Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[GodsGrace]

somebody take a pitcher, i'm agreeing with BoL

LOL
It happens...

 

[BreadOfLife]

What part of a man CHOOSING to make a committment to God; escapes you?
How is that FORCED?

People make commitments EVERY day and break them. This is the result of our fallen nature.
The Jews divorced themselves from God - and they had a Covenant with Him.

God respects out Free Will., which is ALSO a gift from Him.

All you have shown is PEOPLE who have not RECEIVED SLAVATION, Don't have it.

WOW, not exactly a newflash.

WRONG.
I gave you almost a DOZEN verses that you couldn't refute that spoke of BORN AGAIN Christians who can lose their faith . . .

No kidding. Apparently you do not comprehend NOT EVERY WORD of God, APPLIES to EVERY PERSON!

We're STILL subject to every word, Einstein . . .

Again without understanding...
People learn at different paces.
Limited knowledge will result in limited understanding.

And apparently you have not LISTENED to a number of DIFFERENT clerics teaching the same thing out of Scripture, then GIVING DIFFERENT understandings of what the Scripture means. <---- which is precisely WHY, Carnal minded understanding is a FAIL!

No kidding. He leaves that up to men to pretend they SPEAK HIS UNDERSTANDING FOR HIM....when Scripture teaches ONLY God gives the Understanding of HIS WORD, to men!

Feel better to get your anti-Protestant jabs in? LOL

The perpetual-splintering of Protestantism has NOTHING to do with learning as a "different pace."
It has to do with teaching different doctrines based on different understandings of God's Word. It's about divisions in the Body - which Jesus Himself prayed would NOT happen (John 17:21-23).

I don't KNOW everyone, so I can't say what others beleive.
So? I am content with my Teacher, and I like the hours He is available ..24 7!!
Your words, your claim, you own it, not me.

WRONG.

YOUR words from post #1370:
"I would say every born again Protestant believes IN the Rapture...."

Don't try to push those moronically arrogant words onto ME . . .

"They BOTH"...identify who you are speaking of.
I don't know what "EVERYBODY" claims.
Nope and certainly I am not responsible for nonsense you make up and pretend I said it.

Too bad for you.
2 Thes 3:16
The Lord of peace give (gave me) us peace always by all means..
1 Time 1:2
...Grace, Mercy, Peace for God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
Too bad for you. Bet you grabbed the Grace and Mercy...too bad He forgot to give you Peace.

And the rest of this evasive post is just you running away from my earlier questions regarding your absurd notion that ALL people are taught understand Scripture differently than the other so that confusion reigns . . .

 

[Taken]

Why??
It's not God's fault that we threw it back in His face.

How ignorant.
Ya sure, God, THEE ALL KNOWING GOD, is going to GIVE THE GIFT OF SALVATION, and then have some PEON throw it back in His Face?

Get real. God does not hand out Salvation like a cheap wedding band for a man to MOCK Him!

When somebody gives you a gift - they don't force you to keep it.

LOL - seriously you are comparing the dumb things the created do TO the ALL KNOWING CREATOR?

God doesn't force us to stay in our secure position.

Once having received Salvation...What don't you get, you gave your word to Commit to Him...
So what are you preaching? God is so UNKNOWING, He gives Salvation to men who LIE to Him?

That's why Peter warns:
2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

Yipes, do you EVER read a whole chapter to know what they are talking about?

Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

Their secure position is them being taught the knowledge of the Word of God....not them having received Salvation!

James says emphatically:
James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and NOT by faith alone.

James is correct.
Faith justifies a mans body to be raised in glory.
Works justifies a man to receive blessings and reward for works that glorify God.

He ALSO taught that those who simply call on His name won't be saved -

False. And, ding, ding, ding...the thief on the cross was saved!

but ONLY the one who will be saved is the one who DOES the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21).

And? What is the WILL of the Father?

Preach Gods Salvation is some cheap gift He gives to men who can MOCK God, and throw it back in his face? Uh NO!

Am I justified by belief or works?
I'm justified by BOTH.

By teaching men can MOCK God?
By teaching God gives Salvation and WAITS to see what a man might decide to do later?

The men who said, Lord, Lord, didn't we USE YOUR NAME and cast out demons...
Yes, His Name is POWER, but too bad, they were USING His POWER, without having DONE the WILL of the Father....and whoops, they were denied by Jesus.

A man who KNOWS the Lord does not teach He is Unknowing and sets Himself up to be MOCKED by his created roaming around on his footstool!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

First of all - belief is NOT faith.
Faith = Belief + Works.

I have a question that might be pointless concerning works but here it goes:

Pharaoh spoke with God, did he not? In that God told Pharaoh how HE would use him so that God's name would be declared throughout all the earth.

Romans 9:17
[17] For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Judas betrayed Jesus. It was God's will that Jesus be betrayed and handed over. Judas furfilled that work. Yes? No?

2 Timothy 2:20
[20] But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

Are not both vessels in the great house?

 

[Taken]

People make commitments EVERY day and break them. This is the result of our fallen nature.
The Jews divorced themselves from God - and they had a Covenant with Him.

God respects out Free Will., which is ALSO a gift from Him.

And? Your point? Did you not FREELY CHOOSE God with YOUR YES?

So, exactly HOW WOULD A MAN UNDO HIS YES?

WRONG

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I gave you almost a DOZEN verses that you couldn't refute that spoke of BORN AGAIN Christians who can lose their faith . . .

Wrong! None of your verses were about born again men.

We're STILL subject to every word, Einstein . . .

LOL, funny. How's your long flowing hair woman?

1 Cor 11:15
But is a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her;

The perpetual-splintering of Protestantism has NOTHING to do with learning as a "different pace."
It has to do with teaching different doctrines based on different understandings of God's Word. It's about divisions in the Body - which Jesus Himself prayed would NOT happen (John 17:21-23).

It has to do with many fractions.
I already spoke of different clerics traching differing thing.
I also mentioned pace.
I guess Cradle Catholics, gets the entire Bible miraculously imparted into them at their baby baptism. LOL

YOUR

words from post #1370:
"I would say every born again Protestant believes IN the Rapture...."

Don't

try to push those moronically arrogant words onto ME . . .

If to you, the Rapture is moronic and arrogant to believe ; eh, ...LOL, again, I am thankful to not be a Catholic.

And the rest of this evasive post is just you running away from my earlier questions ....

Nope, not running away, just ignoring your questions like you have ignored mine!

LOL...door swings both ways..

 

[BreadOfLife]

I have a question that might be pointless concerning works but here it goes:

Pharaoh spoke with God, did he not? In that God told Pharaoh how HE would use him so that God's name would be declared throughout all the earth.

Romans 9:17
[17] For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Judas betrayed Jesus. It was God's will that Jesus be betrayed and handed over. Judas furfilled that work. Yes? No?

2 Timothy 2:20
[20] But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

Are not both vessels in the great house?

I'm not sure how this applies to what I said about faith and works.
Could you clarify? Thanks.

 

[Taken]

I understand.
The time will come when all will see and know, but it will be too late to believe unto salvation. When every knee shall bow...

From the above I gather that you are one of those that believe unbelievers will simply perish? I don't care to debate this, just curious.

Well, as I said all shall believe.
But I do believe, those who physically die without having received Salvation, shall have their body and soul, void of life, destroyed, and forever separated from God.

Inanutshell, God is Just, Everyone gets to choose to be WITH God or WITHOUT God, and He gives to them forever what they chose.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

First of all - I was responding to Taken - not to YOU.

Secondly - I never referred to God as a "Cosmic Rapist."
I referred to the "god" that Taken invented as a "Cosmic Rapist."

Finally - name-calling like YOU just did is against forum rules.
It's obvious that you have some serious emotional issued that need to be worked out with intense therapy . . .

Will you be my doctor?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

somebody take a pitcher, i'm agreeing with BoL

you always were strange
he's finally gotten to you
good for him
He's got one

 

[Taken]

Will you be my doctor?

LOL,

God Bless,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

How ignorant.
Ya sure, God, THEE ALL KNOWING GOD, is going to GIVE THE GIFT OF SALVATION, and then have some PEON throw it back in His Face?

Get real. God does not hand out Salvation like a cheap wedding band for a man to MOCK Him!

People have been squandering their gifts from God for time and memorial.
What makes you think that they can't squander the gift of salvation??

LOL - seriously you are comparing the dumb things the created do TO the ALL KNOWING CREATOR?
Once having received Salvation...What don't you get, you gave your word to Commit to Him...
So what are you preaching? God is so UNKNOWING, He gives Salvation to men who LIE to Him?

No - He gave us a FREE WILL to make our own choice.

Yipes, do you EVER read a whole chapter to know what they are talking about?
Their secure position is them being taught the knowledge of the Word of God....not them having received Salvation!

WRONG.
There is nothing "secure" about knowledge (gnosis)

This is a verse about SALVATION, which IS secure if we don't walk away from it.

James is correct.
Faith justifies a mans body to be raised in glory.
Works justifies a man to receive blessings and reward for works that glorify God.

Yes, I know James is correct because he was inspired by the Holy spirit.
Faith + works = TRUE Faith.

False. And, ding, ding, ding...the thief on the cross was saved!

That's because the thief was an exception.
He was kind of "busy" and didn't have time for works, Einstein.

His "work" was persevering in faith in time of great suffering.

And? What is the WILL of the Father?
Preach Gods Salvation is some cheap gift He gives to men who can MOCK God, and throw it back in his face? Uh NO!
It is to believe in what Christ taught and follow His commands (John 6:40) - which includes suffering with Him, picking up our cross daily, works of charity, etc.

By teaching men can MOCK God?
By teaching God gives Salvation and WAITS to see what a man might decide to do later?

The men who said, Lord, Lord, didn't we USE YOUR NAME and cast out demons...
Yes, His Name is POWER, but too bad, they were USING His POWER, without having DONE the WILL of the Father....and whoops, they were denied by Jesus.

A man who KNOWS the Lord does not teach He is Unknowing and sets Himself up to be MOCKED by his created roaming around on his footstool!

And the man who thinks God forces His love on us has invented a Cosmic Rapist for a "god".
Good luck with that . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

People have been squandering their gifts from God for time and memorial.
What makes you think that they can't squander the gift of salvation??

No - He gave us a FREE WILL to make our own choice.

WRONG.
There is nothing "secure" about knowledge (gnosis)

This is a verse about SALVATION, which IS secure if we don't walk away from it.

Yes, I know James is correct because he was inspired by the Holy spirit.
Faith + works = TRUE Faith.

That's because the thief was an exception.
He was kind of "busy" and didn't have time for works, Einstein.

His "work" was persevering in faith in time of great suffering.

You don't really think your doing any good works on this forum, do you?
You think God wants an angry man who doesn't know how to stop and smell the roses to stink up his heaven?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Will you be my doctor?

No - but I'm sure I can point you to some qualified professionals.
YOU might need a whole team of them . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You don't really think your doing any good works on this forum, do you?
You think God wants an angry man who doesn't know how to stop and smell the roses to stink up his heaven?

I'm not "angry" - just intolerant of lies and fairy tales.
BIG difference, sparky . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

So, as you tip toe through the tulips, you freely tell people how wrong they are by using nasty words.
Okay, I can buy that.

 

[Taken]

People have been squandering their gifts from God for time and memorial.
What makes you think that they can't squander the gift of salvation??

LOL, Spiritually ignorant.

Let me give you the toddler version;
If you can ONLY receive salvation with your right hand, and you stick out your right hand to take the Salvation; and then your right hand is cut off...with what exactly are you going to give back the gift?

No - He gave us a FREE WILL to make our own choice.

Whatever you say how it works with YOUR INVENTED cosmic rapist god.

LOL, Thanks for sharing information about the Catholic god.

WRONG

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There is nothing "secure" about knowledge (gnosis)

LOL. Ya sure, no security in the Knowledge of the Word of God...<--- how ignorant.

This is a verse about SALVATION, which IS secure if we don't walk away from it.

No, it does not mention salvation. As a matter of fact Salvation is not mentioned in the entire book of James.

Yes, I know James is correct because he was inspired by the Holy spirit.

Faith + works = TRUE Faith.

Opposed to what, fake faith, of your fake invented cosmic rapist god?

Yipes Catholic teaching is weird; having a cosmic rapist god...utterly bizarre!

That's because the thief was an exception.
He was kind of "busy" and didn't have time for works, Einstein.

LOL, your teaching gets funnier and funnier!
No, the thief was no exception.
He called on the Lord!

 

[amadeus]

well i guess anything is possible, imo "deathbed conversion" pretty much = "maybe God will be mocked; i'm dying and it's worth a shot."
Obviously "Life, more abundantly" has been completely negated in that formula right, they are looking for "salvation" because they are in fear, not in love.

I would certainly agree that probably most of the time you would be correct, but...but perhaps that person was already hungry and thirsty for the righteousness of God and in those final moments left to him, God gave him exactly what he was seeking for so long.

 

[aspen]

You guys are assuming that salvation is a possession. What if it is a condition? Yes, God gives it to us, but He also gives us good health

 

[Taken]

You don't really think your doing any good works on this forum, do you?
You think God wants an angry man who doesn't know how to stop and smell the roses to stink up his heaven?

He has no answers.
He teaches his opinion as if he is trying to recruit followers.
And he makes up outrageous tales.
Then whines because People won't agree with him.

I think it would be a poor choice to seek him for your doctor; well except maybe for your ducks...quack, quack. LOL

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

And the man who thinks God forces his love on us has invented a Cosmic Rapist for a "god".

Good golly man, the things you make up and say, are bizarre!

You should really stop sharing your own made up thoughts.

Yipes!!