Obeying Acts 2:38 is the only plan of salvation

[Truther]

Christendom has declared war on Acts 2:38. It is it is a bizarre thing to see. We are definitely living in the last days. If you post the verse or even attempt to elaborate on it, you get swarmed with folks that have spent their life fighting it. It is weird that the New Testament church practiced it and most Christians despise it.

 

[Arthur81]

Christendom has declared war on Acts 2:38. It is it is a bizarre thing to see. We are definitely living in the last days. If you post the verse or even attempt to elaborate on it, you get swarmed with folks that have spent their life fighting it. It is weird that the New Testament church practiced it and most Christians despise it.

An observation:

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for/eis the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38 KJV)

"I indeed baptize you with water unto/eis repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:" (Matt 3:11 KJV)

Did the baptizing in Acts 2:38 cause or produce the remission of sins and did the baptizing in Matt. 3:11 cause or produce the repentance?

Prepositions are very difficult and tricky. Notice in the Strong's Greek NT Dictionary how many ways the word eis can be translated.

 

[Truther]

An observation:

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for/eis the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38 KJV)

"I indeed baptize you with water unto/eis repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:" (Matt 3:11 KJV)

Did the baptizing in Acts 2:38 cause or produce the remission of sins and did the baptizing in Matt. 3:11 cause or produce the repentance?

Prepositions are very difficult and tricky. Notice in the Strong's Greek NT Dictionary how many ways the word eis can be translated.

Baptism and the name of Jesus Christ is for the remission of sins. Takes away sins. That’s what it says.

 

[Bob Estey]

Christendom has declared war on Acts 2:38. It is it is a bizarre thing to see. We are definitely living in the last days. If you post the verse or even attempt to elaborate on it, you get swarmed with folks that have spent their life fighting it. It is weird that the New Testament church practiced it and most Christians despise it.

Matthew 4:17

 

[Behold]

Christendom has declared war on Acts 2:38.

Before Jesus began His ministry, you had for many years, = John the Baptist telling the unsaved Jews..

"repent and be baptized "

So, that is John The Baptist's message for the Jews..


Peter, being a Jew, told Jews the same during PENTECOST ......as at that time, The Cross had Just birthed Christianity, and the time of the gentiles had just begun.
So, Peter was preaching "the Baptist's" water message to the Jews, who were in Jerusalem, during "pentecost".
On that day, Peter nor those in the Upper room, were water baptized, yet they all spoke with "tongues".
Peter had received the Holy Spirit, before Pentecost, .. .in John 20:22, and he was not water baptized, and he didnt "speak in tongues".

15 Yrs after Jesus was BACK IN HEAVEN.. .Peter met Paul, Acts 15.... and Paul taught Peter, the "Gospel of the Grace of God".. that is..

"The preaching of the CROSS, is the Power of God, unto Salvation"...

That's not repent and get wet..

 

[Truther]

Matthew 4:17

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand....

Then later...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ..

 

[Truther]

Before Jesus began His ministry, you had for many years, = John the Baptist telling the unsaved Jews..

"repent and be baptized "

So, that is John The Baptist's message for the Jews..


Peter, being a Jew, told Jews the same during PENTECOST ......as at that time, The Cross had Just birthed Christianity, and the time of the gentiles had just begun.
So, Peter was preaching "the Baptist's" water message to the Jews, who were in Jerusalem, during "pentecost".
On that day, Peter nor those in the Upper room, were water baptized, yet they all spoke with "tongues".
Peter had received the Holy Spirit, before Pentecost, .. .in John 20:22, and he was not water baptized, and he didnt "speak in tongues".

15 Yrs after Jesus was BACK IN HEAVEN.. .Peter met Paul, Acts 15.... and Paul taught Peter, the "Gospel of the Grace of God".. that is..

"The preaching of the CROSS, is the Power of God, unto Salvation"...

That's not repent and get wet..

Buddy, this is preaching the cross...


....Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,..


Can I get a witness?.....

 

[ScottA]

Christendom has declared war on Acts 2:38. It is it is a bizarre thing to see. We are definitely living in the last days. If you post the verse or even attempt to elaborate on it, you get swarmed with folks that have spent their life fighting it. It is weird that the New Testament church practiced it and most Christians despise it.

While Acts 2:38 is certainly a good model to follow and practice, there is no law in that passage. In fact the context is Peter specifically speaking to Israel, and not "Christendom."

This then is much like the Law which Jesus reduced to two (for similar reasons). In which case, Jesus simply stating that "he who believes in Me" shall be saved, need not be added to.

 

[Truther]

While Acts 2:38 is certainly a good model to follow and practice, there is no law in that passage. In fact the context is Peter specifically speaking to Israel, and not "Christendom."

This then is much like the Law which Jesus reduced to two (for similar reasons). In which case, Jesus simply stating that "he who believes in Me" shall be saved, need not be added to.

I see, okay, so only Jews today need to obey Acts 2:38?

How do we know if they are Jews?

Must they qualify themselves by practicing the Law first, to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins?

Or, are gentiles also commanded to be baptized in the name of the Lord as per Acts 10?

Howbout half Jew/Gentile? Should they be baptized in the name of Jesus as per Acts 8(Samaritans)?

You should hit up the Mormons genealogy system to see if folks have the qualifications to obey Acts 2:38.

 

[ScottA]

I see, okay, so only Jews today need to obey Acts 2:38?

How do we know if they are Jews?

Must they qualify themselves by practicing the Law first, to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins?

Or, are gentiles also commanded to be baptized in the name of the Lord as per Acts 10?

Howbout half Jew/Gentile? Should they be baptized in the name of Jesus as per Acts 8(Samaritans)?

You should hit up the Mormons genealogy system to see if folks have the qualifications to obey Acts 2:38.

Biblically, none are Jews any longer. That is, the bloodline continues, but God's dealings with them as a nation and people is "finished", by Christ who was the Last.

It is certainly not commonly known, but the transition of "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual" occurred with and in Christ during that time--that generation (1 Corinthians 15:46).

Thus, "many who are first will be last, and the last first" (Matthew 19:30).

 

[Aunty Jane]

Christendom has declared war on Acts 2:38. It is it is a bizarre thing to see. We are definitely living in the last days. If you post the verse or even attempt to elaborate on it, you get swarmed with folks that have spent their life fighting it. It is weird that the New Testament church practiced it and most Christians despise it.

Acts 2:38..
”Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.”

Peter was addressing Jews when he said the above. He had moved them to shame over the death of Christ and told them how to show God that they were sorry for any complicity in his murder.
Baptism “in the name of Jesus Christ” was a declaration to their Jewish countrymen that these ones had started out on a new course in life…a different one, which at that time was still open only to Jews.

Like Jesus himself, when he approached John B to baptize him.…..John rightly protested because Jesus had no sins from which to repent, so after Jesus convinced him of the reason, (to carry out the will of God) John obeyed and submitted Jesus to another kind of baptism….one that his disciples would not experience until after his return to heaven. Immediately after his baptism, Jesus received the holy spirit.

It is important to take into consideration that Jews did not practice baptism. The ritual bathing in the Mikva was a ceremonial washing of the flesh as physical cleanness was as important as spiritual cleanness. One had to be clean in both ways. This is still practiced by Jews today.

“The free gift of the holy spirit” was not given until Pentecost, although the apostles could perform miracles using Jesus’ name, but they had no power in or of themselves at that point. Their anointing at Pentecost saw the gifts of the spirit imparted to them.

Jesus said that he was sent only to the “lost sheep of the house of Israel”, so he did not generally preach to Gentiles. (There were limited exceptions, such as the Samaritan woman at the well, which Jesus used as an opportunity to declare that no geographical location would be the centre of God’s worship in the future.) But by and large, gentiles were added only after Israel had been given first option as per God’s promise.
The promise that God made to Abraham centuries earlier, was for “all nations to be blessed” by the coming Messiah…..Israel was the nation through whom the Messiah would come….but by no means were they to be the only ones blessed.

This is my understanding….

 

[Bob Estey]

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand....

Then later...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ..

Repentance keeps us out of a lot of trouble, it seems to me.

 

[Truther]

Biblically, none are Jews any longer. That is, the bloodline continues, but God's dealings with them as a nation and people is "finished", by Christ who was the Last.

It is certainly not commonly known, but the transition of "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual" occurred with and in Christ during that time--that generation (1 Corinthians 15:46).

Thus, "many who are first will be last, and the last first" (Matthew 19:30).

The very least thing you can do is obey the command of Peter to Cornelius and get baptized in the name of the Lord.

 

[Truther]

Acts 2:38..
”Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.”

Peter was addressing Jews when he said the above. He had moved them to shame over the death of Christ and told them how to show God that they were sorry for any complicity in his murder.
Baptism “in the name of Jesus Christ” was a declaration to their Jewish countrymen that these ones had started out on a new course in life…a different one, which at that time was still open only to Jews.

Like Jesus himself, when he approached John B to baptize him.…..John rightly protested because Jesus had no sins from which to repent, so after Jesus convinced him of the reason, (to carry out the will of God) John obeyed and submitted Jesus to another kind of baptism….one that his disciples would not experience until after his return to heaven. Immediately after his baptism, Jesus received the holy spirit.

It is important to take into consideration that Jews did not practice baptism. The ritual bathing in the Mikva was a ceremonial washing of the flesh as physical cleanness was as important as spiritual cleanness. One had to be clean in both ways. This is still practiced by Jews today.

“The free gift of the holy spirit” was not given until Pentecost, although the apostles could perform miracles using Jesus’ name, but they had no power in or of themselves at that point. Their anointing at Pentecost saw the gifts of the spirit imparted to them.

Jesus said that he was sent only to the “lost sheep of the house of Israel”, so he did not generally preach to Gentiles. (There were limited exceptions, such as the Samaritan woman at the well, which Jesus used as an opportunity to declare that no geographical location would be the centre of God’s worship in the future.) But by and large, gentiles were added only after Israel had been given first option as per God’s promise.
The promise that God made to Abraham centuries earlier, was for “all nations to be blessed” by the coming Messiah…..Israel was the nation through whom the Messiah would come….but by no means were they to be the only ones blessed.

This is my understanding….

Peter gave Acts 2:38 to the Jews in Acts 2. He gave it to the Samaritans and Acts 8. He gave it to the Gentiles and Acts 10. There is no excuse for not being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of one’s sins.

 

[Truther]

Repentance keeps us out of a lot of trouble, it seems to me.

Amen

 

[ScottA]

The very least thing you can do is obey the command of Peter to Cornelius and get baptized in the name of the Lord.

That assumes Jesus is not the baptism. Except that He is--He is the baptism, and that baptism will not be take from those who receive Him.

To the contrary, those who are baptized with water and do not receive Christ, are not received of Him.

 

[Truther]

That assumes Jesus is not the baptism. Except that He is--He is the baptism, and that baptism will not be take from those who receive Him.

To the contrary, those who are baptized with water and do not receive Christ, are not received of Him.

That’s not what I said. Peter commanded Cornelius and his family and friends to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Can you obey that command or not?

 

[ScottA]

That’s not what I said. Peter commanded Cornelius and his family and friends to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Can you obey that command or not?

I have both done it and recommend it as such.

However, there is no commandment that supersedes Jesus's very simple word on the matter; and you are more than suggesting there is, as one who prefers the Law. Which shows a lack of understanding on your part. Peter had every reason to take things back to the beginning and to repeat the steps, but you do not have good reason to preach to Law to those who are beyond those elementary stages. If you yourself have reason to return to those elementary points--do so, it is good. But that would mean you are in no position to preach on the matter.

 

[Truther]

I have both done it and recommend it as such.

However, there is no commandment that supersedes Jesus's very simple word on the matter; and you are more than suggesting there is, as one who prefers the Law. Which shows a lack of understanding on your part. Peter had every reason to take things back to the beginning and to repeat the steps, but you do not have good reason to preach to Law to those who are beyond those elementary stages. If you yourself have reason to return to those elementary points--do so, it is good. But that would mean you are in no position to preach on the matter.

Are you trying to say that obeying Acts 2:38 is obeying the law of the Old Testament?

 

[PS95]

Are you trying to say that obeying Acts 2:38 is obeying the law of the Old Testament?

lol I honestly haven't understood any of these comments. I think though, that I would try Matthew 28 and see if the comments differ, since it includes (the other sheep) of the nations. IDK why the fight against what I think you're saying. Is baptism commanded by the Lord? Yes. Should we obey Him? Yes. Why the fuss?

Matthew 28:19-20
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always to the end of the age.