"Not my God. Not my Jesus."

[Johann]

I agree, and there would be no need to pay any attention to it or be concerned with it but we should be at least basically aware of what the Koran has to say because many Muslims use what some of the Koran says about non-Muslims and how they should react to non-Muslims against everyone else, and some even murder their own if they do not follow it all literally - like Isis did.

I am familiar with the Quran and the Surahs and the diverse interpretations and the big push for Shaira laws.

Sharia (also spelled Shari'ah) is an Arabic term meaning "path" or "way." In Islamic context, it refers to the comprehensive legal and moral system derived from the Qur'an, Hadith (sayings and actions of the Prophet Muhammad), and other sources. It encompasses a wide range of laws and ethical guidelines governing both personal and communal aspects of life for Muslims.

And I concur--people should be aware of this.

 

[Jesusfollower]

On a percentage basis the non-Christian Jews of today are more loving than many Christians, and have far more humility.

I do not believe that the New Covenant is compatible with the Old Covenant.

Jesus is a Jew and so are all our teachers the apostles, (they still teach us Gentiles through the scriptures they wrote) but I do not believe that the New Covenant in Messiah's blood is compatible with the Old Covenant.

New Covenant = Christ makes us holy through faith in Him, and that holiness produces the fruit of the Spirit in those who abide in Him.

Old Covenant = obedience to the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit, and that obedience formed the basis of the Covenant God made with Israel through Moses, who was the mediator of that covenant.

That covenant was broken by the people (Jeremiah 31:31) and was proved ineffective for its purpose - not because the law itself was not holy or is not holy - but because as with us, obedience to the law could not produce holiness in anyone because like us, they could not fulfill that requirement of obedience to the law as required by the law, because they were sons of Adam and inherited the same propensity to sin that we have.

That's why God promised them a New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31).

New Covenant = Christ makes us holy through faith in Him, and that holiness produces the fruit of the Spirit in those who abide in Him.

The law is the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit - the fruit produced by the holiness of Christ that Christ imparts to the one abiding in Him.

So I do not believe that the New Covenant is compatible with the Old Covenant, but my Lord is a Jew and I'm glad.

The new covenant as defined in the bible in jeremiah is this;

The New Covenant​

Jer 31:31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,

Jer 31:32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.

Jer 31:33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

It is the same as the old covenant minus some laws of Moses that are no longer valid today. For the gentiles the commandments are to be followed, they represent the Moral law and are eternal.

 

[Zao is life]

The new covenant as defined in the bible in jeremiah is this;

The New Covenant​

Jer 31:31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,

Jer 31:32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.

Jer 31:33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

It is the same as the old covenant minus some laws of Moses that are no longer valid today. For the gentiles the commandments are to be followed, they represent the Moral law and are eternal.

That old covenant law is only a written law which is the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit that only God can put into your heart or write into your mind by making you holy, imparting Christ's own holiness.

The fruit of the Spirit is the love of Christ that fulfills the written law. Against such there is no law. If you concentrate on the written law whether all of it, or all of it minus some of it and seek to obey it then God is not writing the law on your heart and putting it into your mind - you are.

 

[Zao is life]

I am familiar with the Quran and the Surahs and the diverse interpretations and the big push for Shaira laws.

Sharia (also spelled Shari'ah) is an Arabic term meaning "path" or "way." In Islamic context, it refers to the comprehensive legal and moral system derived from the Qur'an, Hadith (sayings and actions of the Prophet Muhammad), and other sources. It encompasses a wide range of laws and ethical guidelines governing both personal and communal aspects of life for Muslims.

And I concur--people should be aware of this.

I think most Christians are aware of it by now and a whole lot of non-Christians besides.

 

[Jesusfollower]

That old covenant law is only a written law which is the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit that only God can put into your heart or write into your mind by making you holy, imparting Christ's own holiness.

The fruit of the Spirit is the love of Christ that fulfills the written law. Against such there is no law. If you concentrate on the written law whether all of it, or all of it minus some of it and seek to obey it then God is not writing the law on your heart and putting it into your mind - you are.

the true believers follow the moral laws (10 commandments) and they know them well. Unfortunately many refuse to follow them doing what they please, they are obstinate and do not want to change, they have replaced proper doctrine by a false one and do not Follow Jesus. these unbelievers who profess Christ But do not follow Him are not under the new covenant as they refuse it and will not Obey God's commandments.

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’

Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

 

[Matthias]

“Not my God. Not my Jesus.” Accept no substitutes.

Can you imagine Paul, after having seen the idols of the Greeks in Athens (Acts 17:16) and after having rebuked those in Corinth who would accept “another Jesus” (2 Corinthians 11:4) ever thinking such a thing as “Not my God. Not my Jesus”?

 

[lforrest]

“Not my God. Not my Jesus.” Accept no substitutes.

Can you imagine Paul, after having seen the idols of the Greeks in Athens (Acts 17:16) and after having rebuked those in Corinth who would accept “another Jesus” (2 Corinthians 11:4) ever thinking such a thing as “Not my God. Not my Jesus”?

He was diplomatic about it, but still did not consider any of the the gods of the Pantheon to be God Almighty. Nether did he delay in saying God Almighty gives everyone everything, defying their beliefs. The gods were believed to have different responsibilities.

 

[Matthias]

“Not my God. Not my Jesus.” Accept no substitutes.

Can you imagine Paul, after having seen the idols of the Greeks in Athens (Acts 17:16) and after having rebuked those in Corinth who would accept “another Jesus” (2 Corinthians 11:4) ever thinking such a thing as “Not my God. Not my Jesus”?

Easily.

 

[theJW]

I'm wondering how much aware you are of the teachings of Christianity and Jehovah's Witnesses.

As a Christian I believe that God is at the same time the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, being trinitarian. I can show this in Scripture very plainly, only, you have to be willing to accept the statements made in their own right.

The Jehovah's Witness will deny the very nature of the God I believe in, as they disbelieve in a God Who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They believe in God who had created an angelic being who then came to earth to portray "Jesus, the Son of God", and then offered himself on the cross, then returned to heaven, returning to his original angelic identity. They don't even believe Jesus is a real person in His Own right.

So to say that those who believe Jesus is Himself the Creator God, which is a very orthodox belief in Christianity, worship the same God as those who deny that there was actually a Jesus at all, aside from a person being portrayed temporarily by an angel, no, I don't think that these can be reconciled.

That the JW and the Muslim agree in their denial of the Sonship of Jesus, that Jesus is in fact the Creator God, what should that tell you? It seems you would like to suggest that I drop my belief in Jesus according to the Bible, and adopt the view of those who deny Him, to join the others.

There is only one true God, and all others are false. So it stands to reason that the false religions will agree with each other, while the sole true faith will be different.

Much love!

RIGHT! We don't believe in 3 Gods.

 

[Matthias]

A Baptist has different views of the Bible than a Catholic.
Would you then say that the God that the Baptist prays to, is not the God that the Catholic prays to?

The God I’m interested in discussing isn’t the God whom Baptists and Catholics pray to. The God I’m interested in discussing is the God whom Jesus prays to.

 

[Behold]

As a starting point, my thesis is that Allah is the same God worshipped by Jews and Christians

Here is the real "story" of ""Allah""

"ALLAH", is one of 360 obo Godz, that were worshiped at one time by the Bedouin Tribes in the Middle East.

It was decided that they would choose ONE God, out of the 360.
This was the same Tribe who chose Muhammed to be the : "Prophet".
So, they choose their "moon" God......and Allah is this one.......He is their "MOON God".

So, if you look at the Islamic Flag, you'll note that on it is theit MOON God "Allah"..

Here it is.. and notice the Muslim who is kneeling before ALLAH their Moon God.

So, if anyone teaches otherwise, then they are not telling you the truth.
THere is a lot of that found on this Fourm......unfortunately.
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