Once Saved Always Saved

[Eternally Grateful]

Once again, I said "technically", eternity only applies to God.
Everlasating is not sternal becaused it has a starting point - God doesn't.

As for the rest - EVERY verse that speaks of our everlasting/eternal life has conditions. "IF" we trust Him, "IF" we obey Him, "IF" we walk in the Spirit, etc.
To deny this is to continue wo wallow in ignonrnce . . .

You can twist it how ever you want. The Bible says we who were dead and made alive are made alive forever

Jesus said whoever believes in him
Is given this life eternal

gif lives eternal to eternal (psalms 90). Just because we have a beginning does not mean we do not have eternal
Life.

Jesus said this is eternal life. That they know you. And the one you sent. Whoever believes is nit
Condemned whoever does not
Believe is condemned already


It’s nit baptism and the Eucharist and acts of Penance and all your works you trust in. It’s God and his promise based on his work. Your church wants to take
Glory from God And give it to themselves. God will
Not share that Glory with the proud

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I was Baptized in Christ.
He said that THIS is how a person is born again (John 3:5).

Baptized in water is not baptized in Christ. And John 3 has absolutely nothing to do with water baptism

 

[Taken]

Absolutely.
Jesus said, WATER and the Spirit (John 3:5).

Okay. So, when you were an infant, you were water baptized, and at the same time, of your water baptism, you received the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

2 Peter 2:20-21

"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them."

It will be

they had everything in their hands, and in the end, could not repent and come to faith,

now imagine for all eternity knowing you were that close had it in the tip of your fingertips and let it go.

if will be far worse

 

[justbyfaith]

The trinity is not in the Bible ...

It really is in the Bible.

True Trinity. (posts #1-#6)...

I think that you don't see it there because the following is true of you.

2Co 4:3, But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

WRONG.
First of all - show me where the BIBLE makes the statement YOU just did.

Secondly - the examples YOU gave were ained at ADULT converts - not infants.
Jesus NEVER gave an age constraint in John 3:5 . . .

It is not about the age of the person being baptized but it has to do with whether the person being baptized is capable of making a valid confession of Jesus before men.

The only salvation that is given in baptism is given because baptism in Jesus' name is a confession of Jesus before men (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8); an identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection.

For one thing, if the person has not died to self (repented), they are being buried alive in baptism and there is no resurrection that will take place. In order to be raised with Christ, one must needs have died with Christ.

This does not happen with little tiny infants; it is something that happens by faith: and the cognitive ability to have faith is not present in the minds of little infants.

 

[Wrangler]

It really is in the Bible.

The trinity is not in the Bible. If it were you it would be the most quoted verse.

 

[justbyfaith]

The trinity is not in the Bible. If it were you it would be the most quoted verse.

The verses that speak most plainly of the Trinity are the most disputed by those who deny the Trinity.

So, in showing you the doctrine, we will often take you in through the back door, using the biblical hermeneutic of 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv) to show you the doctrine by comparing scripture with scripture.

But the disputed verses say the doctrine quite plainly, if you would be willing to accept that they are inspired of the Lord.

Isaiah 9:6, Matthew 28:19, 1 John 5:7.

 

[Wrangler]

So, in showing you the doctrine, we will often take you in through the back door

Because the trinity is not there - in the front door or any other door.

'For us, there is one God, the Father'
1 Corinthians 8:6

 

[justbyfaith]

Because the trinity is not there - in the front door or any other door.

It is definitely there.

'For us, there is one God, the Father'
1 Corinthians 8:6

1Co 8:6, But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; <even> one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Notice that the same verse teaches us that there is one Lord...as does Ephesians 4:5.

Who is this one Lord?

Mat 11:25, At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Luk 10:21, In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Clearly, here, the one Lord is Jesus' Father.

Nevertheless, no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Holy Ghost.

1Co 12:3, Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

In light of the information that we have given, wherein we have shown that there is one Lord, even the Father, can you say, honestly in your doctrine, that Jesus is the Lord?

I can; for it is what is written in the Bible. Jesus is the Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6).

 

[Charlie24]

You were not born again at baptism unless your baptism was a confession of Jesus before men...you would have had to have been making a public profession of the fact that you had received Jesus as your Lord and Saviour...

And your baptism would have had to have been an identification with Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection; as you confessed Him as your Saviour and as your Lord.

It will be

they had everything in their hands, and in the end, could not repent and come to faith,

now imagine for all eternity knowing you were that close had it in the tip of your fingertips and let it go.

if will be far worse

1 Timothy 4:1

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

 

[Charlie24]

It will be

they had everything in their hands, and in the end, could not repent and come to faith,

now imagine for all eternity knowing you were that close had it in the tip of your fingertips and let it go.

if will be far worse

I Timothy 4:1

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Andrew Farley is a false teacher whom @Blood Bought 1953 has heaped to himself to tell him what his itching ears want to hear. I wouldn't recommend listening to him unless you want to be deceived.


JBF Plus Lucky Repentance is just Sore because Andrew Farley isn’t “ Fallen from Grace” as he is.....

JBF does not “ recommend” Dr. Farley......I could not “ Imagine” a better reason to start listening to his Teachings....( Tares.... Leaven Spreaders and Legalist will all be offended, so you had best just stay away...concentrate on keeping your “ Lucky Repentance” ledgers spotless....)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I Timothy 4:1

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

Yep, still does not prove your point. Many churches have departed the faith and allowed seducing spirits in

 

[Charlie24]

Yep, still does not prove your point. Many churches have departed the faith and allowed seducing spirits in

1Timothy 1:18-20

"This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

 

[theefaith]

1Timothy 1:18-20

"This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

luther and calvin shipwrecked millions of lost souls

 

[Eternally Grateful]

1Timothy 1:18-20

"This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

You have not shown me once where person lost eternal life and the seal of the spirit, the adoption as sons, the justification of life, the righteousness of Christ.

 

[Charlie24]

You have not shown me once where person lost eternal life and the seal of the spirit, the adoption as sons, the justification of life, the righteousness of Christ.

It's plain as daylight in Heb. 6 and 10! But not even Jesus Himself could prove it to you!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I agree. justbyfaith is an enthusiast but is unbelievably theologically lost. I will pray for him.

“ A zeal for God, but without knowledge”.....I pray for him to.....I am optimistic that God will someday open his heart to the TRUE Gospel—— the One without his Additions to it that has him, “ fallen from Grace”...... I think he is a Saved man that lives a “ Crippled and beggarly” Walk Of Faith.....he has no True Assurance Of His Salvation, which prohibits Him From experiencing the Joy that God wants him to have in his life , because he carries the weight on his shoulders of never being certain that he will “ repent Of all of his Sins before he dies”—- gotta hang on to the hope that Good Luck will prevail in his final seconds.....and ya never know how those “ final seconds” will play out!
He might bump his head, say a bad word , have a sudden heart attack and die without repenting of his final sin......next stop?.....Hell....
What a way to live. Christ spoke of “ The Abundate Life”, and trust me—- he ain’t livin’ it. I am.All because I Rest in the Gospel Of 2Cor15:1-4 and he doesn’t.....there’s a Price to pay when one ignores Hebrews, chapters three and four.....if you do not REST in the Gospel ( and “ Lucky Repenters” do not) God declares you guilty of “ Disobedience and Unbelief”..... you are left to “ wander in the Wilderness” like the ancient Unbelieving Jews did.....enjoy your lame walk, and pray to God that it’s nothing MUCH worse.....

 

[Wrangler]

It is definitely there.

1Co 8:6, But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; <even> one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Notice that the same verse teaches us that there is one Lord...as does Ephesians 4:5.

Who is this one Lord?

We've been over this MANY times. For us there is one God the Father. This is the only part that matters in our conversation - unless you are trying to confuse things. God is synonymous with LORD, not Lord. We have one LORD God and one Lord - like we have one President and one mayor.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Your lack of humility is what is shocking. Not once did our Lord insult his opponents as you have in this thread.

Hmmm.....I am not quite so sure.....” Snakes....Broods Of Vipers.....Swine.....Sons Of Satan”.... The constantly “ sweet and lovable Jesus” That Somebody concocted long ago does not exist in Scripture.....I never ever told anybody right to their face that they were “ Satan!” ...Seems a little harsh doesn't it ? .......nevertheless, Jesus said it to Peter.....his good friend and the only other man to ever “ walk on water” ..... just sayin’.....