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[justbyfaith]

Before I expose your Hog wash views on Repentance....please tell me what you mean by that word..

See Ezekiel 33:19 for my definition.

 

[justbyfaith]

You want to 'accuse' me of not being of God...

Nope. I said "perhaps".

Only wear the shoe if it fits.

 

[justbyfaith]

I will tell you, @Blood Bought 1953, that I do not despise the Lord (and neither do I despise His grace); I love Him.

And therefore, consider what is written in Proverbs 14:2 as concerning whether I am perverse in my ways and in my gospel.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It entails receiving Christ and His shed blood as the remedy for sin.

Boy.....if you could just leave itvat that—- and take out the word “ entails”

 

[justbyfaith]

@Blood Bought 1953,

Have you considered that you are being disobedient to Romans 16:17 in that you continue to engage with me?

I will tell you that I carry new wine and you are an old wineskin.

Therefore if you actually begin to partake of the wine that I offer, you will be burst open and all the wine will spill out.

Therefore you should carefully consider being obedient to Romans 16:17 concerning me; since I carry a doctrine that is different from what you have learned.

(which is not necessarily to say that my doctrine is wrong; just that it is different from yours).

 

[justbyfaith]

I think that in order to have mercy on you, @Blood Bought 1953, I should obey that verse myself and begin to ignore you and your posts, if that be possible.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Bone up on your Greek - THEN get back to me so we can have an intelligent conversation . . .

Nothing to bone up in.

Your interpretation is still lacking. Epignoses says they have RECEIVED the knowledge of truth (epignosis fits. Because they have heard there word of truth the gospel of their salvation or the complete gospel which is the knowledge of truth)

it still says they RECIEVED (lambano - to receive, to lay hands on. to take.)

nothing in the passage says they actually entrusted their eternity to it. ie. the word faith is not in the passage.

You think you have a slam dunk, even the greek does not support your slam dunk.

And your talking about one passage. When your ready to talk about the whole of scripture. (because far to many other passage reject your notion) Come talk to me (we have been here before remember?)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I think that in order to have mercy on you, @Blood Bought 1953, I should obey that verse myself and begin to ignore you and your posts, if that be possible.

Good suggestion.

I may need to put that scripture in practice myself...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Your post 616;
No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 1 John 3:6

So you claim...
*) your mindset was completely changed when you were born again...
BY WHAT POWER?

By the presence of the Holy Spirit in me (you know this, lol).

*) sinning get in your way of your desire for righteousness.
HOW does "sin" get in your way?
Thinking about "committing" sin?
"Committing" sin?

Elaborate in answering the questions?

just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:3​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

In Context...
Matt 6:
[12] And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.


Elaborating on WHAT is FORGIVEN...
Debts AND Trespasses...between MEN;
MEN Against MEN.

You're creating a dichotomy of sins where one does not exist....

For the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. When Nathan the prophet came to him after his adultery with Bathsheba.

"Against You, You only, have I sinned and done what is evil in Your sight" Psalm 51:4​

 

[Charlie24]

I would encourage you, brother, by letting you know that you do not have to fail.

(New Living Translation):
Rom 8:12, Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do.
Rom 8:13, For if you live by its dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.

I would bring you to the reality of fallen man, there is no such thing as no sinning this side of the grave.

We can reach the point of no known sin in our lives, that is, no practicing sin, but sinless perfection which obviously you are teaching is a lie.

Paul himself said he was not perfect but I suppose you are!

Don't come and tell me you don't fail our Lord in one way or another. You are only fooling yourself to think that.

The audacity and arrogance of someone who claims to be perfect in this body of clay is astounding!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Will ALL believers Enter the Kingdom of Heaven?

Yes.

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by its gates. But outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Revelation 22:14-15

But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. Revelation 21:8​

 

[Taken]

Nope. I said "perhaps".

Only wear the shoe if it fits.

Nope. I said "perhaps".

Only wear the shoe if it fits.

Your words, Your shoes...befitting you.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I agree, a man who is Converted, does not sin....can not sin.

YET, people CLAIM repeatedly...
THEY ARE CONVERTED and DO CONTINUE TO SIN.

So, are they LIARS?

No, they are not liars, because the continuance of sin is referring to the lifestyle of slavery and bondage of habitual sin of an unconverted unbeliever. Believers are no longer bound in a lifestyle of habitual sin. The unconverted person is characterized by his sinful lifestyle, but you may catch him in righteousness occasionally. The converted person is characterized by his righteous lifestyle but you may catch him in unrighteousness occasionally.

 

[Taken]

By the presence of the Holy Spirit in me (you know this, lol).

just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:3​

But you just said...Your

"Mindset was COMPLETELY Changed when you were born again"...

How would 2 Corinthians 11:3 then apply to you?

 

[Charlie24]

Your a slanderer. And I do nit talk to people who bear false witness against others

you also believe Gid saved people he knows will walk away from him forcing him to retake his eternal life back. Which means you have a false view of who God is

so that’s a double whammy. Good day sir

Thanks for the compliments EG, your love for your fellow Brother is breathtaking.

Your example of Christlikeness is an encouragement for all of us!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thanks for the compliments EG, your love for your fellow Brother is breathtaking.

Your example of Christlikeness is an encouragement for all of us!

your the one breaking Gods command by bearing false witness against a brother

Practice what you preach my friend. Judge not lest ye be judged. Look in the mirror etc etc.

I just made a statement of fact.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Then find a good church. Is my recommendation. If you can’t trust your church your in the wrong place

They don't exist. Some are just better than others.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Another one

James said confess to
One another so you can be healed

I just said that it’s up to you and now I am legalistic when I just shared what God said

you wanna hide your sins feel free.

I don't see in my post where I said you yourself were legalistic. I don't get that from what you say that you personally are legalistic about it. The church, though, can be very legalistic about these kinds of things. For example, they would have you to go to a church whether it's a good and beneficial church or not. That's ridiculous. But when a person is legalistic about going to church that's what they tell you to do.

 

[Taken]

You're creating a dichotomy of sins where one does not exist....

For the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. When Nathan the prophet came to him after his adultery with Bathsheba.

"Against You, You only, have I sinned and done what is evil in Your sight" Psalm 51:4​

Correct.
A TRUTH....SIN IS ONLY AGAINST GOD.

Correct, IN CONTEXT...David was UNDER the LAW.

Correct, EVERY violation OF the LAW was A SIN Against GOD.

Correct, SIN IS ONLY AGAINST GOD, has NOT CHANGED.

What DID change, was, the LAW WAS FULFILLED, and VIOLATIONS AGAINST the LAW, carry NO PUNISHMENTS. (For those not under the law).

What DID change, was, A NEW, BETTER Testament was Revealed.

The New Better Testament OFFERED to every man...
ANY MAN, COULD;
"Heartfully Believe"
"Confess their Heartful Belief"
RECEIVE.... COMPLETE Forgiveness
* have fulfilled their ONE "bodily" DEATH requirement
* have fulfilled their "soul" SALVATION requirement
* have fulfilled their "spirit" REBIRTH requirement
Effected Once and Forever, BY the POWER of God

And forever BE Free FROM the (FEAR, ENTICEMENT, TEMPTING, COMMISSION, of SIN)...
Again, EFFECTED, BY the POWER of God.

Teaching and Preaching, MEN can be COMPLETELY Forgiven of Sin; body crucified, Soul restored (saved), spirit quickened (born again)....the POWER of GOD IN THEM...

And...they claim they can THEN SIN...is a man taught LIE!
Making the POWER OF GOD to CHANGE a man, (body, soul, spirit), and God Spirits in a man....standing helpless to KEEP A MAN SAVED...is a man made and taught LIE!

Scripture is Clear, men Can Believe and fall from faith.
Scripture is Clear, Converted men CAN NOT SIN.

Converted men are BORN AGAIN OF GODS SEED.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.