OSAS being False Doctrine!

[amigo de christo]

Yes, life has always been conditional, right from the outset. Adam and his wife could have lived forever on earth if they had just obeyed one simple command that caused them no hardship at all.
The same theme is repeated right throughout Israel’s history...obey and live...disobey and die. There has never been a guarantee of salvation to free willed creatures.....either in heaven or on earth.

2 Peter 2:20-22 says...
“20 Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first. 21 It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.”

Deliberate sin will rob us of salvation because it is conditional. God does his part, but we have to do ours.

Paul wrote in Hebrews 10:26-31....
“26 For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, 27 but there is a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a burning indignation that is going to consume those in opposition. 28 Anyone who has disregarded the Law of Moses dies without compassion on the testimony of two or three. 29 How much greater punishment do you think a person will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God and who has regarded as of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit of undeserved kindness with contempt? 30 For we know the One who said: “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again: “Jehovah will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

That’s it, continued obedience and a sincere effort to live a life without deliberate sin is the only way to salvation. We have to know what Christ taught and stick to it.
It is a choice to sin, and all choices have consequences.

It is written if we forsake Him , He will forsake us .
If what we have heard shall remain in us then we shall continue in the SON and in The Father .
Many once knew the gospel , even believed it
but along came a spider , a weaver of webs and lured them into another gospel by the guise of a false love that came not of GOD
but rather of the dragon and his men .
While it is true if one comes out they were never truly of us
IT is true too that the church must exhort the peoples with those same reminders JESUS and the apostels did teach .
Many better take heed lest they take hold of the error of the wicked and fall from their own steadfastness .
For the devil and his men roam the lands in search for souls to beguile and BEGUILE many he does .
The lambs shall not heed the voice of the strangers who do the work of the stranger .
They will contend for the true faith , being hearers and does of the Word , FOR GOD is with them .
And they will exhort with all reminders in that bible . There is a reason GOD says things .
There is a reason HE speaks . TO WARN and REMIND and by HELP of the SPIRIT which also would remind us
that we FALL NOT . heed the SPIRIT and not the flesh . HEED every WORD of GOD HE DID INSPIRE .
GOD cares for the sheep and HIS desire is good for the lambs .
His desire is that even the wicked would repent and not perish .
But if one denies HIM , believeth not on CHRIST JESUS , They will perish .
And GOD wont be mocked , if one calls upon the name of JESUS and claims to beleive
and yet follows the flesh , follows another jesus , loveth and embraces sins
This one has decieved themselves . For JESUS CHRIST never was , never is and never shall
be the ministir or justifier OF SIN . he justifies his peoples , BUT NEVER and NOT ONCE SIN .
HE paid the price of sins , But wont JUSTIFY EVIL , SIN . For JESUS is not the ministir of darkness of sin .
And i do beleive the church needs and needed to hear that reminder .
cause i been seeing this rainbow jesus , AND THAT AINT JESUS .
I been seeing this love do version that even denies the dire need to have believed ON JESUS CHRIST
AND THAT AINT JESUS , IT AINT COMING FROM GOD , IT AINT COMING from the SPIRIT
FOR THE SPIRIT TESTIFIES OF JESUS CHRIST . THE SPIRIT reminds us of HIS teachings , of the TRUTH .
THE SPIRIT workes in us that which is WELL pleasing unto GOD . AND SIN AINT well pleasing unto GOD .

 

[Ritajanice]

FOR THE SPIRIT TESTIFIES OF JESUS CHRIST . THE SPIRIT reminds us of HIS teachings , of the TRUTH .
THE SPIRIT workes in us that which is WELL pleasing unto GOD . AND SIN AINT well pleasing unto GOD

Praise God...Amen!!

 

[Raccoon1010]

What do you mean by instant conversion dev?

If you mean instantly “ Birthed in the Spirit “ then YES God births us in the Spirit instantly ,as you well know there is much more to it than that..,we imo are brought to believe in Jesus by God, Godly sorrow and repentance from the heart...

I believe God started drawing me to Jesus from the day I was born...everything I went through as a non believer happened for a reason and that was to draw me of believe in Jesus and birth me in the Spirit.

Those who get fed up with hearing, Ye Must be Born Again..is sad....I have been called to spread God’s word about the rebirth...you/ I cannot stop the will of God ..from being preached...as in me..going over and over about the rebirth...that is the Spirit in me and I must let him have his way...my flesh has no say in the matter...Praise God.

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◄ 1 Peter 1:23 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. New Living Translation For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. English Standard Version since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; Berean Standard Bible For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. Berean Literal Bible having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God, King James Bible Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I was referring to instant perfection when accepting Jesus and being born again. That is what conversion means to me. Being converted from our worldly ways to the ways of the Lord. I don't believe instant conversion happens.

As I posted for this thread perfection is selling all our possessions and living in common among the Saints of God. And living day by day in adherence to the sheep and goats message of our Lord. And I don't know of any church that has the courage or desire to teach that principle. Probably don't believe they will have enough converts to support their paid clergy if they teach the truth.

 

[Ritajanice]

I was referring to instant perfection when accepting Jesus and being born again. That is what conversion means to me. Being converted from our worldly ways to the ways of the Lord. I don't believe instant conversion happens.

Ok, thanks.

As I posted for this thread perfection is selling all our possessions and living in common among the Saints of God. And living day by day in adherence to the sheep and goats message of our Lord. And I don't know of any church that has the courage or desire to teach that principle. Probably don't believe they will have enough converts to support their paid clergy if they teach the truth.

Again..ok and thanks.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Perfect in this context is to live upright and blameless before the Lord... which of course is accomplished by the power of the Holy Ghost that we must choose to submit to.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

You said it right there. God makes us holy, we don't. Jesus is the Author of our faith.
These scriptures are guideposts to keep us in line, to steer us away from danger and we cooperate with His plan. Like signs on the road informs a driver of curves ahead, slow down, pedestrians crossing. We aren't claiming that since our faith is secure we can hold onto our sinful ways. We do abide in Him and all these warnings God gives are like those we give to our children. But we don't threaten them with death if they don't do something or misbehave. We punish them as God chastises us. Your judgments and implications are immature. There is hope, Big Boys grow up in faith.
Maybe someday you will be convinced that that you actually possess eternal life NOW, since it's not based on your performance!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Oh look, another self-righteous legalist who thinks he's sinlessly perfect and doesn't need Christ.

You should repent from doing that and instead.... accept what God says in His Word!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

We are saved and promised eternal life if we walk in the newness of life walk in the light walk in the spirit.

Exactly! Those that abide in Christ, baring fruit, and endure until the end of their lives are the ones actually saved.

This is not a hard subject at all... one has to get help from the devil to misunderstand this!

The Lord keeps us walking in him

The Lord is forcing you to walk with Him???

Suppose a young Christian guy decides to watch some porn on the internet... that is sinful behavior, so is the Lord going to FORCE that person to not do this to keep them walking with Him?

The fact of the matter is, WE have a part to play in our own salvation because God created us in His Own Image, which mean we have free will.

The Lord is not FORCING anybody to not go off in to sin and turn away from Him! We need to decide are we going to turn from darkness and live for the Lord, or will we choose darkness over the Lord and live after the pleasure of the flesh in this life?

The Lord will let you go either way, so let's choose wisely and walk with Him!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

A Born Again doesn’t believe any of this..

Only those that don't know what God says in His Word...

 

[Ritajanice]

Exactly! Those that abide in Christ, baring fruit, and endure until the end of their lives are the ones actually saved.

This is not a hard subject at all... one has to get help from the devil to misunderstand this!




The Lord is forcing you to walk with Him???

Where did I say the Lord forces us to walk with him?

What is the flesh?

What did the Holy Spirit tell us we can’t do?

Suppose a young Christian guy decides to watch some porn on the internet... that is sinful behavior, so is the Lord going to FORCE that person to not do this to keep them walking with Him?

The fact of the matter is, WE have a part to play in our own salvation because God created us in His Own Image, which mean we have free will.

The Lord is not FORCING anybody to not go off in to sin and turn away from Him! We need to decide are we going to turn from darkness and live for the Lord, or will we choose darkness over the Lord and live after the pleasure of the flesh in this life?

The Lord will let you go either way, so let's choose wisely and walk with Him!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God makes us holy, we don't.

And if WE don't submit ourselves to God turning away from living in darkness after the flesh.... God doesn't make us holy!

WE are called to submit to Him... God does not FORCE anybody to walk with Him if they don't want to.

 

[Ritajanice]

Only those that don't know what God says

Only those that don't know what God says in His Word...

What does his word mean?

Where do we receive his word?

How can a Born Again not know the “ Living “ word of God?

What does his living word mean?

 

[Ritajanice]

And if WE don't submit ourselves to God turning away from living in darkness after the flesh.... God doesn't make us holy!

WE are called to submit to Him... God does not FORCE anybody to walk with Him if they don't want to.

How can a Born again be living in darkness, when they have been birthed in the spirit?

What is the flesh and how do we deal with the flesh, once we have been birthed in the Spirit?

 

[amigo de christo]

Ok, thanks.

Again..ok and thanks.

the beauty of the LORD is a beauty that can nothing compare too .
The pureness , holiness , beautfiful Truth of the LORD can nothing compare too .
Remember how i told you i was the worst of many and that folks could still think i was a nice good man .
The reason i bring this up is , THE MOMENT GOD APPEARED on that wonderful day many years ago . Many moons ago .
The moment HE appeared within my conscious , MY DIRECTION CHANGED .
WE ARE CONVERTED UNTO GOD the MOMENT WE ARE BORN AGAIN .
We might not know or have all the knoweldge , we might not understand as we ought to understand all things ,
BUT i am telling ya the HEART IS CHANGED .
The sin , the direction , i so loved even that very morning , CHANGED .
Its honestly like a whole new heart , a whole new direction TOWARD GOD , TOWARD CHRIST
Desiring and hungering FOR GOD began . What was once so tasty and tasteful , NOW HAD NO TASTE .
The only taste , was the TASTE GOD had put into my heart . AND THAT DIRECTION was AWAY FROM SIN AND RIGHT TO HIM .
THIS BE THE WORK and WORKING OF GOD . HE DID THAT . so yeah i wont be taking any credit .
HE did that . A flavor for TRUTH and no taste for the lies . What was not of the truth had no taste for my new taste buds .
THE BIBLE now THAT Was a flavor of wonderous honey and as i read it , THE TASTE only increased .
Its like the more TRUTH i read , THE MORE I WANTED and EMBRACE that TRUTH .
Again that be the work of GOD .
The heart direction CHANGES . Though we have not yet the knowledge , I AM telling us THE HEART DIRECTION would change .
IF IT CAME OF GOD .................that is .
And that brings up another reminder . Since day one of that beautiful GOD GIVEN CONVERSION to my soul .
The justification of sin , WASNT IN MY VOCABOLARY . ITS like TRULY BEING BORN , TRULY BEING GIVEN
an ENTIRE NEW MIND and NEW HEART . And let me tell ya , that new mind and new heart
HATES the flesh sister . Since we are on that subject , THE FLESH WILL ALWAYS be contrary . AND that be a fact .
IT will pump lusts into our minds .
Now since we are on that subject allow me to explain something else .
DID YOU know that BEFORE the CONVERSION OF GOD
THE FLESH too pumped many lusts into my mind . AND THIS MAN EMBRACE THEM .
AFTER THE CONVERSION the Flesh , the sin that sins , STILL pumps lusts into my mind .
ONLY IT JUST AINT THE SAME . TO me its now like , what i once loved has truly become what i now hate most .
And what i once hated , I now EMBRACE AS THOUGH ITS THE BEST TASTING HONEY IN THE WORLD .
NOW LETS THANK GOD SHALL WE . CAUSE I DIDNT DO THIS TO ME , PRAISE GOD HE DID .
Now lets get into bibles and do beware of men . For there be many decievers .

 

[amigo de christo]

Praise God...Amen!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You should repent from doing that and instead.... accept what God says in His Word!

So should you.. All of it. Not just what you think supports you

 

[ScottA]

Actually I'm speaking against the false teachers Paul warned about that would come in after he departed, grievous wolves not sparing the flock.

OSAS is mocking God because saying we do not reap what we sow is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

No, that is not what Paul warned about. On the contrary, he elaborated the reality of the saved and "we who are alive and remain" (in the flesh in service of God) as a continued struggle with the flesh until the end.

No one is saying we do not reap what we sow. Again, on the contrary, we reap what God has sown in us even against the flesh and in spite of the flesh. Which you seem to deny God is even doing, as if His strength is not made perfect in weakness, but rather in purity. That is not what is written, and you have obviously returned to the beggarly elements of attempting to find salvation in fulfilling the law, of which there is plenty written of also.

 

[amigo de christo]

No, that is not what Paul warned about. On the contrary, he elaborated the reality of the saved and "we who are alive and remain" (in the flesh in service of God) as a continued struggle with the flesh until the end.

No one is saying we do not reap what we sow. Again, on the contrary, we reap what God has sown in us even against the flesh and in spite of the flesh. Which you seem to deny God is even doing, as if His strength is not made perfect in weakness, but rather in purity. That is not what is written, and you have obviously returned to the beggarly elements of attempting to find salvation in fulfilling the law, of which there is plenty written of also.

Just a friendly reminder . let us examine what paul was writing about .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

No, that is not what Paul warned about.

You should read more of what the Lord says thru the Apostle Paul...

1 Corinthians 9:27
I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway (G0096 in Strong's) = unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate.

This is the same greek word used in Romans 1:28 when the Lord turned those over to a reprobate mind who refused retain God in their knowledge and walk with Him.

This means, Paul believed that if he did not control himself and went back to walking after the flesh HE would be unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate!

Obviously the Apostle Paul did not believe in "once saved, always saved" aka "eternal security"

 

[amigo de christo]

You should read more of what the Lord says thru the Apostle Paul...

1 Corinthians 9:27
I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway (G0096 in Strong's) = unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate.

This is the same greek word used in Romans 1:28 when the Lord turned those over to a reprobate mind who refused retain God in their knowledge and walk with Him.

This means, Paul believed that if he did not control himself and went back to walking after the flesh HE would be unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate!

Obviously the Apostle Paul did not believe in "once saved, always saved" aka "eternal security"

Paul , his faith was IN HE who DID and DOES save .
So i have a real simple question .
IF we claim to BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST WHO DOES save
THEN WHY DO we omit SOME OF HIS TEACHINGS in place of mens teachings .
I mean if we say we TRUST IN JESUS then would we not have trusted IN WHAT HE SAID .
You cant trust in one who you dont really believe what it is they are saying .
AND JESUS sure did warn about HOW one must continue in HIM
and that HE who does so unto the end shall be saved . NOW JESUS SAID THAT .
And I BELIEVE IT . I mean IF JESUS said IT , BELEIVE IT .
BELIEVE IT ALL . BELIEVE IT as THOUGH GOD HIMSELF SAID IT . OH WAIT , HE DID .

 

[amigo de christo]

You should read more of what the Lord says thru the Apostle Paul...

1 Corinthians 9:27
I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway (G0096 in Strong's) = unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate.

This is the same greek word used in Romans 1:28 when the Lord turned those over to a reprobate mind who refused retain God in their knowledge and walk with Him.

This means, Paul believed that if he did not control himself and went back to walking after the flesh HE would be unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate!

Obviously the Apostle Paul did not believe in "once saved, always saved" aka "eternal security"

Did paul really BELIEVE IN JESUS . DIDHE REALLY BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAID.
YOU BET HE DID . as didall the other apostels .
IF a man continues not in me he is cast forth , that branch is withered and burned .
IF , IF YE CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS , OTHERWISE YE TOO SHALL BE CUT OFF . YAH , PAUL KNEW . HE KNEW AND HE PREACHED IT .
HE who endures to the end the same shall be saved .
FOR WE are made partakers of CHRIST , IF , IF we hold fast our confidence firm .....................TO THE END .
We should also read us some hebrews and some peter and etc . YOU GONNA FIND
they KNEW JESUS , THEY BELEIVED JESUS .
Sadly many no longer do .
OR how about another reminder .
JESUS said , IF a man cometh to me and hears my sayings and yet does them not
HE has no foundation ,
James , But let us be not hearers ONLY , DECIEVING OURSELVES .
or paul
IF one provides not , Adoing action , f or his own and specially for those of his own household
HE has DENIED THE FAITH . THE FAITH . THE FAITH and is worse than an infidel .
MANY other like things i could bring . NOW ITS TIME for those who cliam to beleive ON JESUS
to start actually BELIEVING JESUS .