Once Saved Always Saved

[justbyfaith]

Jesus is not God. One way to know that is the verses we went over where God (in his unitarian nature) selected and sent Jesus. Understanding language usage, this is not how one would talk of themselves.


My mirror is the image of me. My mirror is not me - or God.

Jesus is God (John 1:1-3, John 1:14; Hebrews 1:8-9; Exodus 3:14, John 8:58; John 8:59, John 10:31-33) and He makes believing it essential to salvation (John 8:24).

 

[Charlie24]

Who?

This sounds fictional / hypothetical to me. Who can you point to that was born again and became unborn again? Where in the the Bible to you see God's begotten child being "unbegotten"?

Much love!

Colossians 1:21-23

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

 

[Wrangler]

WRONG.
Jesus called His opponents a "Brood of vipers" (Matt. 12:34) and "Blind guides" (Matt. 23:24).

Only the Pharisees. He had a lot of compassion and patience with his other opponents. See healing of Roman soldier whose ear was cut by his follower.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Question..
Is your soul saved?
Did you make a confession of "Heartful" Belief IN God and Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God?

Were you Baptized by and of the Lords Spirit, Before or After Confessing with your heartful belief?

I was Baptized in Christ as an infant - that's when I was born again per Jesus in John 3:5 and entered the New Covenant.
I was raised in the faith by my parents, just as the circumcised Jewish babies were raised in the faith by their parents when they entered the Old Covenant.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is God

He is not God and desperately referring to figurative verses is not going to change that. One way we know Jesus is not God is that he prayed to God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Only the Pharisees. He had a lot of compassion and patience with his other opponents. See healing of Roman soldier whose ear was cut by his follower.

Ummmm, WHO were the ones denying the Truth Jesus was preaching?
Certainly NOT the poor TEMPLE (not Roman) soldier who had his ear cut off.

So, the lesson here is:
Act like a Pharisee - and you'll be treated as a Pharisee.
Act like a brother - and you'll be treated as a brother.

 

[theefaith]

Jesus is God (John 1:1-3, John 1:14; Hebrews 1:8-9; Exodus 3:14, John 8:58; John 8:59, John 10:31-33) and He makes believing it essential to salvation (John 8:24).

One nature yes
But three persons

Jn 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

 

[justbyfaith]

I was Baptized in Christ as an infant - that's when I was born again per Jesus in John 3:5 and entered the New Covenant.
I was raised in the faith by my parents, just as the circumcised Jewish babies were raised in the faith by their parents when they entered the Old Covenant.

You were not born again at baptism unless your baptism was a confession of Jesus before men...you would have had to have been making a public profession of the fact that you had received Jesus as your Lord and Saviour...

And your baptism would have had to have been an identification with Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection; as you confessed Him as your Saviour and as your Lord.

For baptism does not save except in that it is a confession of Jesus before men (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).

He is not God and desperately referring to figurative verses is not going to change that. One way we know Jesus is not God is that he prayed to God.

No, He really and truly is God no matter how much you attempt to deny this plain fact of holy scripture. I suggest you read posts #1-#6 of my following thread, it may clear things up for you.

True Trinity.

 

[justbyfaith]

One nature yes
But three persons

Jn 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

I'm not in disagreement about the distinction between the Persons...

But you might want to check out my thread.

True Trinity. (especially posts #1-#6).

 

[theefaith]

You were not born again at baptism unless your baptism was a confession of Jesus before men...you would have had to have been making a public profession of the fact that you had received Jesus as your Lord and Saviour...

You have scripture for this

every Sunday mass has a nicene creed
A public profession of the trinity Christ and the church

 

[Heart2Soul]

Thank you, may the Lord abundantly bless you also.

I believe that his statement that I was responding to was this:



Therefore I said this to him:

Ok fair enough.

 

[Waiting on him]

I was Baptized in Christ as an infant - that's when I was born again per Jesus in John 3:5 and entered the New Covenant.
I was raised in the faith by my parents, just as the circumcised Jewish babies were raised in the faith by their parents when they entered the Old Covenant.

I remember being circumcised as an infant, it hurt so bad I couldn’t walk for at least a year.

 

[Taken]

I was Baptized in Christ as an infant -

With water?

 

[theefaith]

I remember being circumcised as an infant, it hurt so bad I couldn’t walk for at least a year.

there is one in every crowd

 

[Wrangler]

No, He really and truly is God

The trinity is not in the Bible ... THE MORE YOU KNOW.

I prefer to keep the 1st Commandment. God put it first. He (singular, not trinitarian plural) must think it is important.

Guess what? No matter how bad my theology is, it does not make your theology sound.

 

[Wrangler]

I didn't equate the comon man with the ignorant.

I equated YOU with the ignorant

Well, I feel better then.

NOTE: When accusing your brother's in Christ of being ignorant, you might want to not misspell so many words. It offsets your pedantic claims a tad.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You were not born again at baptism unless your baptism was a confession of Jesus before men...you would have had to have been making a public profession of the fact that you had received Jesus as your Lord and Saviour...
And your baptism would have had to have been an identification with Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection; as you confessed Him as your Saviour and as your Lord.

For baptism does not save except in that it is a confession of Jesus before men (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).

WRONG.
First of all - show me where the BIBLE makes the statement YOU just did.

Secondly - the examples YOU gave were ained at ADULT converts - not infants.
Jesus NEVER gave an age constraint in John 3:5 . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

With water?

Absolutely.
Jesus said, WATER and the Spirit (John 3:5).

 

[theefaith]

The trinity is not in the Bible ... THE MORE YOU KNOW.

I prefer to keep the 1st Commandment. God put it first. He (singular, not trinitarian plural) must think it is important.

Guess what? No matter how bad my theology is, it does not make your theology sound.

Isa 7:14 God with us!
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

all three here

father: most high
son: so of God
Holy Ghost: spirit

one God three persons

there’s always matt 16:18 and 18:18 bound on earth
And acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles


The Apostles Creed!

I believe in one God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried; he descended to hell. The third day he rose again from the dead. He ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty. From there he will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.

 

[theefaith]

Well, I feel better then.

NOTE: When accusing your brother's in Christ of being ignorant, you might want to not misspell so many words. It offsets your pedantic claims a tad.

there’s no extra credit spelling
This ain’t second grade
You won’t get no gold star
Remember star backwards is rats

 

[FHII]

Thank you, may the Lord abundantly bless you also.

I believe that his statement that I was responding to was this:



Therefore I said this to him:

"if you knew even one thing about the Omnipotence, sovereignty, and love of God, you would realize that He is not going to allow his unadulterated message to be lost to the church, simply because the majority of the church today speaks ands reads" English./QUOTE]
That was a pretty good response, Justbyfaith. I fully agree! Still, if we are still talking about the word knowledge in Hebrews 10:26, everything BOL said about the word is true. THE PROBLEM IS is wasn't lost in the translation at all if you read the entire passage. So while there may not be an equivalent English word for the Greek word, the meaning wasn't lost if you read in context. Therefore, I saw the whole argument as ridiculous.

Still I like what Heart2Soul said... Its tough to stay level headed sometimes in these conversations especially when dealing with others who act the way they do. So it is a good reminder....