Organised Religion

[Pearl]

just setting you free by the truth

 

[Ezra]

Pastors plural……

in a small Church you only need one pastor in a bigger Church/mega they have a associate pastor .but only one main pastor . there is nothing wrong with a leadership team provided they are led of the spirit and work close with the pastor. the roll of the deacon is to much the Church is took care of while the pastor study's and visits the sick. . Jesus is the great shepherd the pastor is the under Shephard / who is a servant to the Church

 

[Ezra]

What about it?

hmm it was the first Church building and the name Christians was given to them

 

[Eternally Grateful]

it all depends on whose truth. all you posted is what you think a church should be like. i gave you scriptures of what the church is and how it functions a it take a pastor and a congregation to grow together . it does not matter if he comes from with in our outside. a pastor is only as good as a congregation will let him be. and a congregation is only as good as the pastor wants them to be. its a 50/50 relationship

Nope

You posted what you think the church is.

Pastors are more than just teachers. they are disciplers. And they should not be lone worlvs. you can not find anywhere in scripture where one pastor is in charge of a local church

 

[Eternally Grateful]

in a small Church you only need one pastor in a bigger Church/mega they have a associate pastor .but only one main pastor . there is nothing wrong with a leadership team provided they are led of the spirit and work close with the pastor. the roll of the deacon is to much the Church is took care of while the pastor study's and visits the sick. . Jesus is the great shepherd the pastor is the under Shephard / who is a servant to the Church

like I said. we have a small group of 30 people. and we have 4 leaders who pastor our group..

God never said 1 oerson was supposed to do anything. Thats why so many churches have failed and why many more will fail.

 

[Ezra]

Nope

You posted what you think the church is.

Pastors are more than just teachers. they are disciplers. And they should not be lone worlvs. you can not find anywhere in scripture where one pastor is in charge of a local church

ok so you need a bunch of pastors all them in charge of the pulpit. let me know how that works out .i see confusion

 

[marks]

Yes that's one of the problems with churches these days. The LDS church elects it's leaders from the higher ups and so does the Catholic church. God never did that. He calls a prophet himself or leaders. But men don't always have that option so they make the best decisions they can I suppose.

That's how I see the instructions towards choosing elders and deacons and overseers. That when men choose, they need to go by those instructions. God knows our hearts, and may raise up leaders who may not seem to us to qualify.

Much love!

 

[Ezra]

like I said. we have a small group of 30 people. and we have 4 leaders who pastor our group..

why does it take 4 ? is not one man able to preach to 30 people ? once again i see confusion so all 4 of these people are called of God ordained to preach? BTW being ordained is very bible and DOES NOT require a college degree

 

[marks]

You should be aware that this phrase has been around for a long time and it originated with the cults, who reject fundamental Bible doctrine. So it is more or less a code phrase for rejecting anything that does not fit into their false beliefs.

There is always a need to ensure that there is some degree of organization since that was true even in the New Testament churches. But that should not be the primary goal.

Yes, "organized religion" is sometimes used as a pejorative.

Much love!

 

[Ezra]

God knows our hearts, and may raise up leaders who may not seem to us to qualify.

GOD does the qualifying and i agree to your post . there has to be a leader

 

[Eternally Grateful]

lol..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

ok so you need a bunch of pastors all them in charge of the pulpit. let me know how that works out .i see confusion

I think you hit the nail on the head. Pulpit? Where was the pulpit in the churches in acts?

We have different pastors teach at our church. One will do a book, then another will do a book. there is no confusion. only unity.

But I guess that is unheard of for you? Why do you want to control things yourself and have no one to tell you what to do or convict you if your wrong on something?

 

[marks]

This is another issue. Jesus sent them out in two’s. Not ones/ Paul went out with people. Not himself

God never intended one person be in charge.. of a church. Or the church

That's what I see also, a plurality of elders, which brings safety. All are to be able to teach, so there isn't just one person doing all the teaching and preaching. So if something should happen to one of them, the church still goes on just the same.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

why does it take 4 ? is not one man able to preach to 30 people ? once again i see confusion so all 4 of these people are called of God ordained to preach? BTW being ordained is very bible and DOES NOT require a college degree

lol

There is more to being a pastor than preaching.there is 1 on 1 discipling. there is small groups. there is all kinds of things..

Like I said, each pastor has a small group of people they are responsible for.. And all four take turns teaching when we meet. We have been doing this for many years. it works great..

sorry if it breaks tradition. but this is the only church I have ever been to where I see actual growth.. because people are not only being fed, they are being nurtured.

 

[marks]

a leader is dangerous in the fact they can become tempted and has no checks and balances. I have been to many churches over this country where the pastors would make sure only yes men were nominated for deacons..

This is what I've seen also. Somehow it has to be guarded against.

Much love!

 

[Keturah]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Pulpit? Where was the pulpit in the churches in acts?

We have different pastors teach at our church. One will do a book, then another will do a book. there is no confusion. only unity.

But I guess that is unheard of for you? Why do you want to control things yourself and have no one to tell you what to do or convict you if your wrong on something?

I agree... everybody think a preacher or pastor must have a pulpit.

The first believers worshipped in houses, fields, deserts wherever they could gather.

Persecution was rampant when Rome realized it couldn't control the belief in the One True God by creating the Roman Catholic Church.....lol.

The church & pure religion are defined in the word of God; not by man.

Where2 or 3 are gathered" I will be in the midst of them".....

 

[marks]

in order to truely disciple someone, you need to have one on one time with them, or at the most, small groups where you are discipline each other, where you feel free to confess yoru sins to one another. Help each other in a time of need. Grow personally with that person.

You can’t do that when you are trying to disciple 50 people by yourself. I used to believe that. I know longer do since I have witnessed first had what true discipleship looks like..

I feel the same . . . I don't want to be in a church so large I'm not able to personally get to know my pastor, and more importantly, that he can get to know me. We need personal involvement with each other.

Much love!

 

[marks]

did they try to get to know him or he try to get to know the flock?
they are trained with that degree how to pastor .the Holy spirit leads us.. nothing wrong witha degree provided they use it being led of the spirit

Successfully raising a Christian family is far more important than any institutional degree. IMO.

Much love!

 

[marks]

lol sorry not catholic i think your a member of the Church of itchy ears . please tell us what we want to hear

There was no call for that . . . IMO.

Much love!

 

[marks]

GOD does the qualifying and i agree to your post . there has to be a leader

Leaders. I don't agree with the idea of a "senior pastor", who functions as a CEO. I think a congregation should be led by a group of elders where each are considered equal.

Much love!