"Not my God. Not my Jesus."

[marks]

The validity of Bible statements resides in how those statements change your life.
Otherwise, they have no validity, no purpose, no sense.

I would sooner say, the validity of Bible statements is in their factual accuracy.

Many people have reformed themselves to some extent, but that is not the same as being born again by joining Jesus in His death and resurrection.

I'm not putting "perceptions" over the Bible. I'm putting a holy life over the Bible.

You perceive what you think of as an "holy life".

Why? Because the Bible is just a tool, a tool designed to lead the reader to a holy life.
I'm not making this up. It's in the Bible itself !!

The Bible is not given just that we can improve our behavior. It is to that those who are dead can be alive.

Please read with me: Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.

The man of God. This is not all men. Those who are in Jesus Christ, the Jesus of the Bible.

The fact that God equally guides Christians to become Muslims

That would be your perception, based on your view that both are true. The Bible denies this, as Jesus proclaims that He is the only way to the Father.

Your idea that God turns people to Islam is in rebellion to Jesus' words that He is the only way, and that way is to share His death on the cross, which Islam denies happened.

Much love!

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

The issue is not whether Jesus was an historical person who did all these things……the issue is whether Jesus was “THE Son of God”, not just a prophet among many.

Jesus couldn't care less.
Please, read your Bible again, and point out to our readers a single episode, a single one, in which Jesus gave such an importance to the matter, that He couldn't forgive, heal or save a person until that person provided clear evidence of knowing that He was the Son of God.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The question is: How could you trust a person who is worshiping the devil (or any false god, for that matter)?
As per @Aunty Jane declaration, these people are not worshipping the One and True God. So, what are they worshipping?

How could you trust your tax calculation to an accountant, your children to a teacher, your body to a surgeon... if the accountant, the teacher and the surgeon are supposedly demon-worshippers?

The answer here is simple…..if you find out that the people you trust to carry out the tasks that you assign to them, are demon worshippers, you would naturally withdraw all contact from them….but first you would offer them God’s truth…..giving them an opportunity to come to know the true God and to change their minds. God reads hearts…we cannot. He will “draw” those in whom he sees the possibility for change….and repentance. (John 6:44, 65)

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Many people have reformed themselves to some extent, but that is not the same as being born again by joining Jesus in His death and resurrection.

To some extent?
How much reformation would you need to observe, in order to think "This person is being born again"?

Oskar Schindler at first wanted to exploit Jews as workers for his own interest... but ended up putting his life at risk and spending all his resources to save more than 1300 lives. Is this "reformation" enough for you to admit he had been born again?

The Bible is not given just that we can improve our behavior. It is to that those who are dead can be alive.

No one can say he has passed from death to life, if his behavior has not been transformed. Do you agree?

 

[marks]

How much reformation would you need to observe, in order to think "This person is being born again"?

Born again is a certain thing. It's not simply reformation. Someone who's spirit was dead has been made alive, being united with Jesus Christ in His death and resurrection, becoming a new person. Not just a better behaved person, a new person. Only in Christ, though.

No one can say he has passed from death to life, if his behavior has not been transformed. Do you agree?

No one who is born again is not changed.

What would it mean for Satan to disguise himself as an angel of light, and his servants as ministers of righteousness? That they would all be a bunch of child molesters? Of course not! They will look as much as possible as holy people.

Again, rebirth in Christ is not a matter of how you look to others. Either you are made alive in Him or you are not. If you are of the mind that you can look at someone's behavior and determine in your mind, this person is born again, then you are forming opinions based on your perceptions.

When in fact there is a spiritual ontological change in the person who is made alive in Christ, by sharing His death. A death that the Muslim fully denies happening.

Much love!

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

The answer here is simple…..if you find out that the people you trust to carry out the tasks that you assign to them, are demon worshippers, you would naturally withdraw all contact from them….

And how would you realize that your dentist of the teacher of your children are demon worshippers?
Would you ask them to complete a quiz with 20 questions on Theology?

No, my sister.
You would realize they are Satan worshippers when they do the works of Satan.
This is what the Bible teaches. Doesn't it? Didn't Jesus called those who wanted to murder Him "children of Satan" because they had murderous intentions? Or did He call them that way because they leaned to the doctrines or Saducees, or Hellenists?

If a person is truly honest, it is because that person is worshipping the One and True God, regardless of being Baptist or Zoroastrian.
If a person is dishonest, it is because that person is not worshiping God, regardless of being Baha'i or Jehovah Witness.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

If you are of the mind that you can look at someone's behavior and determine in your mind, this person is born again, then you are forming opinions based on your perceptions.

Obviously only God can know the secrets of each heart. I can only make an "informed guess".
Yet Jesus gave us the method of examining the fruits to tell between true and false teachers. So, it should be a good method after all.
You seem to distrust the method given by Jesus Himself. I hope to have misinterpreted you.

15 Watch out for false prophets! They dress up like sheep, but inside they are wolves who have come to attack you. 16 You can tell what they are by what they do. No one picks grapes or figs from thornbushes. 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. 19 Every tree producing bad fruit will be chopped down and burned. 20 You can tell who the false prophets are by their deeds. (Mat 7:15-20, CEV)

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Born again is a certain thing. It's not simply reformation. Someone who's spirit was dead has been made alive, being united with Jesus Christ in His death and resurrection, becoming a new person. Not just a better behaved person, a new person. Only in Christ, though.

Let me repeat my question, and forgive me for that.
How much "better behaved" a person should get, for you to say that he is "a new person"?

 

[Wrangler]

What would be the reason why God has been so compassionate (merciful) with you and with me?

If you observe compassion and mercy from Jihadi followers of Islam, you aren’t paying attention. Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

They have been the bane of civilization since their inception 1400 years ago! As President George W Bush said, it is a fight FOR civilization.

 

[marks]

Obviously only God can know the secrets of each heart. I can only make an "informed guess".
Yet Jesus gave us the method of examining the fruits to tell between true and false teachers. So, it should be a good method after all.
You seem to distrust the method given by Jesus Himself. I hope to have misinterpreted you.

15 Watch out for false prophets! They dress up like sheep, but inside they are wolves who have come to attack you. 16 You can tell what they are by what they do. No one picks grapes or figs from thornbushes. 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. 19 Every tree producing bad fruit will be chopped down and burned. 20 You can tell who the false prophets are by their deeds. (Mat 7:15-20)

True and false teachers, yes. And Jesus spoke this before He died and rose again. And similar statements are made of false prophets.

What does the Bible say about those who are the true children of God?

1 John 2:21-23 KJV
21) I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23) Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

This shows it is not the Muslim.

1 John 2:19 KJV
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

It's not the one who leaves the church.

Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Romans 5:1-10 KJV
1) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3) And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4) And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5) And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6) For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7) For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Read these passages, and then tell me that the one who denies the death of Christ, who denies the resurrection, as the Muslim does, has life in Christ.

1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Acts 20:28 KJV
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Tell me that the one who denies that Jesus is God come as a man is trusting the same Jesus that we see in the Bible.

Galatians 1:3-9 KJV
3) Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4) Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5) To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Tell me that the one who preaches differently, that Jesus didn't die, that Jesus was a man like other men, isn't accursed. Again, be warned!

This isn't a book filled with flowery spiritual sounding speech, this is revelation from God, it's quite simply truth.

Much love!

 

[marks]

How much "better behaved" a person should get, for you to say that he is "a new person"?

I'll answer again . . . it's not a matter of my opinion of someone based on how I perceive them, that determines whether they are born again.

Romans 6:3-11 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sharing Jesus' death and resurrection is what makes someone born again. After that, they will be different, as,

2 Corinthians 5:17-21 KJV
17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18) And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20) Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21) For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

There is no way to remove Jesus dying on the cross, then rising again from the dead, from the true Gospel.

Reconciliation to the Father is in Jesus Christ alone, in His death and resurrection. There is no way around that central truth.

Much love!

 

[Aunty Jane]

I like your posts, my sister, and keep notes with them.

Thank you….I like to share what I have learned….I am a stickler for detail…..it must be clear in my own mind before I can convey anything to anyone else…..so my posts are sometimes long but hopefully not boring to the seekers out there. A true Christian cannot have the concentration span of a goldfish…..knowledge is the most precious thing we have…on it we stake our lives. “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”, for obvious reasons…

However, you reference Isaiah 9:6 as a prophecy of Yeshua, but evidence shows that it does not necessarily refer to the Son of God.

Let’s see….what does it say….?
“For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts [Yahweh] will accomplish this.” (NASB)

OK, so we know that Isaiah was a prophet who wrote about the future….so this “child” born “to us” (God’s people) was to have governmental authority given to him. This was also prophesied by Daniel who saw an amazing vision of something that was to occur in heaven, in the future, unseen by human eyes…
Dan 3:13-14…..
“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.” (NASB1995)

Reading both prophesies we see the same scenario. In both prophesies the governmental authority granted to this one was to be everlasting…..this cannot apply to just a mere human ruler.

This one was to be a “son of David” and inherit his throne, so again we see the people hailing Jesus as “the son of David”…..His kingship, once established was to be passed on to no one else and would stand forever.
Jesus told us that this “authority“ over all things was “given“ to him by his Father. (Matt 28:18)

We are living in the days where these prophesies and others, have seen, and will yet see, their complete fulfillment.

Since I believe that Yeshua was the "only begotten Son," I can't see that He was the transfigured Archangel. I believe that His physical birth is real and fulfilled prophecy in other parts of Isaiah.

The son of God was “the beginning of God’s creation” (Rev 3:14) so being “begotten” means that he needed a ‘begetter’ who existed before him. The tern “monogenes” simply means “an only child”….it is not a term applied exclusively to Jesus…..but he is also called God’s “firstborn”……which indicates that more “children” were expected to come along in the future. So the pre-human Jesus was a spirit son produced as the first and only direct creation of his Father…..this is what made him unique……all other creation came “through” the son, from the Father. (Col 1:15-17; John 1:2-3)

All of God’s “children” he calls “sons” but Jesus is not like his brother angels…..he alone was the one who spent untold eons before the creation of other beings, learning from his Father and forming a bond that was unbreakable….resulting in a love and trust that could not be duplicated in any other free willed creature.
As the Archangel Michael, (one of his name) he was and is still the commander of the angels….he is their superior in every way, so not ‘just an angel’. No other personages are said to command the angelic forces…just Michael and Jesus.

Michael is “the great prince” who “stands on behalf of Jehovah’s people” (Daniel 12:1-2)
It was the pre-human Jesus who was his Father’s spokesman (Logos) and obedient son in securing the land promised to his people….in conveying God’s commands to Moses…..and in giving visions to his prophets.
His role as the Logos was always in the service of his God and directed only to God’s people.

Daniel’s prophesies pertain to “the time of the end”….the time we are living in right now. (Daniel 12:4; 9-10) So has Michael taken his stand as the King of God’s people? This is the time for him to do so….but why then is the world in such turmoil?
Because David prophesied that after his sacrificial death, he was to return to heaven “at his Father’s right hand” (his former place) and wait for God to place “his enemies as a stool for his feet”…..then he was to “rule in the midst of his enemies“. (Psalm 110:1-2) So at the beginning of his rulership, we were not to expect peace, but a subduing of his enemies who in this age were going to clearly manifest themselves.

As these “last days” draw to a close, God has already given mankind fair warning, just as Noah did when preparing for “the end” of his world. Jesus said his return would be “just like the days of Noah” (Matt 24:37-39)
And here we are…..

 

[Aunty Jane]

And how would you realize that your dentist of the teacher of your children are demon worshippers?
Would you ask them to complete a quiz with 20 questions on Theology?

No, my sister.
You would realize they are Satan worshippers when they do the works of Satan.

Exactly…and once it became obvious, you would withdraw from them.
They would manifest themselves soon enough…and God would see to it that they did.

This is what the Bible teaches. Doesn't it? Didn't Jesus called those who wanted to murder Him "children of Satan" because they had murderous intentions? Or did He call them that way because they leaned to the doctrines or Saducees, or Hellenists?

Any student of Bible history knows that the children of satan all have blood on their hands.
Christ’s disciples were not to be like the people of the nations, engrossed in political conflicts and being the victims of bad governmental decisions….who is the ruler of this world? (1 John 5:19) Isn’t that why we were told to be “NO PART” of that world? (John 17:16; 18:36)

If a person is truly honest, it is because that person is worshipping the One and True God, regardless of being Baptist or Zoroastrian.

An honest person will not want to fuse false gods with the only true one.
The apostle Paul told us this in no uncertain terms…
2 Cor 6:14-18…
”Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Beʹli·al? Or what does a believer share in common with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I will reside among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” 17 “‘Therefore, get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take you in.’” 18 “‘And I will become a father to you, and you will become sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah, the Almighty.”
Paul is quoting many OT scriptures to show both Jews and gentiles that there is one truth, not many that can be blended somehow……like oil and water, they will never mix, no matter how hard you try to make them one. God never did. When his people adopted false worship, he punished them. They were always kept separated from the godless nations.….but became godless themselves when they disobeyed their God.

If we are trying to make one big happy family out of all the world’s Abrahamic religions who have always been in conflict, then we have to accept that the scripture above is a lie……we were told to separate from them…not to jump into bed with them……it means that we have not been accepted as God’s sons and daughters at all.

If a person is dishonest, it is because that person is not worshiping God, regardless of being Baha'i or Jehovah Witness.

That is true…..what we want to believe is not necessarily true…..but if we are attracted to the lies taught by the devil, and accept them as “our” truth, then God knows that, and will never “draw” that person to begin with. (John 6:44; 65) It’s invitation only.….no one can come to the son without that invitation from his Father.

You seem to leave God out of things a lot…..he is in more control than you realize. He will not accept any worship contaminated by the infiltration of false ideas and concepts….nothing from outside of his scripture (there is only one book of scripture inspired by Yahweh) can be accepted as truth. Nor will the manipulation of Scripture be acceptable to the one who knows all things. Where do our beliefs originate? How well do we know the Scriptures?

The true God will be with the “few” whom he directs to the “narrow gate” that leads to a “cramped road”…..(Matt 7:13-14) one that does not allow one to veer right or left, but to remain on the straight path of truth.
There is no room on this road for “I think”….only what “God says”.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Do you or do you not claim that Jesus was a personna presented by Michael? And that afterword, Michael returned to his actual identity?

Do I misunderstand this?

Yes….you completely misunderstand what a name means in biblical terms……all Bible names have meanings….they are not like the “Christian names” that people give their children, just because they like the sound of them.
My father’s name was Edward but his second name was William….it was customary in his family to call the sons by their middle name, but it didn’t alter who they were. He was still Edward on legal documents, but “Bill“ to everyone who knew him.

The names given to Jesus did not alter who he was because he was always God’s firstborn….nothing could alter that no matter what name God gave him to identify the role he was playing in the outworking of his Father’s purpose.

There is no “persona“ named Jesus…..his name was prophesied to be Immanuel, but that is not what he was called. Gabriel told Mary that his name was to be Jesus (Yeshua) a common name in Bible times.
What is Jesus’ new name? Will it alter who he is, was, and always will be? No name change will alter his special sonship. Doctrines are getting in the way of a simple truth.

 

[Brakelite]

Could you consider me an honest man, or a kind man, and still think that I deserve to burn in hell for ever because of my wrong Theology?
How can you build a better world with other people, if 95% of God's children about you don't think like you in terms of Theology?

This goes deeper than simple theology, what we learn at Bible school, seminary, or at church. Jesus said...
KJV Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Notice that Jesus said these people were calling Him Lord. They were actually saying it to Him, Lord, Lord. Yet because of their lifestyles, even though it was ostensibly religious and good, they were lost. Why? Because Jesus said, He never knew them. I think it would be fair to say, that despite their professions of faith, they actually didn't know Him either.
The apostle John wrote:
KJV 1 John 1:3
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
Relationship. That is where the rubber meets the road. Not theology. Not belief. It's Who we know, and Who knows us.
John also wrote...
KJV 1 John 2:3-6
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

A life of true holiness and obedience, and the end, eternal life, is intrinsic to our relationship with the true Jesus. It will be devastating for many who throughout their lives thought their religion "sufficient", but to finally hear the words, "who are you? I don't know you".

 

[Brakelite]

Jesus couldn't care less.
Please, read your Bible again, and point out to our readers a single episode, a single one, in which Jesus gave such an importance to the matter, that He couldn't forgive, heal or save a person until that person provided clear evidence of knowing that He was the Son of God.

Jesus healed anyone, and delivered from demons anyone who asked. Which itself is evident of the love of God, whether He be the Son of God or not. As we are called to love even our enemies, regardless of what they think of us

 

[Spyder]

Let’s see….what does it say….?
“For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts [Yahweh] will accomplish this.” (NASB)

The issue with verse six is that Yeshua said Himself that He did not come to bring peace but a sword, and He was never called an everlasting father.

Let’s see….what does it say….?
“For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts [Yahweh] will accomplish this.” (NASB)

I cannot ignore this verse as it has specific problems. As the time the Assyrians were invading and the people of Israel were in fear, Isaiah gave a prophecy.

A king can be known as a counselor, and typically the title of god was used for those in power. Jesus was never called "eternal father." As for "prince of peace:"

Mt 10:34–36 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household."

I know it is a verse often attributed to a prophecy about Yeshua, but there are problems with that. As I doggedly desire to see truth in passages of scripture, I cannot see Isaiah chapter 9 referring to the Son of God. As the Jews say, however, it does fit King Hezekiah.

Consider this: Who is the child in Isaiah 9:5-6?

There are plenty of prophecies regarding Yeshua, but not this one.

 

[Jesusfollower]

I knew a man in my previous church, his brother was on the ruling council of a Muslim village in Sudan. One night he saw Jesus in a vision, and was converted. When he went to the council meeting the next day, every other member has seen Jesus and became Christian. Just like that!

Much love!

it is happening at an increasing rate at this time, thank you for your testiomony,

Blessings

 

[Jesusfollower]

If you search in Islamic Youtube Channels, you will find abundant testimonies of Christians who converted to Islam.
The fact that we find thousands of people seeking God converting in both directions (from Christians to Muslims and from Muslims to Christians) and see their lives transformed for good, speaks loudly on the fact that the works of the Holy Spirit go beyond the boundaries of formal religion.

converted with a gun to their head? or threaths against their lives? converted by obligation because they have no money and are sruck in a village and cannot escape?

 

[Jesusfollower]

Jesus couldn't care less.
Please, read your Bible again, and point out to our readers a single episode, a single one, in which Jesus gave such an importance to the matter, that He couldn't forgive, heal or save a person until that person provided clear evidence of knowing that He was the Son of God.

Pancho, I do not want to be rude but the scripture are closed to you. You cannot understand the Holy Bible because of the hardness of your heart, you follow a false God. Please repent. Jesus is the only way to eternal life.