Grailhunter
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Strain at a knat and swollow a camel.
No one is telling you how to celebrate the holidays.
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Strain at a knat and swollow a camel.
No one is telling you how to celebrate the holidays.
amigo de christo
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typical response my friend . what and how you just responded is a very very typical response . And it aint a good one either .
But jus realize i do love you my friend . Time to take the pagan out of christendom .
TIME to make christendome great again , LOL , sorry i robbed trump of his saying about america .
But man . this generation is in dire trouble . What are your feelings about interfaith .
Lets talk about that . i am curious as to how you view this . what do you know about it
and how do you see it .
Ronald David Bruno
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Just did a search on your posts concerning the Sabbath - 10 pages of posts. Oh, the SDA's, never ending Sabbath obsessions ... even to the point of insisting Jesus died on the Sabbath! How is that 3 days then?
The funny thing, by God's standards, you couldn't keep the Sabbath holy. 256 Sabbath laws? Lol. No, by your own pretentious standard, you think you do. No one can keep the Law perfectly, even one of them. Remember, those who live by the Law will be judged by it.
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Grailhunter
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My response to you was accurate and truthful. You have your own religious beliefs and that is fine.
Love ya to my friend.
Time to take the paganism out of christendom? I do not think you can....because we are Gentile-Christians. Wedding Ceremonies are just one of the Pagan customs that Gentiles brought into Christianity. Early Christians....The end of the biblical era to the 4th century Ecumenical Councils, during this period the Christians had developed Christian holidays....holy days and customs.
The Christian Sunday called the Lord's Day.
Celebrating Christ's resurrection.
The Sunrise vigils.
These were all being observed before the Ecumenical Councils. The Ecumenical Councils wanted everyone observing them on the same day.
Celebrating the birth of Christ….
Most of the the Christmas customs develop after the 16th century....Martin Luther had Christmas.
Emperor Constantine doubled up on the Christian and Pagan holidays to reduce the number of times the Empire was shut down.
No one force anyone to celebrate these holidays…..But to condemn how others observe these holidays is wrong. They are not Pagan anymore than we are Pagan.
What are your feelings about interfaith? Do you mean Christian vs Jewish vs Hinduism?
amigo de christo
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interfaith is of anti christ . I seen what its religious leaders have been saying . its all a sham .
Grailhunter
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He did not.
They came in with the Gentiles.
I am fine with you celebrating them that way.
There is not any one way. As long as there is good food involved.
amigo de christo
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The world does as it does
but we as christains must not bring in the pagan .
And ignorance must be corrected . There is no reason for the churches to bring pagan into anything .
Not only should it not be done , but corrected if we see other brethren praticing such a thing .
If the church leaders of many churches were to stand and cease this
THEIR followers would have heeded it . The problem is not society , Its the church leaders who keep allowing
more and more leaven . And its a problem for those who sit under and heed such men too .
Its real easy to just say NO . we shall not bring the pagan into anything we shall keep it HOLY unto the LORD .
Its just as easy Not to do it . I used to do all that .
Had no problems with any of it .
Then one day the grace of GOD came upon me and things have never been the same since .
We can stop doing things we ought not to do . And its not a sin to remind folks we need to stop doing such things either .
Grailhunter
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Your problem is elementary.
Wrong thinking.
The world does as it does….This is true
but we as Christians must not bring in the pagan. This is not accurate. You know what Gentile means? Gentile-Christians, that is us. Pagan-Christians….Pagans that converted to Christianity. This is the branch of Christianity that survived and that took the helm of the Church.
These Pagan converts came from all over the middle east and Africa. They stopped worshipping Pagan gods and started worshipping Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit. Put there was no reason or suggestion made that they stop celebrating their customs or seasonal holidays. Even Wedding Ceremonies was a Pagan custom. No requirement in the scriptures for a Wedding Ceremony to be married.
The Ecumenical Councils were made up of Gentile-Christians only. They decided on the Christian Holidays. But still nothing in history changes like flipping a switch. At the time of the Ecumenical Councils the Roman Empire was made up of Pagans and Christians so Emperor Constantine combined the dates of the Christian holidays and Pagan holidays so that the empire would not be shutdown so often
From this point on Gentile-Christianity moved forward through history and some may call themselves Catholic and some may call themselves Protestants….but still our roots go back to the Pagans that converted to Christianity.
Now….Celebrating seasonal holidays was common, the Jews and the Gentile-Christians celebrated seasonal holidays. Passover is a seasonal holiday that followed the phases of the Moon and harvest. Christianity followed the seasons and astronomical phases of the Sun. Evergreen decorations and the Yule Log.
From there the Christian holidays evolved and most of them are relatively modern. Martin Luther celebrated Christmas and Easter. Christmas trees and Santa Clause and gifts giving started around the 16th and 19th centuries respectively. These customs and holidays were started by Christians. Even Thanksgiving is an American Christian holiday, Pilgrims celebrating giving thanks to God.
At times some Christians tried to get people to believe they were more holy or more right by doing certain things.....A good part of modern Christian sins came from people making up sins to prove they are more holy, and this objection of Christian holidays is just another attempt to convince people that they are more holy.
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amigo de christo
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he or she who makes excuses for the allowance of that which is pagan , is he or she
who will allow only more leaven in time as they leaders just keep making excuses . I suggest we all get a good nice dose
of a LOT of bible reading . so pure and so lovely are those words .
amigo de christo
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Ye shall not mix the holy with the unholy pratices . Far too many have done so
and worse and worse it does get . But as usual the many who do so often have many an excuse for why they do asthey do
and why they wont correct . By now its high time the church realize , THAT mindset dont work and as error begets error
as leaven brings more leaven , that house IS GOING DOWN .
amigo de christo
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And one never knows when he or she shall take the final nap
known as the dirt nap . For a sheep that nap is lovely cause its HOME with the KING , tis only the body that lies rotting and
stinking in the soil .
amigo de christo
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Many throughout the ages
have had a nice meal . decided perhaps its time to take a nap .
Only to not wake up again . many a chest has been clutched
and the heart beats no more .
Grailhunter
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Again wrong thinking.
But I am not going to say you do not read the Bible.....so you know that the Apostle Paul brought the Pagans into Christianity. And there is nothing in the Bible about Paul telling them to stop their celebrations and certainly not their Wedding Ceremonies which even today Christian Wedding Ceremonies have Pagan customs in them.
Then we move on to the early Christian writers after the biblical era that were Gentile-Christians and made up the Churches of Christianity and they did not object to their celebrations. And then the Ecumenical Councils that were Gentile-Christians standardized some of them.
And then through Middle Ages and beyond and the Protestant reform where Martin Luther celebrated Easter and Christmas. And then in the 16th century Protestant leaders made a church Wedding Ceremony a requirement to be married. All this came into modern Christianity.
Marvelloustime
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Through their logos, many automakers have created a dazzling world of wonder. In logo land, you’ll discover roman gods, prancing horses, and mystical beasts—as well as religious themes such as the Holy Trinity and the Christian Crusades. It’s a universe of stars and planets, ships and rockets, diamonds and domination. One emblem, which is simply a crooked letter, symbolizes a trustworthy handshake. Car Company Logos.
Disappointingly, such companies as Volkswagen (whose symbol is VW) and Ford (Ford) have refused to join in the fun. But many of the other logos have fascinating meanings. Let’s explore:...
The Alfa Romeo badge pays tribute to its home city, Milan, Italy. It features the city’s coat of arms, which symbolizes Milan’s two ruling families during medieval times. On the left is a red cross, a Christian symbol of heraldry that represents the right of a person to bear arms. On the right, a serpent devours a human being, interpreted by some as a Muslim—that is, the enemy of the Christians during the Crusades.
Ferrari automobiles have plenty of horsepower, making the “Prancing Horse” emblem appropriate. The logo also has a cool story behind it. On June 17, 1923, company founder Enzo Ferrari met Italian Countess Paolina Baracca. Her son, ace fighter pilot Francesco Baracca, had won 34 duels for Italy during World War I before being shot down. Barraca’s plane had featured the Prancing Horse, and his mother suggested to Ferrari that he adopt the symbol, for it would bring good luck.
In 1989, the firm Lippincott & Margulies created both the name and logo for Nissan’s upcoming luxury line. The company explains: “The name ‘Infiniti’ was chosen to communicate the endless potential for satisfaction among owners of a car with superb comfort, reliability, and luxury.” The logo is a stylized version of the symbol for infinity, which looks like a sideways 8.
Though it’s visually striking, the content of the Lamborghini emblem doesn’t seem right. Why did they choose a bull, which would seem more appropriate for trucks than high-performance sports cars? The answer is that company founder Ferruccio Lamborghini was born on April 28. The bull was chosen to represent his Zodiac sign, Taurus.
Maserati
If you’re ever in Bologna, Italy, check out the Fountain of Neptune.
The Pontiac name and emblem both have Native American roots.
Since 1984, the creature on the Saab logo has left observers scratching their heads. Is it a deranged rooster who had too much to drink at a costume party? Not quite, but it’s just as weird. It is actually the crowned head of a mythical beast called a Gripen (aka Griffin and Gryphon), which has the body of a lion and the head and wings of an eagle.
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See cars have pagan roots
Disappointingly, such companies as Volkswagen (whose symbol is VW) and Ford (Ford) have refused to join in the fun. But many of the other logos have fascinating meanings. Let’s explore:...
The Alfa Romeo badge pays tribute to its home city, Milan, Italy. It features the city’s coat of arms, which symbolizes Milan’s two ruling families during medieval times. On the left is a red cross, a Christian symbol of heraldry that represents the right of a person to bear arms. On the right, a serpent devours a human being, interpreted by some as a Muslim—that is, the enemy of the Christians during the Crusades.
Ferrari automobiles have plenty of horsepower, making the “Prancing Horse” emblem appropriate. The logo also has a cool story behind it. On June 17, 1923, company founder Enzo Ferrari met Italian Countess Paolina Baracca. Her son, ace fighter pilot Francesco Baracca, had won 34 duels for Italy during World War I before being shot down. Barraca’s plane had featured the Prancing Horse, and his mother suggested to Ferrari that he adopt the symbol, for it would bring good luck.
In 1989, the firm Lippincott & Margulies created both the name and logo for Nissan’s upcoming luxury line. The company explains: “The name ‘Infiniti’ was chosen to communicate the endless potential for satisfaction among owners of a car with superb comfort, reliability, and luxury.” The logo is a stylized version of the symbol for infinity, which looks like a sideways 8.
Though it’s visually striking, the content of the Lamborghini emblem doesn’t seem right. Why did they choose a bull, which would seem more appropriate for trucks than high-performance sports cars? The answer is that company founder Ferruccio Lamborghini was born on April 28. The bull was chosen to represent his Zodiac sign, Taurus.
Maserati
If you’re ever in Bologna, Italy, check out the Fountain of Neptune.
The Pontiac name and emblem both have Native American roots.
Since 1984, the creature on the Saab logo has left observers scratching their heads. Is it a deranged rooster who had too much to drink at a costume party? Not quite, but it’s just as weird. It is actually the crowned head of a mythical beast called a Gripen (aka Griffin and Gryphon), which has the body of a lion and the head and wings of an eagle.
Car Company Logos: Gods, Diamonds, and Mystical Beasts
Text by Dave Aretha Through their logos, many automakers have created a dazzling world of wonder. In logo land, you’ll discover roman gods, prancing horses, and mystical beasts—as well as religious themes such as the Holy Trinity and the Christian Crusades. It’s a universe of stars and planets...
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See cars have pagan roots
The "pagan roots of car" you're likely referring to are the origins of the Pagani Automobili brand, founded by Horacio Pagani, who named a car after Wayra Tata, the Quechua (indigenous South American) wind god.
The Pagani Huayra, a mid-engine sports car, is named after Wayra Tata, the Quechua wind god.
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The Pagani Huayra, a mid-engine sports car, is named after Wayra Tata, the Quechua wind god.
Goth Can’t Wait to Explain Pagan Roots of Toyotathon
Local goth Andrea Smith is reportedly thrilled to begin telling anyone who will listen about the pagan roots of the yearly celebration of automobile sales known as Toyotathon.
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TOYOTA
Logo - The central phallus is entering the open vagina wrapped in a circle. SEX
SUBARU
The logo is Pleiades ASTROLOGY
VOLVO
The logo is the man or mars symbol and Vulva ^h^h^h volvo. SEX
MAZDA
Pays homage to the sun or good god of Zorarstianism. PAGAN
NISSAN
The astrological connection is the logo, the circle is the Sun going over the horizon with NISSAN or NISAN over it. The sun passover occurs in NISAN. LOGO
FORD
Quite a few are astrological, Orion, Meteor, Laser, Galaxy, Falcon=Partner of Horus, Taurus etc ASTROLOGY
en.wikipedia.org
Its easy to do a search and find a few good websites with more examples...
www.jehovahs-witness.com
Logo - The central phallus is entering the open vagina wrapped in a circle. SEX
SUBARU
The logo is Pleiades ASTROLOGY
VOLVO
The logo is the man or mars symbol and Vulva ^h^h^h volvo. SEX
MAZDA
Pays homage to the sun or good god of Zorarstianism. PAGAN
NISSAN
The astrological connection is the logo, the circle is the Sun going over the horizon with NISSAN or NISAN over it. The sun passover occurs in NISAN. LOGO
FORD
Quite a few are astrological, Orion, Meteor, Laser, Galaxy, Falcon=Partner of Horus, Taurus etc ASTROLOGY
List of Ford vehicles - Wikipedia
Its easy to do a search and find a few good websites with more examples...
Many Car marques are astrological/pagan/sex connection therefore JW must abandon them or walk
heres something i love to tell jw which nearly always stuns them.. nobody would buy a car called the satan, or if its logo was phallic, or was named after baal, but the facts are nearly all three of these are present in a vast majority of todays cars. as one can examine there are a lot of things...
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