Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

[ewq1938]

The "first resurrection" in Revelation 20 is not a reference to Christ, but to "the dead in Christ RISE FIRST".

1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


The dead in Christ "rise first" is linguistically related to "the first resurrection". Both are speaking of the same event.


first/G4413 resurrection/G386 is "protos anastasis"
Rise/G450 first/G4412 is "anistemi proton"

Proton and protos are related words that both mean "first". Proton is the neuter of the word protos. They are synonyms and are directly related words.

Anastasis was created from it's root word, anistemi. They are synonyms and are directly related words.

There are not two stages of the first resurrection ie: those who shall rise first. All the dead in Christ will rise at the same exact time. Revelation 20 simply focuses on one group like if there were a million people in a dark room and you shined a flashlight at a group of around a thousand. The others are still there, the light just isn't being shown on them at that time.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

All the dead in Christ will resurrect at the same time. Revelation 20 is only shining a light on one specific group but everyone is actually resurrecting at the same time the beheaded saints are.

 

[David in NJ]

The "first resurrection" in Revelation 20 is not a reference to Christ, but to "the dead in Christ RISE FIRST".

1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


The dead in Christ "rise first" is linguistically related to "the first resurrection". Both are speaking of the same event.


first/G4413 resurrection/G386 is "protos anastasis"
Rise/G450 first/G4412 is "anistemi proton"

Proton and protos are related words that both mean "first". Proton is the neuter of the word protos. They are synonyms and are directly related words.

Anastasis was created from it's root word, anistemi. They are synonyms and are directly related words.

There are not two stages of the first resurrection ie: those who shall rise first. All the dead in Christ will rise at the same exact time. Revelation 20 simply focuses on one group like if there were a million people in a dark room and you shined a flashlight at a group of around a thousand. The others are still there, the light just isn't being shown on them at that time.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

All the dead in Christ will resurrect at the same time. Revelation 20 is only shining a light on one specific group but everyone is actually resurrecting at the same time the beheaded saints are.

Question of the DAY

Why did the LORD only specify those who were beheaded in Revelation ch20?

 

[rwb]

You keep on repeating this mantra: "You are so concerned about the physical............"

Heaven to earth @rwb = God is concerned also about His physical creation from Genesis.

You are living in the flesh, not in the Spirit! Because you are consumed with the physical! Which is why you don't seem to know that Christ has come in His Kingdom! It is not a Kingdom of flesh & blood, for flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God. This truth doesn't seem to matter to you, because you will not believe what you cannot physically see.

In the ages of Old before the advent of Christ coming to earth a man, God chose a physical people to show forth His glory unto mankind! That didn't work out so well, because the physical people of God instead chose to keep their knowledge of God to themselves, deeming themselves alone worthy of His favor.

That all changed with the advent of Christ! Because He came not to build a physical Kingdom of God upon THIS earth, but rather to build a spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven. God is in Christ taking man of flesh and blood, giving them a new heart, and putting His Spirit in them. Not so they can live forever on this physical earth, but so that they can live forever with Him in the Kingdom of God that is NOW in this age the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven. Once again, when this age of time has come to an end, then God shall once again have a physical, albeit immortal & incorruptible people for His own, that have come to Him, not through flesh & blood, but through Christ' Spirit in them.

God is so CONCERNED about His physical creation that HE placed us here in it with a physical body.

If God is so concerned with His physical creation, why will this earth and every living thing upon it be utterly burned up by fire that shall come down from God out of heaven?

2 Peter 3:10 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

1 John 2:15 (KJV) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

How STRANGE of a SPIRITUAL BEING so concerned with physical needs!!!

God shall not utterly destroy this earth that is the habitation of His people until the spiritual Kingdom of God is heaven is complete. That's the only reason that God allows evil mankind to continue to use and abuse His glorious creation. Why do you think God tells us not to love this world, neither the things in the world? Because all that our physical eyes behold will not last! It is not God that is so concerned with physical needs, for He has promised us that if we trust in Him all of our physical needs shall be provided. NO, it is the millennialists who are so consumed with this physical world and lust for that which we can physically see that you cannot know that Christ is NOW building the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven, and when the Kingdom of God is complete, the last Gentile to be saved has come in, this earth and every physical thing alive on it will be utterly destroyed to make way for a new heaven and new earth wherein righteousness only shall dwell with Christ forever.

 

[rwb]

Question of the DAY

Why did the LORD only specify those who were beheaded in Revelation ch20?

Because through much persecution they kept the faith unto physical death! They gave their physical lives to Christ in faith as they lived and reigned with Him during this TIME, symbolized a thousand years before they were martyred for their faith. They are singled out, but all who keep the faith in Christ to the end of their mortal lives shall also reign with Christ during this time, symbolized a thousand years. They aren't with the martyred saints of Christ, but they shall be saved according to grace through faith nonetheless. Because they too are called blessed and holy, have overcome the second death and have part in the first resurrection through Christ.

 

[WPM]

The "first resurrection" in Revelation 20 is not a reference to Christ, but to "the dead in Christ RISE FIRST".

1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


The dead in Christ "rise first" is linguistically related to "the first resurrection". Both are speaking of the same event.


first/G4413 resurrection/G386 is "protos anastasis"
Rise/G450 first/G4412 is "anistemi proton"

Proton and protos are related words that both mean "first". Proton is the neuter of the word protos. They are synonyms and are directly related words.

Anastasis was created from it's root word, anistemi. They are synonyms and are directly related words.

There are not two stages of the first resurrection ie: those who shall rise first. All the dead in Christ will rise at the same exact time. Revelation 20 simply focuses on one group like if there were a million people in a dark room and you shined a flashlight at a group of around a thousand. The others are still there, the light just isn't being shown on them at that time.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

All the dead in Christ will resurrect at the same time. Revelation 20 is only shining a light on one specific group but everyone is actually resurrecting at the same time the beheaded saints are.

1 Thess 4 does not say the resurrection of the dead in Christ is the first resurrection, Christ's resurrection was before that. Hello! Premils highlight the statement “the dead in Christ shall rise first” as proof that “the first resurrection” occurs at the second coming. The only problem is: there is another group here outside of “the dead in Christ” who Premils insist are actually participants in “the first resurrection” that are not included in “the dead in Christ” and who are actually raised second – those “which are alive and remain.” The very usage of “first” is used to simply distinguish between the raising of the dead in Christ at the second coming and the raising of the live in Christ, not between the resurrection of the righteous when Jesus comes and the raising of the wicked 1,000 years+ after Jesus comes. Premil is faced with a major conundrum here: those “which are alive and remain” when Jesus comes are excluded from the Premil “first resurrection” and therefore the only expressed means of victory over “the second death.”

Bryan Hodge asks: “Does this not imply two resurrections? No, it does not. Such is not the context. The context does not concern those “in Christ” and those “outside of Christ.” It concerns “the dead in Christ” and those “who are alive and remain” when Christ comes (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). The righteous (dead and alive) are in view. The unrighteous are not under consideration in this context. How Many Resurrection Days?” (or Weep Not as Those Who Have No Hope).

What they need to see is: there are two parties here. The "first" are "the dead in Christ" alone! The second are the 'live in Christ' alone! The word "first" is simply to show order at the general resurrection. The dead rise first and the “live” rise second. 1 Thessalonians 4 is simply showing order.

The Premil "first resurrection" totally excludes all "the future millennial believers." After all, if the first resurrection is supposed to be the physical resurrection of believers at the Second Advent, and this is consequently the actual means by which one escapes the second death (eternal wrath), how can people be saved (and consequently avoid the second death) in a supposed future millennium?

 

[ewq1938]

Question of the DAY

Why did the LORD only specify those who were beheaded in Revelation ch20?

Because it follows the events of the GT where those people died. It's basically context. It wouldn't be contextual to bring up Christians that had died in past generations but other scripture does include them, like the phrase "the dead in Christ rise first". That would be everyone.

 

[Davidpt]

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

All the dead in Christ will resurrect at the same time. Revelation 20 is only shining a light on one specific group but everyone is actually resurrecting at the same time the beheaded saints are.

To add to what you said here, we also know it is including OT saints, such as Daniel, based on the following in Daniel 12, for one. Maybe some of it you will agree with, maybe some of it you won't.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

What is recorded in verse 1 is also recorded in Matthew 24:21. And according to verse 2 in Daniel 12 a resurrection event is at the end of these things. Clearly, 1Th 4:16 that you submitted is also involving a resurrection event. A different resurrection event than what Daniel 12:2 is involving? Or the same resurrection event what Daniel 12:2 is involving? The latter, obviously.

Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.


Clearly, what 1Th 4:16 is involving is meaning at the end of the days, the same end of days Daniel 12:13 are pertaining to, where I take to mean the days recorded in Daniel 12:7-12, where I take to mean that verse 12 is meaning when verse 13 is meaning. It is meaning this---at the end of the days. IOW, day 1335 is meaning the final day of this present age and that it comes at the end of the days verses 7-11 are ivolving in Daniel 12, where those verses are also involving what verse 1 is involving in Daniel 12, where that is also involving what verses 15-21 are involving in Matthew 24. All IMO, of course.

The question then is, how can it be meaning at the end of the days if Premil has more days that follow, meaning the thousand years? Simple. It's called sticking to context. The days meant in verse 13 that have an end are pertaining to the days involving verses 7-12. During the thousand years that follow, these days pertaining to verses 7-12 would be in the past, therefore, not paralleling the thousand years that follow, nor following the thousand years that follow. IOW, we are in a different era altogether as of the beginning of the thousand years. An era where satan has no influence over one single person at the time. He will be literally held captive in a pit for the duration of the thousand years, as if he no longer exists, but only meaning during the thousand years. Clearly, during the thousand years he obviously still exists, except it will be involving an era of time as if satan no longer exists.

 

[ewq1938]

The question then is, how can it be meaning at the end of the days if Premil has more days that follow, meaning the thousand years? Simple. It's called sticking to context. The days meant in verse 13 that have an end are pertaining to the days involving verses 7-12. During the thousand years that follow, these days pertaining to verses 7-12 would be in the past, therefore, not paralleling the thousand years that follow, nor following the thousand years that follow.

The last days were said to have existed back when Hebrews was written so it's not a term that always refers to the very end days of humanity and this current world.

Heb_1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

 

[Davidpt]

The last days were said to have existed back when Hebrews was written so it's not a term that always refers to the very end days of humanity and this current world.

Heb_1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

I view the last days of an era of time that began with the first advent, and that we are still in these same last days even now, and likely continue to be in them throughout the millennium that follows, and satan's little season that follows that, and the great white throne that follows that, though there is a last day of this age that has to take place before the next era of time can begin. Viewing it like this, IMO, does not contradict how Premils tend to interpret Isaiah 2:4 by applying that to the millennium that follows the 2nd coming, keeping in mind Isaiah 2 informs us verse 4 in that chapter is involving the last days.

 

[David in NJ]

Because it follows the events of the GT where those people died. It's basically context. It wouldn't be contextual to bring up Christians that had died in past generations but other scripture does include them, like the phrase "the dead in Christ rise first". That would be everyone.

This is true

From the FATHERS POV is the same as what JESUS said about John the Baptist
John the B was the greatest OT prophet yet he did no miracles!!!
What made him the greatest then?
He was the only OT prophet to be in the DAY of Messiah in declaring HIM as "the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world."

Likewise, the Martyrs of Revelation are the LAST group of Martyrs who Face the Antichrist and His Mark.
No GREATER resistance to sin then resisting the Mark of the Beast (other then the LJC)
REPEAT: No GREATER resistance to sin then resisting the Mark of the Beast.

The MoB is Blaspheming the Holy Spirit which is why once a person ACCEPTS the MoB there is No Turning Back - No Forgiveness.

Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

12Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

13Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”

Furthermore, "the Last shall be First and the First shall be Last"

 

[ewq1938]

This is true

Rev 20 also picks up from the 5th seal where a group of martyrs would be killed in the future as their fellow brethren had been. Naturally scripture would focus upon this already mentioned group.

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

 

[David in NJ]

Rev 20 also picks up from the 5th seal where a group of martyrs would be killed in the future as their fellow brethren had been. Naturally scripture would focus upon this already mentioned group.

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

This also is accurate and precise.

Rev 20:4 is the FATHER's Wisdom in selecting a sample group that BEST reflects His Heart.

God's Heart is that we become Overcomers against the powers of darkness that Rises in Greatest Power as shown in Rev ch12.
God is using 'compare and contrast' in Revelation and choosing the group of saints who best demonstrate the Faith necessary
to overcome the Greatest Temptation from the Greatest Evil = this is why it is called the Great Tribulation.

Rev 3:21 - To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

There is no greater overcoming then that which is contained in Revelation and by the LORD in the Gospel.

Rev 12:11-12
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony,
and they did not love their lives to the death.
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

Those who are beheaded for refusing the MoB are the most worthy to be mentioned as the Representatives of the First Resurrection.

COMPARE and CONTRAST by the FATHER
Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’

 

[WPM]

Viewing it like this, IMO, does not contradict how Premils tend to interpret Isaiah 2:4 by applying that to the millennium that follows the 2nd coming, keeping in mind Isaiah 2 informs us verse 4 in that chapter is involving the last days.

Lol. Of course not! To assume a consistent hermeneutics would force you to admit the duplicity of Premil.

 

[WPM]

This also is accurate and precise.

Rev 20:4 is the FATHER's Wisdom in selecting a sample group that BEST reflects His Heart.

God's Heart is that we become Overcomers against the powers of darkness that Rises in Greatest Power as shown in Rev ch12.
God is using 'compare and contrast' in Revelation and choosing the group of saints who best demonstrate the Faith necessary
to overcome the Greatest Temptation from the Greatest Evil = this is why it is called the Great Tribulation.

Rev 3:21 - To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

There is no greater overcoming then that which is contained in Revelation and by the LORD in the Gospel.

Rev 12:11-12
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony,
and they did not love their lives to the death.
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

Those who are beheaded for refusing the MoB are the most worthy to be mentioned as the Representatives of the First Resurrection.

COMPARE and CONTRAST by the FATHER
Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’

Christ was the first resurrection. There are not 2 first resurrections.

 

[David in NJ]

Christ was the first resurrection. There are not 2 first resurrections.

So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days. Now Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two miles away. And many of the Jews had joined the women around Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.

Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house.
Now Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.
But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.”

Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

CHRIST is the First Resurrection
CHRIST is the Firstfruits
CHRIST is the FIRST and the LAST

There is only one First Resurrection and it RESIDES in the LORD Jesus Christ.

Pay attention to the word 'in'

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[Davidpt]

Lol. Of course not! To assume a consistent hermeneutics would force you to admit the duplicity of Premil.

I don't think it's reasonable that there can be 2 different sets of last days like you think there is. Unless you have changed your view on this lately but that I'm not aware you did.

What in the world am I talking about, right? I'll tell you what I'm talking about. In the OT in Isaiah 2 and then in Ezekiel 38 it mentions last days. I have seen you argue that the last days involving Ezekiel 38 are not the same last days involving Isaiah 2. That the former was fulfilled ages ago way before Christ was born, but the latter is meaning from the first advent up until the 2nd advent.

Seriously, I have no issue with you criticizing my hermeneutics by implying I'm not being consistent here by viewing the last days like I propose. Maybe you are even right about that, I don't know. But the point is this, thus why I brought up Isaiah 2 and Ezekiel 38. If you are going to be critical of my hermeneutics for the reasons you mentioned, you need to first make sure you have room to talk. And IMO, and I'm not trying to get even with you here or anything, but anyone that views the last days recorded in Isaiah 2 and the last days recorded in Ezekiel 38, in the manner you do, is a perfect example of what you are applying to me, hermeneutics that are not being consistent.

Even if I'm wrong to view Isaiah 2:4 the way I proposing, at least I'm not proposing that there are 2 different sets of last days like you are. My view would be something like this. The last days began with the first advent and that we are still in these last days right now. And that the last day of the last days begin when Christ returns and that it involves an era of time, not a 24 hour day like Amils would have us believe. The last day of the last days would be involving the millennium, for one, since it would be meaning once Christ returns.

2 Peter 3:8 ¶But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day

 

[WPM]

I don't think it's reasonable that there can be 2 different sets of last days like you think there is. Unless you have changed your view on this lately but that I'm not aware you did.

What in the world am I talking about, right? I'll tell you what I'm talking about. In the OT in Isaiah 2 and then in Ezekiel 38 it mentions last days. I have seen you argue that the last days involving Ezekiel 38 are not the same last days involving Isaiah 2. That the former was fulfilled ages ago way before Christ was born, but the latter is meaning from the first advent up until the 2nd advent.

Seriously, I have no issue with you criticizing my hermeneutics by implying I'm not being consistent here by viewing the last days like I propose. Maybe you are even right about that, I don't know. But the point is this, thus why I brought up Isaiah 2 and Ezekiel 38. If you are going to be critical of my hermeneutics for the reasons you mentioned, you need to first make sure you have room to talk. And IMO, and I'm not trying to get even with you here or anything, but anyone that views the last days recorded in Isaiah 2 and the last days recorded in Ezekiel 38, in the manner you do, is a perfect example of what you are applying to me, hermeneutics that are not being consistent.

Even if I'm wrong to view Isaiah 2:4 the way I proposing, at least I'm not proposing that there are 2 different sets of last days like you are. My view would be something like this. The last days began with the first advent and that we are still in these last days right now. And that the last day of the last days begin when Christ returns and that it involves an era of time, not a 24 hour day like Amils would have us believe. The last day of the last days would be involving the millennium, for one, since it would be meaning once Christ returns.

2 Peter 3:8 ¶But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day

What do you mean if you're wrong? You are wrong on Isaiah 2. You have "the last days" (plural) that are happening now that culminate in "the last day" (singular) and then you invent your own you "last days" after the second coming to support your mistaken idea of a future millennium. That is absurd and ridiculous.

 

[WPM]

So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days. Now Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two miles away. And many of the Jews had joined the women around Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.

Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house.
Now Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.
But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.”

Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

CHRIST is the First Resurrection
CHRIST is the Firstfruits
CHRIST is the FIRST and the LAST

There is only one First Resurrection and it RESIDES in the LORD Jesus Christ.

Pay attention to the word 'in'

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.

But, in order to be qualified to be part of "the resurrection of the just" one needs to be first resurrected from one's spiritual grave "in Christ." So, spiritual resurrection precedes physical resurrection. We are currently "in Christ."

 

[David in NJ]

But, in order to be qualified to be part of "the resurrection of the just" one needs to be first resurrected from one's spiritual grave "in Christ." So, spiritual resurrection precedes physical resurrection. We are currently "in Christ."

ABSOLUETLY 100% TRUTH

Except Christ was not our spiritual grave for He is our spiritual resurrection.

We were in the spiritual grave of our own sins.

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Well of course not.

Question: Who is forcing what , when and where?

I suggested that @Spiritual Israel was forcing 1 Corinthians 15:20 onto Revelation 20:5 to imply that John was talking about the "how" of the first resurrection rather than the "who" of the first resurrection.

This is the topic question: Does the Revelation 20:5 passage aim to specify the basis for the first resurrection—which we all agree is the death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ—or does it focus on who will be resurrected?

The A-millennial interpretation of Revelation 20:5 suggests that John is indicating that anyone who participates in the resurrection of Jesus, which is considered the first resurrection, will not experience the second death. In contrast, the Pre-millennial interpretation of Revelation 20:5 interprets John's message as referring to those who are part of the first group of humanity to be resurrected, indicating they too will not suffer the second death.

To summarize:
Possible meanings of "first resurrection."

1. The resurrection of Jesus Christ.
2. The group of people who are raised first.

Why does this matter? Would Premillennialism deny that the first group was raised because of Jesus Christ's resurrection? No, they would agree that Jesus Christ is the basis on which the first group is saved. Nevertheless, how we decide what John is actually saying depends on the context of the passage. In my view, we must allow John to define what he means by "first resurrection", which he does. And he isn't talking about the resurrection of Jesus Christ as such, he is talking about the subset of humanity who are first raised, specifically, those who have remained faithful to Jesus Christ.


I believe the pre-mil interpretation because I allow John to define what he means by "first resurrection" in the context of the passage.