Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

[Stewardofthemystery]

#1 - no one can be SAVED except by JESUS Alone = Yes or No

That is not the point. The point is you and others are trying to change the meaning of “the first resurrection” as defined in Revelation 20:5-6
You are not going to find the saying “JESUS Alone is the First Resurrection” in scripture. That is why I said stick to the way it is written and defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

We're not conflating anything, Straw Man King. The Greek words "protos" (first) and "anastasis" (resurrection) are used together in only one other verse in scripture besides in Revelation 20.

Rev 20:5-6 is the first resurrection as defined by the words of God, and is of many (plural) and is yet future.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first (protos) that should rise (anastasis) from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

This verse is about Jesus Christ ( singular) being raised from the dead, and this event is past. So yes, Amils are trying to conflate the 2 separate events as one that is past.

2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

[David in NJ]

A thousand years to do what?

The coming of the Lord is swift , quick, sudden, like lightening from east to west, like a thief.

For the elect we are glorified in a twinkling of eye. That's quick.

When he appears we shall be like him, as we shall see him as he is in the glory of his Father, having a body like his glorious body.

For the ungodly on that same day...,

2thess 1
5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering.
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire,
8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].
9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day


Equally as quick

A thousand years to do what?

Good Morning,

GREAT Question

Dear Brothers in Christ, please Open your hearts to the Truth of the FATHER for us.

His Truth is Pure, Kind, Simple and made for Children to understand and have Joy and Freedom in, without reproach.

The Lord established from the Beginning for man to Walk with God for 1,000 Years on Earth.

That which satan interfered with, the FATHER sent His Son to TAKE BACK for us.

When CHRIST Returns, the Redeemed One New Man will take Full Authority in Christ over His Creation.

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame
and sat down with My Father on His throne.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’

 

[David in NJ]

That is not the point. The point is you and others are trying to change the meaning of “the first resurrection” as defined in Revelation 20:5-6

You are not going to find the saying “JESUS Alone is the First Resurrection” in scripture. That is why I said stick to the way it is written and defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

Part 1

JESUS Alone is the FIRST Resurrection AND this includes EVERYONE who is in CHRIST

JESUS Alone is the FIRST Resurrection AND this includes EVERYONE who is in CHRIST

JESUS Alone is the FIRST Resurrection AND this includes EVERYONE who is in CHRIST​

 

[David in NJ]

That is not the point. The point is you and others are trying to change the meaning of “the first resurrection” as defined in Revelation 20:5-6

You are not going to find the saying “JESUS Alone is the First Resurrection” in scripture. That is why I said stick to the way it is written and defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

Part 2

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
​

 

[David in NJ]

That is not the point. The point is you and others are trying to change the meaning of “the first resurrection” as defined in Revelation 20:5-6

You are not going to find the saying “JESUS Alone is the First Resurrection” in scripture. That is why I said stick to the way it is written and defined in Rev. 20:5-6.

Part 3

each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s
at His coming.​

 

[David in NJ]

I understand your point. The metaphor of the first fruits, indicating the first of the harvest, depicts Jesus' resurrection as the first of many resurrections that will follow, specifically the resurrections of his followers.

Contrary to @Spiritual Israelite's view, this does not depict our participation in the first resurrection, it depicts our participation in the harvest of souls, of which Jesus is the first.

Contrary to @Spiritual Israelite's view, this does not depict our participation in the first resurrection, it depicts our participation in the harvest of souls, of which Jesus is the first.

It includes BOTH
It ABSOLUTELY does INCLUDE our participation in the First Resurrection which is JESUS CHRIST.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,​

 

[rwb]

His Second Coming will last for 1,000 YEARS

At His Coming He will destroy many Beast nations with His angels and flames of fire.

HE will not destroy everyone = Matt ch24 and Zech ch14 and Revelation

Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ,
and He shall reign forever and ever!”

When Christ comes again it will be FOREVER! At that time all of humanity shall either be with Him forever or shall be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death. Only those locked in the physical realm of this world imagine the Second Coming of Christ will usher in another ONE thousand years of more time, ignoring the fact that at His coming again the whole physical earth and every living thing on it shall be consumed by the fire that shall come down from God out of heaven.

 

[rwb]

Good Morning,

GREAT Question

Dear Brothers in Christ, please Open your hearts to the Truth of the FATHER for us.

His Truth is Pure, Kind, Simple and made for Children to understand and have Joy and Freedom in, without reproach.

The Lord established from the Beginning for man to Walk with God for 1,000 Years on Earth.

That which satan interfered with, the FATHER sent His Son to TAKE BACK for us.

When CHRIST Returns, the Redeemed One New Man will take Full Authority in Christ over His Creation.

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame
and sat down with My Father on His throne.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’

The plan that God would redeem a people for Himself was ordained in the heavenly realm from BEFORE creation. That's why we read that Christ is the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world. You appear to believe Satan was able to foil God's plan to save His people, so He had to enact plan B to get it done?

The Lord from the beginning, knowing that man, even those ordained unto eternal life would fall into sin, and bring death into creation, through the Godhead made a Covenant with mankind, where the Father would send His only Son through the power of the Holy Spirit to save whosoever shall believe. His plan for whosoever shall be saved is that they would walk with God FOREVER. Not for only one thousand years on this earth. You have acknowledged this already when you said since the first advent of Christ there has been about two thousand years, and that doesn't even count the centuries of faithful saints who lived and died in faith before Christ came to earth a man.

You're so consumed with the physical realm and finding physical fulfillment, where God is consumed with building His spiritual realm ordaining that whosoever believes on Him shall be spiritually alive forever. Then when this age of time, symbolized a thousand years has ended, all who believe shall physically be with the Lord clothed with immortal & incorruptible bodies as we were created in the beginning, raised up for all eternity to be with Christ on the new earth forever.

 

[David in NJ]

When Christ comes again it will be FOREVER! At that time all of humanity shall either be with Him forever or shall be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death. Only those locked in the physical realm of this world imagine the Second Coming of Christ will usher in another ONE thousand years of more time, ignoring the fact that at His coming again the whole physical earth and every living thing on it shall be consumed by the fire that shall come down from God out of heaven.

Second Death Judgment is reserved for AFTER the 1,000 Years = Revelation 2:11 and Rev chapter 20

 

[rwb]

Second Death Judgment is reserved for AFTER the 1,000 Years = Revelation 2:11 and Rev chapter 20

What's your point? Has anyone written the second death will come before the thousand years expire?

 

[David in NJ]

The plan that God would redeem a people for Himself was ordained in the heavenly realm from BEFORE creation. That's why we read that Christ is the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world. You appear to believe Satan was able to foil God's plan to save His people, so He had to enact plan B to get it done?

The Lord from the beginning, knowing that man, even those ordained unto eternal life would fall into sin, and bring death into creation, through the Godhead made a Covenant with mankind, where the Father would send His only Son through the power of the Holy Spirit to save whosoever shall believe. His plan for whosoever shall be saved is that they would walk with God FOREVER. Not for only one thousand years on this earth. You have acknowledged this already when you said since the first advent of Christ there has been about two thousand years, and that doesn't even count the centuries of faithful saints who lived and died in faith before Christ came to earth a man.

You're so consumed with the physical realm and finding physical fulfillment, where God is consumed with building His spiritual realm ordaining that whosoever believes on Him shall be spiritually alive forever. Then when this age of time, symbolized a thousand years has ended, all who believe shall physically be with the Lord clothed with immortal & incorruptible bodies as we were created in the beginning, raised up for all eternity to be with Christ on the new earth forever.

You appear to believe Satan was able to foil God's plan to save His people, so He had to enact plan B to get it done?

NOPE, that is your appearance, not mine.

The plan that God would redeem a people for Himself was ordained in the heavenly realm from BEFORE creation.

Absolutely TRUE

The Lord from the beginning, knowing that man, even those ordained unto eternal life would fall into sin, and bring death into creation, through the Godhead made a Covenant with mankind, where the Father would send His only Son through the power of the Holy Spirit to save whosoever shall believe.

Absolutely True and His Plan 'A' is in Genesis chapters 1 thru 3

His plan for whosoever shall be saved is that they would walk with God FOREVER.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE and i NEVER said otherwise
You are confused about the 1,000 Year Reign because amil doctrine say it is only spiritual which denies God's words in Genesis & Revelation.

Then when this age of time, symbolized a thousand years has ended,

Unbiblical and not found in Scripture

Saying it a 1,000 times never will make it true!!!

all who believe shall physically be with the Lord clothed with immortal & incorruptible bodies as we were created in the beginning

Adam was NOT created with a immortal body which can only be GIVEN by God thru JESUS CHRIST

the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Rev 20:5-6 is the first resurrection as defined by the words of God, and is of many (plural) and is yet future.

This verse is about Jesus Christ ( singular) being raised from the dead, and this event is past.

That event is past and people having part in His resurrection, the first resurrection, is not past, but has been ongoing since then and will continue until His future second coming.

Does Acts 26:23 say that He was the first to be raised from the dead? Yes or no?

So yes, Amils are trying to conflate the 2 separate events as one that is past.

2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Hello, Straw Man King Supreme, we do NOT say that the resurrection of the dead in Christ is past already, so stop slandering our view. You are doing that purposely, which is deceptive and evil. Why do you want to be evil? Do you get enjoyment out of that?

Does Acts 26:23 not say that Jesus Christ was the first to rise from the dead? It does. But, you want to sweep that under the rug and you want there to be two first resurrections instead of one. Having part in the first resurrection means to have part in Christ's resurrection, which we all do spiritually when we are born again/saved.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

 

[David in NJ]

What's your point? Has anyone written the second death will come before the thousand years expire?

What's your point?

God's POINT = JESUS only Speaks TRUTH

Has anyone written the second death will come before the thousand years expire?

No - so NEVER assume it will.

Rev 2:11
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”

Rev 20:4-6
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Rev 20:7 - Now when the thousand years have expired,

Rev 20:11-15
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.
And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God's POINT = JESUS only Speaks TRUTH


No - so NEVER assume it will.

Rev 2:11
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”

Rev 20:4-6
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Who overcomes and at what point can it be said that they "shall not be hurt by the second death"? Look at verse 6 carefully. It says the second death has no power over those who have part in the first resurrection. Does someone need to be bodily resurrected from the dead in order to not be hurt by the second death and in order for the second death to not have power over them? Or can it be said that right now the second death has no power over those who belong to Christ, including the souls of the dead in Christ that John saw?

 

[CadyandZoe]

It includes BOTH
It ABSOLUTELY does INCLUDE our participation in the First Resurrection which is JESUS CHRIST.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,​

Again, Even though what you said is true, the metaphor of the first fruits isn't making that point. We shouldn't force a passage to say more than it intends to say.

 

[CadyandZoe]

When Christ comes again it will be FOREVER! At that time all of humanity shall either be with Him forever or shall be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death. Only those locked in the physical realm of this world imagine the Second Coming of Christ will usher in another ONE thousand years of more time, ignoring the fact that at His coming again the whole physical earth and every living thing on it shall be consumed by the fire that shall come down from God out of heaven.

What does this mean?

5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.

Who are the rest of the dead? Doesn't it indicate that there will be another group that will be raised later?

 

[rwb]

You are confused about the 1,000 Year Reign because amil doctrine say it is only spiritual which denies God's words in Genesis & Revelation.

The resurrection of Christ was both His spirit returning to the Father, and His physical resurrection from the grave.

Luke 23:46 (KJV) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Matthew 20:19 (KJV) And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

According to the words of Scripture after our life in this age has ended, our spirit too will return to the Father spiritually alive through Christ's Spirit in us. He will not leave us before we are physically changed to immortality. Then when this age is finished, when the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, then believers too, like Christ, shall be bodily raised either from the grave or from this earth immortal & incorruptible. Once again whole to live with Christ forevermore on the new earth. Millennialists only imagine a period of one thousand more years of time after Christ comes again because they have no understanding of the Kingdom of God that is being built as the Gospel of Christ is proclaimed unto all the earth. Because millennials are fixated on the physical realm, they do not know of the spiritual realm being built in this age, the Kingdom of God in heaven is spiritual.

Ephesians 1:12-14 (KJV) That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Since the focus of millennialists is on the physical realm, it is the only realm they know of, and that which they cannot see with physical sight they refuse to believe. You're like doubting Thomas who refused to believe without physically seeing.

John 4:48 (KJV) Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 20:25 (KJV) The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

Matthew 16:17 (KJV) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

It is millennialists that deny or contradict the Word of God, why? Perhaps that is a question for your hearts, because it is evident that you will NEVER believe that which can only be spiritually known!

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Adam was NOT created with a immortal body which can only be GIVEN by God thru JESUS CHRIST

Who said Adam was created with an immortal body? He was however created with a body that God proclaimed to be "good". It wasn't until AFTER Adam & Eve disobeyed God and listened to the voice of the serpent that sin and death through sin entered into creation. Once the physical body of Adam came under the dominion of the serpent (Satan) it became necessary that mankind MUST be born again, not of natural birth, but spiritually, through the supernatural work of Christ in us.

When man has been born again, they HAVE, not shall have, ETERNAL life through the Spirit within. That is why Christ tells us that whoever lives and believes in Him shall NEVER DIE. Our body that as you point out is not immortal, and destined to die, but our spirit, through the Spirit of Christ in us is alive forever. That's why John writes that he saw the souls (life) of saints who had physically died for keeping the faith in Christ. John did not see physical bodies that had been resurrected to life again, how could he? Since their body had expired and will not be resurrected again until the hour that is coming, when the last trumpet sounds, and time given this earth whereby man MUST be saved shall be no longer.

 

[David in NJ]

The resurrection of Christ was both His spirit returning to the Father, and His physical resurrection from the grave.

Luke 23:46 (KJV) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Matthew 20:19 (KJV) And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

According to the words of Scripture after our life in this age has ended, our spirit too will return to the Father spiritually alive through Christ's Spirit in us. He will not leave us before we are physically changed to immortality. Then when this age is finished, when the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, then believers too, like Christ, shall be bodily raised either from the grave or from this earth immortal & incorruptible. Once again whole to live with Christ forevermore on the new earth. Millennialists only imagine a period of one thousand more years of time after Christ comes again because they have no understanding of the Kingdom of God that is being built as the Gospel of Christ is proclaimed unto all the earth. Because millennials are fixated on the physical realm, they do not know of the spiritual realm being built in this age, the Kingdom of God in heaven is spiritual.

Ephesians 1:12-14 (KJV) That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Since the focus of millennialists is on the physical realm, it is the only realm they know of, and that which they cannot see with physical sight they refuse to believe. You're like doubting Thomas who refused to believe without physically seeing.

John 4:48 (KJV) Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 20:25 (KJV) The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

Matthew 16:17 (KJV) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

It is millennialists that deny or contradict the Word of God, why? Perhaps that is a question for your hearts, because it is evident that you will NEVER believe that which can only be spiritually known!

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


Who said Adam was created with an immortal body? He was however created with a body that God proclaimed to be "good". It wasn't until AFTER Adam & Eve disobeyed God and listened to the voice of the serpent that sin and death through sin entered into creation. Once the physical body of Adam came under the dominion of the serpent (Satan) it became necessary that mankind MUST be born again, not of natural birth, but spiritually, through the supernatural work of Christ in us.

When man has been born again, they HAVE, not shall have, ETERNAL life through the Spirit within. That is why Christ tells us that whoever lives and believes in Him shall NEVER DIE. Our body that as you point out is not immortal, and destined to die, but our spirit, through the Spirit of Christ in us is alive forever. That's why John writes that he saw the souls (life) of saints who had physically died for keeping the faith in Christ. John did not see physical bodies that had been resurrected to life again, how could he? Since their body had expired and will not be resurrected again until the hour that is coming, when the last trumpet sounds, and time given this earth whereby man MUST be saved shall be no longer.

You keep on repeating this mantra: "Pre-mils are so concerned about the physical............"

Heaven to earth @rwb = God is concerned also about His physical creation from Genesis.

Which includes:
a.) the earth, the trees, all plants, the entire biosphere
b.) sun
c.) moon
d.) stars
e.) waters/oceans/rivers/lakes/streams/ponds and wells
f.) animals = all of them
g.) MANKIND made in His image

God is so CONCERNED about His physical creation that HE placed us here in it with a physical body.

Now when He had departed from there, He went into their synagogue. And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—that they might accuse Him.

Then He said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” Then He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and it was restored as whole as the other. Then the Pharisees went out and plotted against Him, how they might destroy Him.

Maybe you are so spiritual that you are becoming a pharisee, who hates anything physical like the physical healings JESUS still does!!!

Have you ever been sick and in need of physical healing?
Have you ever been hungry and in need of physical food?
Have you ever been thirsty and in need of physical water for you physical body?
Have you ever been cold in need of physical clothing?

After all - what does God know anyway???

Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’
For after all these things the Gentiles seek.
For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.

Well, i guess the old saying is True = 'FATHER knows BEST'


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@rwb One more strange and bizarre fleshly physical anomaly @rwb

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”


How STRANGE of a SPIRITUAL BEING so concerned with physical needs!!!

 

[David in NJ]

Again, Even though what you said is true, the metaphor of the first fruits isn't making that point. We shouldn't force a passage to say more than it intends to say.

Well of course not.

Question: Who is forcing what , when and where?