OSAS being False Doctrine!

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I've already posted tons of scripture proving one can lose their salvation...

WHO has denied a man CAN LOOSE HIS SALVATION?

You think a man LOSING his Salvation NULLIFIES OSAS….that IS FALSE….and you reveal by Silence, you DO NOT KNOW or UNDERSTAND WHY.

 

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Oh I get it alright... some folks can only see a handful of happy verses and ignore or explain away the rest because this is how their handlers taught them to roll. Enjoy!

All Scripture IS TRUE.
All SCRIPTURE DOES NOT APPLY TO ALL men.
Complaining about a person ONLY applying Scripture TO him, that applies TO him, that some call “cherry-picking”, IS PRECISELY Gods Teaching!
IF you are a man, DO you APPLY Scriptures to yourself, that APPLY to ONLY a woman, a child?
IF you are a CONVERTED person, DO you APPLY Scripture to yourself, that APPLY to Atheists? To Believers who are NOT Converted?
IF so, WHY?
If not, You are cherry-picking!

 

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Exactly! Warning Christians to not go back to their sin... so they don't end up going to hell!

Christian IS a BROAD TERM that applies to NON-Converted Believers AND Converted Believers.
The warning of falling away, WAS GIVEN TO:
Those who ARE (Believing), (BUT NOT CONVERTED), because the Believing ONLY, only Believe and Keep Believing BY THEIR OWN POWER…(and maybe you missed the Scriptural Lesson…men ARE weak, Evil Angels are Clever at convincing WEAK men to fall FROM BELIEVING….and Wicked men are Clever at convincing WEAK men to fall FROM Believing….)
HOW does THAT WARNING “APPLY” to the CONVERTED, who ARE KEPT by Gods POWER? IT doesn’t!
Did you FORGET Gods Power is SUPREME…Evil angels, Wicked men….have NO POWER greater than Gods Power, to convince a CONVERTED man (WHO IS: WITH Gods Power), to fall away From Belief IN God!!!

Cause if they do, they will not be free anymore... but entangled!

That APPLIES to a NON-Converted Believer, and Yes they CAN FALL Away from Believing, and THUS multiple times in Scripture they ARE WARNED of that possibility.

 

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No matter how much lipstick you put on that old OSAS pig... it's still just the teaching of swine.

No matter how many times you Preach Against Gods Offering of His Assured Saving Grace OFFERED to be RECEIVED NOW (Before PHYSICAL DEATH) and a persons’ Choice to Accept Gods Offering of His Assured Salvation ACCORDING TO HIS WAY….you preaching in Contrast to Gods word is still in contrast to His word.

And obviously unaware of Scriptural Warnings of the consequences of False Accusations that Applies to you.

 

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Bodily ALIVE Believers IN the Lord God…
ARE NOT soul saved, NOT spirit quickened…nor Holy Spirit Baptized…

THEY CAN fall away!

IF they continue believing UNTIL the day their BODY Physically DIES….
THEN at THAT TIME, they SHALL BE SAVED!

A BELIEVER WHO calls on the Lords Name and CONFESSES his Heartful BELIEF….THEN, BEFORE his physical DEATH, but WILLING to BE Crucified WITH Christ…
IS THEN :
Forgiven, soul saved, spirit quickened, Baptized with the Holy Spirit, Sealed, Forever with God.

That is CALLED…a Living Sacrifice.
~ Rom 12:1
That MEANS…that man Freely is Giving his body unto DEATH “exclusively FOR God”.
And that man IS at THAT TIME…ASSURED Forever, (By the Power of God)…
His soul “IS” saved.
His spirit “IS” quickened.
He “IS” Baptized by the Holy Spirit.
He “can NEVER again SIN: (ie, not Believe).
He DOES NOT WAIT for physical bodily Death “to become saved”…HE “IS” SAVED!

He can NEVER become “un-saved”, ‘UN-quickened”, “UN-Baptized by the Holy Spirit”!!

OSAS applies ‘ONLY’ to Converted persons.

Those AGAINST, OSAS, Falsely imply and preach OSAS, applies to ALL Believers…when it does NOT.

A person CAN NEVER received soul salvation WITHOUT a bodily Death having occurred.
(Be that DEATH…A physical bodily death…OR a spiritual death, a living sacrifice, bodily crucified with Christ Jesus.)

 

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SHALL BE SAVED…applies to those who DO physically DIE Believing.
THEY “HOPE” to continue believing, before they physically die, so they SHALL then be Saved.
THEY “CAN” fall away Before their physical death.

ARE SAVED…applies to those CONVERTED Believers (who chose to be Crucified with Christ Jesus). THEY “ARE” Saved at that moment, regardless of WHEN their body physically dies.
They ARE ASSURED to NEVER fall away.

SHALL BE SAVED:
Matt.10:22
Matt.24:13
Mark.13:13
Mark.16:16
John.10:9
Acts.2:21
Acts.11:14
Acts.15:11
Rom.5: 9,
Rom.10:13
Rom.11:26
1Cor.3:15

Wholly DIFFERENT FROM those who
ARE Saved.
Rom 8:24
1 Cor 1:18
1 Cor 15:2
2 Cor 2:15
Eph 2:5
Rev 21:24

Also CALLED ARE Sanctified…(SET APART)
Acts 20:32
1 Cor 1:2
1 Cor 6:11
Heb 2:11
Heb 10: 10 & 14
Jude 1:1

Cherry Picking….? absolutely.
Shall be Saved applies to particular persons, AFTER physical death.
Are Saved applies to other particular persons, BEFORE physical death. (OSAS)
Are Sanctified applies to SAV-ED persons, BEFORE physical death. (OSAS)

If a person Does NOT comprehend the DIFFERENCE, by default, they are NOT qualified to debate or argue a DIFFERENCE they neither know or understand.

Glory to God,
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[Big Boy Johnson]

WHO has denied a man CAN LOOSE HIS SALVATION?

Er... all the OSAS peoples

Christian IS a BROAD TERM

Jesus said the path that leads to life is NARROW and few find it. (Matthew 7:14)

And obviously unaware of Scriptural Warnings of the consequences of False Accusations that Applies to you.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions... even erroneous ones such as yours.

You obviously do not accept the whole counsel of God and in true OSAS fashion you seek to explain away or ignore God's warnings He wrote to Christians so they would know from Him what NOT to do if they want to abide in Him and be saved. You loss buddy!

He can NEVER become “un-saved”, ‘UN-quickened”, “UN-Baptized by the Holy Spirit”!!

Unless... and the Lord warns in His Word... this person sows to the flesh which WILL cause them to reap corruption.

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Shall be Saved applies to particular persons, AFTER physical death.

And those claiming to be Christians who lived in sin... will not be saved.

 

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Er... all the OSAS peoples

FLAT OUT FALSE! I believe OSAS, and full well KNOW……HOW and WHY “particular persons” CAN Lose their Salvation!!

Jesus said the path that leads to life is NARROW and few find it. (Matthew 7:14)



Everyone is entitled to their own opinions... even erroneous ones such as yours.

You obviously do not accept the whole counsel of God and in true OSAS fashion you seek to explain away or ignore God's warnings He wrote to Christians so they would know from Him what NOT to do if they want to abide in Him and be saved. You loss buddy!

FLAT OUT FALSE. I not only KNOW the Warnings, but addressed the Warnings.

YOU…have NOT ONCE acknowledged …
WHAT “SIN” is.
WHO “warnings” apply to OR “why”.
The Difference Between “A Believer” and a “Converted” person.

You simply hurl accusations, without a shred of applicable Scripture to support your accusations.

Unless... and the Lord warns in His Word... this person sows to the flesh which WILL cause them to reap corruption.

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

AND? SO? NOT news….That applies to ANY man who has not been CONVERTED.

but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

AND ? SO? NOT news…That applies to ANY man who IS Converted.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin,

WHAT IS SIN?

then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine …

No they are NOT. A person who rejects OSAS, is simply revealed by their own declaration. NOT some by stander deciding FOR them with some made up nonsense.

(and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!)....

Friends might FORSAKE “them”…. LOL…who cares? I have ZERO obligation to BELIEVE IN MEN, or BE concerned if another man and myself DIFFER in our Beliefs. If a Friend desires to become my foe, so what? I have established MY Standing WITH God and AM Secure in MY Standing.

and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Oh Good grief…Stop pretending people have said what they have NOT said. God IS THE ONE revealing His Knowledge and His Understanding, that His gift of Salvation He has Given a man…IS Permanent.

So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

HOW, by WHAT precise meaning do you BELIEVE a person CAN LOSE their Salvation?

 

[amigo de christo]

And those claiming to be Christians who lived in sin... will not be saved.

Those who love their sin are not CHRISTAIN . And i should know . i once could even claim JESUS
and yet walked in darkness of sin . I was not HIS , was not born again .
IT was lip service big time . This people honorsme with their lips but THEIR HEART be far from me .
I could holler JESUS , but my heart was FAR FAR FROM HIM .
Remember this the next time you see pastors holding up rainbow flags and saying God is love
Remember this the next time you see the prosperity preachers
remember this the next time you see the nar folks in action
remember this WHEN YE SEE the dark social all inclusive false love gospel getting sung .
MANY DO NOT KNOW HIM . MANY ARE NOT HIS , they are as i once was , LOST and in darkness .
And worse many actually get up AND TEACH WHOLE HOUSES and large churches about a CHRIST they know NOTHING ABOUT
and leads them only into greater darkness . I HOPE THIS SCARES FOLKS BIG TIME .
BUt i hope that fear brings them to their knees and in prayer to GOD to show them THE WAY
GET IN THE BIBLE . JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY NAME WHEREBY ONE MAY BE SAVED .
BUT know this , if we lip HIS NAME and yet loveth lies and our sin , ITS JUST ANOTHER jesus we follow . THAT ONE CANNOT SAVE

 

[Triumph1300]

Hebrews 6:4-6 NIV​

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
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That sums it up.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hebrews 6:4-6 NIV​

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
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That sums it up.

Every word written is TRUTH . WE must simply learn to embrace IT ALL my friend . IF JESUS said it BELIEVE IT
IF the aposltes later wrote it , BELIEVE IT .
EVERY WORD APPLIES TO THE BELIEVERS . That is TRUTH and let no man try and say otherwise .
Too many try and omit things and say things like oh that part aint for us
or that part was for the jews . NO ITS ALL FOR US andits HIGH TIME the CHURCH learns anew TO LOVE THEM HOLY WORDS and to
BELIEVE THEM .

 

[Triumph1300]

All SCRIPTURE DOES NOT APPLY TO ALL men.

Really?
Which ones should we cross out?

A friend of mine would use a big fat felt pen crossing out scriptures she did not like or disagreed with.

 

[amigo de christo]

Really?
Which ones should we cross out?

The ones that dont agree with the leaders we sit under . THAT BE THE TRUTH my friend .
THEY , many simply CHOOSE to embrace what MEN have said and if MEN say THIS DONT apply THEN TO THEM IT DONT APPLY .
BUT THE LAMBS WONT HEED A ONE OF THEM . WE EMBRACE IT ALL .
because lambs dont sit under men who do such a thing . .lambs SIT UNDER JESUS CHRIST WHO TAUGHT THOSE THINGS
and inspired that DOCTRINE . that be why WE DONT TWIST IT and just BELIEVE IT . Lambs SIT UNDER JESUS and lambs
TEST ALL MEN

 

[amigo de christo]

Really?
Which ones should we cross out?

A friend of mine would use a big fat felt pen crossing out scriptures she did not like or disagreed with.

Sounds to me like your friend served a god all right . THE GOD OF SELF , and that one cannot save us .

 

[amigo de christo]

Really?
Which ones should we cross out?

A friend of mine would use a big fat felt pen crossing out scriptures she did not like or disagreed with.

Ask yourself something . DO you think that she served GOD or self . was she creating rather a god to her own liking
which agreed with what SHE DESIRED rather than what GOD HIMSELF HAD SAID . cause MANY DO THIS .
AND IT WONT BE BODING WELL ON THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST for those who did so either .

 

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Really?
Which ones should we cross out?

A friend of mine would use a big fat felt pen crossing out scriptures she did not like or disagreed with.

It does not have to do with “liking or agreeing”, rather “APPLICATION”…

Application is established BY WHAT the individual DOES Believe and DO.

Not Applicable is established BY …
WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHY, WHERE.

For example:

I am NOT a Hebrew, Tribesman, Jew….Much of scripture, particularly the OT applies to them ONLY.

I am a Gentile Converted IN Christ. Warnings to the NON-Converted and Negative Consequences for the NON-Converted, do not apply to me. Negative Consequences for those AGAINST God, AGAINST Christ the Lord Jesus….do not apply to me.
Gifts, Blessings, Promises TO the Converted, DO apply to me.

Understand?

 

[amigo de christo]

It does not have to do with “liking or agreeing”, rather “APPLICATION”…

Application is established BY WHAT the individual DOES Believe and DO.

Not Applicable is established BY …
WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHY, WHERE.

For example:

I am NOT a Hebrew, Tribesman, Jew….Much of scripture, particularly the OT applies to them ONLY.

I am a Gentile Converted IN Christ. Warnings to the NON-Converted and Negative Consequences for the NON-Converted, do not apply to me. Negative Consequences for those AGAINST God, AGAINST Christ the Lord Jesus….do not apply to me.
Gifts, Blessings, Promises TO the Converted, DO apply to me.

Understand?

NO , its simply about DO WE BELIEVE IT . TOO many have done what you are doing RIGHT NOW
and making some kind of excuse to overlook something .
IT would be like me saying to a crowd and teaching them about a diet .
Its a good diet too . I mean it gives the list of all we ought to eat and what not to eat .
BUT THEN some come along and WELL THEY STILL LIKE BIG MACS and WHOPPERS WITH TONS OF CHEESE
so what do they do , THEY SAY To others , HEY his list was only wrote for diabetics or non diabetics in places .
WHEN MY LIST WAS WRITTEN TO ALL . THEM WORDS ARE OUR MEAT MY FRIEND . EAT THEM and never
toss them aside saying things like oh this applies to this or that . THEM WORDS ARE OUR MEAT .

 

[amigo de christo]

It does not have to do with “liking or agreeing”, rather “APPLICATION”…

Application is established BY WHAT the individual DOES Believe and DO.

Not Applicable is established BY …
WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHY, WHERE.

For example:

I am NOT a Hebrew, Tribesman, Jew….Much of scripture, particularly the OT applies to them ONLY.

I am a Gentile Converted IN Christ. Warnings to the NON-Converted and Negative Consequences for the NON-Converted, do not apply to me. Negative Consequences for those AGAINST God, AGAINST Christ the Lord Jesus….do not apply to me.
Gifts, Blessings, Promises TO the Converted, DO apply to me.

Understand?

thats meat drinks and days . and pual already explained that . the same paul that also said
for we , AS IN THE CHURCH , are made partakers of CHRIST IF , IF we hold our confidence firm to THE END .
Look its time we set aside OSAS and even NON OSAS and rather JUST TEACH EVERY WORD JESUS TAUGHT
and EVERY WORD THE APOSTELS EVER WROTE . THAT BE THE KEY RIGHT THERE .

 

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Hebrews 6:4-6 NIV​

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
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That sums it up.

That is often misconstrued…meaning…ENLIGHTENED (is NOT having been Saved.) Enlightened is Expressly a man having HEARD Gods word….maybe even Believed it…BUT NEVER Became CONVERTED.

Those HEARING Gods word ARE BEING ENLIGHTENED….TO Gods TRUTH.
Believing or NOT….ANY man who HEARS Gods word….IS Given A small measure of a Gift from God………CALLED “FAITH”.

If that man “continues” Hearing (BEING ENLIGHTENED) that man “continues” receiving increased measures of Gods Gift of FAITH.
Gods GIFT of FAITH, is given a man BY, Gods Holy Spirit.

IF and when a man SHOULD STOP Hearing Gods word….his FAITH becomes Stagnant… no Increase, no decrease.

IF and when a man SHOULD BELIEVE what he is Hearing and STOPS Believing what he is Hearing….FAITH is no longer given him…AND he is called….
Having FALLEN FROM FAITH…

He has NOT FALLEN FROM Being SAV-ED and then UNSAV-ED.

He never Received SALVATION.

He is one WHO has LOST his SALVATION….by, through, of FORFEIT.

Salvation ALREADY is APPOINTED for EVERY MAN to RECEIVE.

IF A MAN DOES NOT (according to Gods WAY), Receive his Salvation….his loses his salvation.

Some men preach, a man cannot LOSE Salvation…UNTIL he FIRST “possess” “has been given” his Salvation….which is FALSE.

Salvation was PAID for and Offered to every man. IF they take it (according to Gods WAY to receive his Gift of salvation)….their receipt of Salvation IS accomplished.

IF the man REJECTS taking his salvation (According to Gods Way), he forfeits (loses) his salvation.

It is akin to a man made sweepstakes…
you may WIN a prize….but if you do not CLAIM, TAKE your prize by a DEADLINE…
You forfeit (lose) your prize….and it was your prize that you NEVER possessed.

Gods DEADLINE….for believers IS at the time of bodily Physical DEATH.

Gods DEADLINE….for CONVERTS IS at the time they give their body Crucified with Christ Jesus.