Orthodoxy vs "The Way".

[amigo de christo]

Amen. Even the righteous Jews under the Law still needed the Messiah and His gospel to inherit eternal life.........it was even for them FIRST!

The key . the key of knowing whom we follow , whether another jesus , our trapped minds , men and etc OR IS IT JESUS THE CHRIST .
Who did adam and eve believe .
Whose Words did they believe . take note the sepernt who came later
never tried to say THERE IS NO GOD . Nope . HE did not tell them that
He simply got eve to beleive HIS LIE over GODS WORD .
SHEEP HEED JESUS . HIS voice . HIS WORDS , not mens who twist it , not feelings and emotions
lambs HEED THE VOICE of TRUTH . FOR GOD has opened their eyes and their ears and has shed the LOVE of GOD upon their hearts .
many love to say love a lot .
so lets examine something . For there is the love that cometh of the world and sinners do love even sinners
THEN there is the LOVE that cometh OF GOD shed upon the heart of the sheep whose faith be IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
The Charity of GOD , the love of GOD rejoices in something
that the love that cometh of the world WILL NOT .
ITS CALLEDTRUTH . And who is TRUTH . GOD , the SON , the SPIRIT , HIS WORDS ARE TRUTH .
The SPIRIT of GOD works that which is PLEASING TO GOD within the sheep .
and beleive me that which is pleasing to GOD is often NOT PLEASING TO MANKIND .
For GOD desires OBEDIANCE , and the flesh , man , the world , desires to sin .

 

[Lizbeth]

Sadly some of them believes, but felt they still needed to add works. Paul called them fools. because they did nto have faith

Others believes, but thought they could continue to live as they always did. James called their faith dead.

so there are many who claim they believe, yet their faith is still in themselves. Pride runs deep

Kind of a two-sided coin with these things though. Abraham had faith but also needed to pass the test and fiery trial/ordeal which tested his faith. Our faith is likewise tested and tried as we go along to see whether we have faith to obey God, and also in a manner of speaking, offer back to Him what He has given to us. "The proving of your faith."

 

[amigo de christo]

Every WORD of GOD is TRUTH and BE TRUE .
let GOD be true but every man a liar . test any and all against the pure truth of HIS HOLY words .
So may all love and enjoy reading that bible .

 

[amigo de christo]

Kind of a two-sided coin with these things though. Abraham had faith but also needed to pass the test and fiery trial/ordeal which tested his faith. Our faith is likewise tested and tried as we go along to see whether we have faith to obey God, and also in a manner of speaking, offer back to Him what He has given to us. "The proving of your faith."

What do works do to faith . it perfects . God knows that all trials will work to the good of he or she who hears and obeys HIM .
This too is the working of GOD . He knows what is best for the sheep .
And who produces the desire to please GOD within our heart to do good works through faith in Christ , THE SPIRIT DO .
By grace i have come to the total fully persauded mind that the one who boasts , BETTER BOAST IN GOD and not in self .
Lets all give GOD THE GLORY . now hit them trenches sister . THE LORD is with the sheep and HE does guide and lead us
through our pilgramige , and not a one knows when that journey ends . For no man knows the day their soul will be called
nor the DAY of the LORD either . Lets be diligent in the things of the LORD
let the reminders of pure doctrine stir us up , let us stir one another up , FOR IT IS GOD who works through the sheep
to exhort , to stir up , to edify . but beware for many decievers do abound in these final days upon earth . and decieve
they love to do and is all they know to do . I pray they repent for their own sakes and fast . But till they do they shall
be exposed for the sake and safety of the church .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Kind of a two-sided coin with these things though. Abraham had faith but also needed to pass the test and fiery trial/ordeal which tested his faith. Our faith is likewise tested and tried as we go along to see whether we have faith to obey God, and also in a manner of speaking, offer back to Him what He has given to us. "The proving of your faith."

It depends.

God considered Abraham righteous before he did one work, Because God knew his heart. he knew his faith was real.

After this Abraham did many things (laughed at God. Committed adultry with Hagar because of his lack of taith at the time that God would keep his promise of a son, He did many works, and commited many sins (like us all) and in the end. when God called him to. He offered his son, Knowing God was able to raise him from the dead.

He did nto do this because he had to to be saved.

He did it for himself. For us (he made it on the faith hall of fame)

God knew how much faith abraham would have.. thats why he was chosen. inspite of all his flaws

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What do works do to faith . it perfects . God knows that all trials will work to the good of he or she who hears and obeys HIM .
This too is the working of GOD . He knows what is best for the sheep .
And who produces the desire to please GOD within our heart to do good works through faith in Christ , THE SPIRIT DO .
By grace i have come to the total fully persauded mind that the one who boasts , BETTER BOAST IN GOD and not in self .
Lets all give GOD THE GLORY . now hit them trenches sister . THE LORD is with the sheep and HE does guide and lead us
through our pilgramige , and not a one knows when that journey ends . For no man knows the day their soul will be called
nor the DAY of the LORD either . Lets be diligent in the things of the LORD
let the reminders of pure doctrine stir us up , let us stir one another up , FOR IT IS GOD who works through the sheep
to exhort , to stir up , to edify . but beware for many decievers do abound in these final days upon earth . and decieve
they love to do and is all they know to do . I pray they repent for their own sakes and fast . But till they do they shall
be exposed for the sake and safety of the church .

Yes, But they do not save us.

Again, Paul calls those who add works to Grace for salvation fools..

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, But they do not save us.

Again, Paul calls those who add works to Grace for salvation fools..

Of course my friend . He who looks to the law , to his own works to estalish his own righteousness ,
Well how did that work out for the jews as they were cast out of the tree .
THERE BE ONLY ONE WHO SAVES . IT BE GOD . and believe me when i say
GOD is the WORD and the word became flesh .
IT BE JESUS THE CHRIST OF GOD that folks better know and trust and realize
that ITS HE ALONE WHO SAVED US and not we ourselves .
Besides , I THINK its HIGH TIME , I KNOW ITS HIGH TIME
for all to realize something . WHO DO YOU THINK even WORKS IN US that which is PLEASING to GOD
In WHO IS IT that we have been created HIS WORKMAN SHIP . ITS JESUS friend .
Let he or she who boasts , never once boast in the me myself or i of that mirror
BOAST AND GLORY IN GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

He who justifies himself by his own works , by the law , has fallen from Grace .
HE whose believes in CHRIST JESUS , whose faith be IN CHRIST JESUS , HE is justfied
.The just shall walk by FAITH . and that faith better not be in ourselves , BETTER BE IN GOD AND IN HIS CHRIST .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course my friend . He who looks to the law , to his own works to estalish his own righteousness ,
Well how did that work out for the jews as they were cast out of the tree .
THERE BE ONLY ONE WHO SAVES . IT BE GOD . and believe me when i say
GOD is the WORD and the word became flesh .
IT BE JESUS THE CHRIST OF GOD that folks better know and trust and realize
that ITS HE ALONE WHO SAVED US and not we ourselves .
Besides , I THINK its HIGH TIME , I KNOW ITS HIGH TIME
for all to realize something . WHO DO YOU THINK even WORKS IN US that which is PLEASING to GOD
In WHO IS IT that we have been created HIS WORKMAN SHIP . ITS JESUS friend .
Let he or she who boasts , never once boast in the me myself or i of that mirror
BOAST AND GLORY IN GOD .

I see it this way in one excellent verse

For by one offering (the cross) he has perfected forever (saved by Grace) those who are being sanctified (christian growth and works)

 

[amigo de christo]

I see it this way in one excellent verse

For by one offering (the cross) he has perfected forever (saved by Grace) those who are being sanctified (christian growth and works)

That is what HE DOES and what HE DID . yet many sure seem to walk contrary to HIM . just as i once did . course
back then I NEVER KNEW HIM EITHER . i was not yet saved i was but decieved .

 

[Lizbeth]

It depends.

God considered Abraham righteous before he did one work, Because God knew his heart. he knew his faith was real.

After this Abraham did many things (laughed at God. Committed adultry with Hagar because of his lack of taith at the time that God would keep his promise of a son, He did many works, and commited many sins (like us all) and in the end. when God called him to. He offered his son, Knowing God was able to raise him from the dead.

He did nto do this because he had to to be saved.

He did it for himself. For us (he made it on the faith hall of fame)

God knew how much faith abraham would have.. thats why he was chosen. inspite of all his flaws

Yes, he was 'saved' first and his obedience proceeded from his faith. And I believe Abraham's offering up of his Isaac was very symbolic for us.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That is what HE DOES and what HE DID . yet many sure seem to walk contrary to HIM . just as i once did . course
back then I NEVER KNEW HIM EITHER . i was not yet saved i was but decieved .

It goes to show.

whoever lives in sin has never seen or known God. whoever is born of God can not live in sin.

Abraham was not perfect even after he was saved.. But he did not live like he did before.. He did not live in sin. Same goes with David.. a man after Gods own heart

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, he was 'saved' first and his obedience proceeded from his faith. And I believe Abraham's offering up of his Isaac was very symbolic for us.

It shows us where out faith should be.

God made promises to us, do we trust him. Many of our sins come from a lack of faith in that area of our life.

Even paul. and his momentary light affliction. These men set the bar we should all strive to achieve

 

[Marvelloustime]

That is what HE DOES and what HE DID . yet many sure seem to walk contrary to HIM . just as i once did . course
back then I NEVER KNEW HIM EITHER . i was not yet saved i was but decieved .

 

[Marvelloustime]

He who justifies himself by his own works , by the law , has fallen from Grace .
HE whose believes in CHRIST JESUS , whose faith be IN CHRIST JESUS , HE is justfied
.The just shall walk by FAITH . and that faith better not be in ourselves , BETTER BE IN GOD AND IN HIS CHRIST .

 

[Lizbeth]

Yes, But they do not save us.

Again, Paul calls those who add works to Grace for salvation fools..

The difference is that we are not going about trying to establish our own righteousness but learning to submit to the righteousness of Christ in us, and for His glory, not ours. And also because of the fear of the Lord.....as He is our Father and we are His children.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, he was 'saved' first and his obedience proceeded from his faith. And I believe Abraham's offering up of his Isaac was very symbolic for us.

Time for a real simple truth .
If a drowning man refuses aide to save him , he wont be saved now will he .
When i say its time for a real simple truth , i mean a child like truth .
Which means , I KNOW WHO SAVES , I KNOW WHO TO POINT TOO and I KNOW if one rejects HIM they gonna be damned , NOT Saved .
The reason i bring this up , IS because i truly believe its time for the church to abandon
all these tulips , all these doctrines of men , all this pre destination
and rather come back to the basic knowledge .
SO here is basic knoweldge . WHO DID the apostels and later paul preach . Was it concepts of men , OR WERE IT JESUS CHRIST
THEY did not go around trying to intellecutalize every detail .
Its real simple really .
GOD DETERMINED long before we were exactly HOW He was gonna save the world and HOW TO BE SAVED .
HOW TO Be saved . OH yeah , i got it , BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST . now how simple is that .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, he was 'saved' first and his obedience proceeded from his faith. And I believe Abraham's offering up of his Isaac was very symbolic for us.

Here is a simple question .
IS a man saved BEFORE or AFTER HE BELIEVES ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
exactly .
HOW THEN can we be saved . HOW . OH i got it , BELEIVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Here is a simple question .
IS a man saved BEFORE or AFTER HE BELIEVES ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
exactly .
HOW THEN can we be saved . HOW . OH i got it , BELEIVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[Lizbeth]

Here is a simple question .
IS a man saved BEFORE or AFTER HE BELIEVES ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
exactly .
HOW THEN can we be saved . HOW . OH i got it , BELEIVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .

So true, brother. Making me smile, lol.