Offenders in the kingdom

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Timtofly

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Hmmm … so if someone were to say Jesus was crucified in 30AD you would toss that out as being limited to a physical point in time?

No doubt Jesus transcends time as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth but as far as that event taking place in time as we know it, it happened in 30AD or perhaps 33AD.



Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Daniel 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

All the above verses take place at a point in time that we humans can recognize as date on the calendar. We may not know the exact date but nevertheless these events did or will occur on a date in time.


Believers were in Sheol until after the cross. God’s promises are as good as if they already happened, that’s how absolutely sure we can be of them. However people couldn’t realize the fullness of salvation until after the cross. Again, a point in time had to occur first even though He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth.
Your point about authority was based on the physical act, not that the physical act did not happen.

I would say the post resurrection body of Jesus existed in Genesis 1:1. But to to say which came first is rather odd, as Jesus is not effected by time at any point in His life.

Obviously as a toddler in Nazareth, that toddler was not present in Genesis 1.

The same is true about the physical point in time of the 7th Trumpet. Jesus has always existed and has had all power and authority. But Jesus as the physical King over every nation, has never happened prior to that point in physical time.