spoke and taught IN FIRST PERSON, TO his “brothers and brethren”.
Many teachers DO the SAME style of Teaching.
(School teachers my SAY to their students…
We are all going to be good boy’s and girl’s in the whole school assembly today, Aren’t We?)
Do you think that means the Teacher IS a boy AND girl Student?

Paul was already SAVED, Sanctified (set apart), Spirit Quickened (born again) BEFORE he was SENT out to Preach.

What you SHOULD have Understood from Paul’s Preaching IS: God DOES NOT … CHANGE an individuals MIND THOUGHTS….
A mans MIND’S thought can be COMPLETELY in CONTRAST to a MANS new born again spirits thoughts IN his heart!!
A man CAN NOT CONTROL the stupid, ignorant, anti-God thoughts that come INTO his MIND.
Paul even gives example of anti-God thoughts that came into his own MINDS thoughts.

The UNDERSTANDING IS: A man “WHO IS born again” HAS the POWER of God IN Him, TO MAKE his own MINDS THOUGHTS, subservient to his Hearts new Thoughts!!!

What the MIND May THINK, Becomes overpowered, superseded, by the heart’s thoughts!

Paul’s teaching on that TOPIC, was IN NO WAY, teaching to ignore the Hearts thoughts and embrace and do what pops into the man’s MIND that which is CONTRARY to Gods teaching.

 

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Those that have been brainwashed by the false teachers will undoubtedly advocate for false doctrine being true.

Those who preach false doctrines is not limited to what they do not believe, but as well they attempt to falsely preach that which others do believe.