Once Saved Always Saved

[Addy]

But I can’t help but see your action in the verse below:

The only action you SHOULD be seeing in me is that I have apologized 3 times now for posting on this thread.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful

Hi EG!

Nice to see you!

I pray all is well with you!

What brings you around these parts?

All is great how about yourself?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The only action you SHOULD be seeing in me is that I have apologized 3 times now for posting on this thread.

Why would you apologize for posting in an open forum? Share your views, they are welcome

 

[justbyfaith]

And I must add;

If it was a willful sin, that could be another issue altogether where the true conversion can be permanently damaged to the point of being unsaveable in the end where repentance is impossible (Hebrews 6:4).

If someone commits a willful sin, it is because they are not saved. Haven't we established that? So there would be no "true conversion" that can be damaged.

In 1 John 3:9, he is not referring to random sins or even willful sins committed by man.

He is referring to "practicing sin."

It actually reads, "Whosoever is born of God does not "practice sin," for his seed remains in him, and he cannot "practice sin", because he is born of God."

We are fallen man even though we are saved, we will sin from time to time. But we have no excuse to practice the same sin over and over again. The repugnancy of sin in the believers heart will not allow it.

If the heart is right with God, habitual sin will come to an end, but this also takes time and varies in each believer.

Okay, so that means that I can go ahead and commit the sin that the devil is tempting me to commit in this present moment...because it is just this one time...and therefore I am not practicing it.

See how that works?

The devil will get advantage of you that way.

It may take 20 years of committing the same sin once every three weeks before you realize that you have been "practicing" it all along.

The one who is born of God will not even commit that sin (not even one time)...as this is the situation of those who have been truly delivered / set free.

 

[Addy]

Why would you apologize for posting in an open forum? Share your views, they are welcome

I apologized because I entered here knowing full well that it was a dragon's den... LOL

 

[justbyfaith]

I apologized because I entered here knowing full well that it was a dragon's den... LOL

It truly is...

But then again, Jesus did say, "I send you forth as lambs in the midst of wolves..."

 

[Michiah-Imla]

All is great how about yourself?

Great here too!

The Lord has given me more than I deserve! Praise God!

 

[Behold]

What a person thinks about whether or not the true believer can stop believing is not a salvation issue.

I personally dont care what you think, or what i think.
"thinking, and OPINION", is not the issue, here...
The issue is, .. when a deceived person is on a Christian Fourm, openly denying that the Blood of Jesus, is a permanent salvation.
And when does this occur?
= habitually.
See, the habitually deceived self righteous, park on Christian forum, and preach their gospel of Cross denying self saving.
So, that is the Issue.
Mods should deal with this immediately, but rarely do they...

So.Its like this Ferris, ... if you believe you can lose your salvation, then you have faith that your behavior is greater and more powerful then God's Blood.

If that is you then keep on teaching it.
But, its not a good idea, unless there is no God to offend.

 

[Behold]

That verse is for the person who is continuing in his trust in Christ but who is weak. Vs. 12 is for the person who has left the Lord in unbelief.

You are again teaching that Faith is the savior.
Thats not true.
Get off that deceit.
Instead recognize that the BLOOD Of Jesus, and NOT FAITH, is what keeps you saved.
Wake up.

 

[amigo de christo]

2 Timothy 2:13
If we are unfaithful,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot deny who he is.

If one believes not in Him , this does not mean HE does not exist . He abides in heaven whether one believes in HIM or not .
Its just if one denies HIM , HE WILL DENY THEM . And many , just like i once did , can deny HIM in works
while still professing to believe in Him by mouth . That is real , i lived it and i know it is .
If our works are of darkness , then no matter if we say we know Him , we lie and do not the truth .
God , His grace changes the one unto whom it enters . For His Spirit guides them into Truth , not into evil .

 

[amigo de christo]

The sins that I will have committed five minutes from now, will be in the past five minutes and 1 second from now.

So then, the fact that past sins are forgiven means that future sins are forgiven.

Of course, 1 John 1:9 just might be a factor.



That is more accurately translated as "the sevenfold Spirit of God", in order to avoid contradiction (and also the original Greek bears it out)...for there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).

It is a factor . Look at what GOD told the churches . Lets look closely at the church of ephesus .
FOR they had orginally had good faith , good love and GOD was warning them to repent and to return
to this , or he was gonna put that candel out .
In another place he warns how if one will not repent HE will come and fight against them with the sword of His mouth .
Thus if one does err , they had better fast be told to repent . IF the SPIRIT that was in the apostles
had them warning folks in the CHURCHES to repent , we had better continue on with the same SPIRIT .
The SPIRIT of GOD , IF one has it , would unction folks to do good and to flee evil .
And if one has the Spirit they would be unctioned to do the same unto others .
We must keep and learn and do the original pattern .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I apologized because I entered here knowing full well that it was a dragon's den... LOL

Lol, I feel ya! But hope you continue to share your belief, inspite of the attacks you are bound to experience

 

[amigo de christo]

You are again teaching that Faith is the savior.
Thats not true.
Get off that deceit.
Instead recognize that the BLOOD Of Jesus, and NOT FAITH, is what keeps you saved.
Wake up.

We must believe , we must have faith that JESUS alone is why we are saved . The work of GOD is to BELIEVE in HIM
who GOD has sent . And if our faith is truly in HIM , IN HIM , then we are hearers and doers of all that HE did teach .
AND ITS JOYOUS to do so , not grievious . We must learn the biblical JESUS and all that truth well .
For i see that many men are trusting in the doctrines of men and not taking JESUS serious at HIS every warning .
IF JESUS said it we say it , if the apostels who really did have the SPIRIT warned and encouraged , then we do the same .
What we dont do is try and twist scripture to suit a teaching from men .
Instead behold both the goodness and the severity of GOD . AS IT WORKS GOOD unto the soul of those who do so .
AND if we truly have the SPIRIT , we would do so .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

We have far to many modern day pharisees here still, ...they still think their righteousness is pleasing, even though God calls them filthy rags

Filthy rags are the righteous acts of a man who does not believe in Christ.

For Paul tells us to:

Romans 6:13
...yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Surely Paul is not telling us to produce filthy rags with our members.

But:

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Great here too!

The Lord has given me more than I deserve! Praise God!

Amen to this, Praise God for all we have.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are again teaching that Faith is the savior.
Thats not true.
Get off that deceit.
Instead recognize that the BLOOD Of Jesus, and NOT FAITH, is what keeps you saved.
Wake up.

I think the Bible says we are saved by grace, so I agree

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Filthy rags are the righteous acts of a man who does not believe in Christ.

For Paul tells us to:

Romans 6:13
...yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Surely Paul is not telling us to produce filthy rags with our members.

But:

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Filthy rags are those who are trying to get to heaven by their works.
It’s like when God asks a person why he should let them in, and they hand him their works.
Of course we know Gods answer, depart for I never knew you

 

[Charlie24]

If someone commits a willful sin, it is because they are not saved. Haven't we established that? So there would be no "true conversion" that can be damaged.



Okay, so that means that I can go ahead and commit the sin that the devil is tempting me to commit in this present moment...because it is just this one time...and therefore I am not practicing it.

See how that works?

The devil will get advantage of you that way.

It may take 20 years of committing the same sin once every three weeks before you realize that you have been "practicing" it all along.

The one who is born of God will not even commit that sin (not even one time)...as this is the situation of those who have been truly delivered / set free.

Salvation is a matter of the heart, it comes from the heart! Romans 10:10.

The person you are describing is one who has no remorse for sin, he has no Advocate for his sins, he has never been saved.

What about David when he sent Uriah to the front lines with the intention for him to be killed, so David could cover his adultery?

David knew exactly what he was doing, he knew it was murder. But he was so concerned over his sins being found out, he premeditated a murder after committing adultery. He didn't see God in all this, he was completely taken in sin.

Did David lose his salvation for all of this? No he did not! Why? When the prophet came and told David what he had done, he immediately repented. David's heart was overcome with grief that he had sinned against God.

He was forgiven for his sins, but he paid a huge price for those sins.

This is not a picture of a license to sin, it is a picture of imperfect man saved by faith.

God called David "the man after my own heart" because he never repeated the same sin "practicing sin," and always his heart was filled with remorse for his sins.

So, we have not established that man is not saved when he commits willful sin!!!

 

[Addy]

Lol, I feel ya! But hope you continue to share your belief, inspite of the attacks you are bound to experience

Been there... done that... I don't argue doctrine anymore. But thanks for the offer.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It’s like when God asks a person why he should let them in, and they hand him their works.

God was pleased with the works of these servants:

Matthew 25:14-30
[14] For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. [15] And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. [16] Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. [17] And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. [18] But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. [19] After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. [20] And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. [21] His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. [22] He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. [23] His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

But here is the fate of the one without works:

[24] Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: [25] And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. [26] His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: ...[30] And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.