No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

[Peterlag]

Isn't it true that the reason there is no condemnation for those in Christ is because they are not sinning?

1 John 3
5You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.

In Romans 8:1, Paul had just described the plight of a Jew under the Law--ie, being mastered by sin, and condemned for it. When Paul says, "Therefore," what he is saying next is building upon what came before. "There is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ".

Why not? "In Him there is no sin."

However, when the Christian sins (by doing what he doubts--walking in unbelief, not faith), he is condemned (Ro 14:23)--he compromises his justification. How can that be if "there is... no condemnation for those in Christ"?

Because this is an example of not remaining in Christ.

1 John 2
28And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming.

Hebrews 10
38But My righteous one will live by faith; and If [My righteous one] shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him.

Philippians 3
9and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Whereas the one who remains in Christ enjoys "no condemnation", the one who does not remain in Christ is "condemned".

How to remain in Christ?

1 John 3
23And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
24Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

Therefore, when Romans 14:23 refers to the Christian who is condemned for breaking faith by doing what he does not believe, it is teaching that this person is not abiding in Christ. Obviously, to abide in Christ means to believe in His mercy that reconnects you to Him, and to then walk before Him in peace.

Romans 1:17 says "God's righteousness is revealed from faith to faith", thus the Christian, who is to reveal God's righteousness (not his own), is, in all his actions, to be "fully convinced in his own mind" (Romans 14:5)--and, because this is true, if the Christian does what he doubts is correct before the Lord, it is sin (not the revelation of God's righteousness) whereby the Christian is condemned (Romans 14:23).

How did the Christian, the justified, become condemned?
By not abiding in Christ.
How?
By not keeping God's commands (1 Jn 3:23,24).

There is no other accounting for this anomaly--"there is no condemnation for those in Christ", yet "the Christian who sins is condemned"--and, certainly, the OSAS crowd cannot account for it.

The New Testament epistles have words like "remission of sins" and "sins may be blotted out" and "the forgiveness of sins" and "wash away thy sins" and "whose sins are covered" and "impute sin" and "are dead to sin" and "condemned sin in the flesh" and "take away their sins" and "Christ died for our sins" and "purged our sins..." The book of Romans begins talking about Jews and Gentiles being both under sin and this should not be anything new to us since both are still broken without the spirit of God. And yet for some mysterious reason I live on a planet where many Christians think their flesh is justified by the deeds of the law even after the book of Romans tells us plainly that everyone except the Christian is under sin (Romans 3:20 says Jews and Gentiles).

Romans tell us "sin is not imputed when there is no law" and "that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." And then there's verse 7 with "For he that is dead is freed from sin." I never understood Romans 6 because I was taught that I was a sinner saved by grace. Let's look at what Romans is saying: Christ died unto sin once and now he lives unto God. How are we who are still alive going to be able to likewise reckon ourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God? It seems to me it must be done through Jesus Christ our Lord. It's not about us or our broken selves. It's him we must function in. Here's the verse "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

It appears both Catholic and Protestant churches do not teach that "sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Nor do they teach "For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness." And so "Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." I'm going to skip over Romans 7 because it tells us right up at the top of the chapter that Paul is talking to those who are into or know the law. And then the context of the whole chapter is how we can see it's all about Israel and their Law and how they toy with their flesh.

What Paul talks about in the seventh chapter of Romans is what occurs to the believer who still thinks the Law applies to them. They end up spiritually dying by the commandment and realize that the commandment does not produce life. The war is with their flesh because they are still believing the Law has power over them. In the eighth chapter of Romans is where it explains how we overcome this whole issue by living in the spirit and being dead to the Law. We cannot live by faith in what Christ has done for us and still think our obedience to written laws are necessary. To do so takes away from the perfect work of Christ and places salvation and righteousness back in our own hands. Romans 8 states "the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin..."

The verse in 2 Corinthians 5:21, is talking about the "righteousness of God in him." It's the "in him" that nobody seems to be able to understand. This whole thing functions "in him." It's in Christ and therefore in the new nature that is mentioned just a few verses above this in verse 17 where it says "new creature:" It's not that we do not sin in our old man nature. It's that we do not sin in the new man that we are told to put on. The churches have destroyed this idea by teaching we put on the new man by following the teachings of Jesus as we walk in our flesh. So this is a lost art.

In the book of Colossians, we read "putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:" We did not put it off. It was the circumcision of Christ. Two verses later we read "together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;..." Again, it's "in him" or "with him." I also want to get the book of Hebrews in here where we see Christ offered himself once "for this he did once" and not like the high priest who offered up the sacrifice daily. The Lord Christ "after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;..."

Peter has the same mindset as Paul when he writes in 1 Peter "that we, being dead to sins,..." Peter goes on to say that Christ suffered once for sins so as to bring us to God, and so this is why the Scripture reads "being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:" Again, the old man crucified and the new man put in its place. Peter again, "ceased from sin;..." Put that mindset on or as Peter writes "arm yourself likewise with the same mind:" Because he that has suffered in the flesh or was crucified in the flesh has put on the new man because the other one is dead. That new person "hath ceased from sin;..."

The last verse I'm going to mention has "in him" again. From 1 John we read "that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin." We cannot sin in him because there's no sin in him and this is why "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

 

[GracePeace]

Yes.

That is because the new birth, is the seed in you whom is a believer who is transferred from darkness to light, into the Kingdom of the Son.

Yes.

It’s just the same as asking, if God can be for us? Who can be against us? (Ourselves, looking at the mirror.) While Christian’s can doubt and waver; and unbeliever has no doubt and perhaps doesn’t waver over for a long time or perhaps not at the end of their life being obstinate towards Yahweh. That’s a different story than a meth addicted person, who is homeless who continues to have faith and struggle through life. The other is a cold heartless human being, who killed all of their family, because of just being kicked out on the street. While they can be redeemed, here on earth, the other option is through the fire of Yahweh, perhaps .


Sometimes I don’t remain in Christ. Chastening exists, and we shouldn’t forget that.

Turning away, and becoming unfaithful, completely renouncing the once held position, while Yahweh may take no pleasure in their lack of faith which (pleases Yahweh) they are unable to find rest, and their way is off road to the narrow path once gone through.

It’s all about seed, water, sun, and growing until the very last day when you give up your life, you and even unbelievers are going to be given a new habitat, mansion! Condemned or not. Yahweh is only and always a giver of good gifts, of course those whom remain with a faith measured so closed to Yahweh, I’ll believe they will enjoy their resurrected bodies which are better than the normal ones seemingly given to all of everyone else excluding those which are condemned.

Some people you say you can be sinless forevermore once you hit that pinnacle progressive state, don’t know if it’s true or not, cause I still get chastened.

That is it. Faith, the death, burial, resurrection, ascending, and return. All accomplished and victory achieved! And its faith which is pleasing to Yahweh. Even though people of faith can waver around like the waves of the ocean from up to down, and are you really there God moments and etc… a faithless person doesn’t believe or have faith let alone they may not even believe in spiritual things, but may believe in aliens in outer space.

“Don’t tear apart the work of God over what you eat. Remember, all foods are acceptable, but it is wrong to eat something if it makes another person stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything else if it might cause another believer to stumble. You may believe there’s nothing wrong with what you are doing, but keep it between yourself and God. Blessed are those who don’t feel guilty for doing something they have decided is right. But if you have doubts about whether or not you should eat something, you are sinning if you go ahead and do it. For you are not following your convictions. If you do anything you believe is not right, you are sinning.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14‬:‭20‬-‭23‬ ‭NLT‬‬

that’s really subjective, especially in regards to “everything is lawful but not all things edify.”


That will only be produced by the spirit in the abiding of Yeshua. People can be chastened, by the Father in Heaven, thus condemned by the Holy Spirit; something within just doesn’t seem right because of this conviction. They desire to make things right even aside from their own wrong, it’s all personal, and subjective for sure.

By not loving their neighbor, because how can a person say they love God when they hate their neighbor, whom they seen, but Yahweh they have never seen.


I guess we agree on somethings. Osas doesn’t mean anything to me personally, just a side remark.

Seems you agree, from your statements, especially your admission that you are chastened when you do not abide in Christ.

It seems pretty straight forward, though I understand why some feel the need to deny what is written. It upsets the benefits they gain from their view, which are real benefits, because they don't know how to approach Christianity in a beneficial way if it is true that there is a possibility they may not remain. They have to believe there's a guarantee they'll remain or else they'd be fearful and/or it would seem like distrust in God, which is understandable.

Irrespectively, I am bound to believe what is written, not what ever I prefer.

 

[Peterlag]

"there is now no condemnation to those who are IN Christ".

"no condemnation" on CHRISTians.

Also your verse is talking about eating.

The context is... "He that is weak in faith"... will feel condemned in their heart.

Its the same context as Paul telling us not to "stumble a believer"..

How do you do that?

Its by being of full understanding, regarding Salvation, which allows you LIBERTY, to not put yourself under any condemnation, and so, this mature Believer, might do some simple thing, that a believer who is not mature regarding "the knowledge of God" can't ABIDE...., = and then if this weak believer does it, they feel CONDEMNED within themselves.

Something as simple as eating some food........and a weak believer is UPSET because they feel they "sinned" by eating it., and the Mature believer does not.
So, the Mature Believer has to be careful and not cause someone to do the same thing they are "free to do"...., and THAT weak one, feels "condemned", because their understanding of God's Grace, is nominal..... marginal at best.

I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

 

[Peterlag]

I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

 

[Peterlag]

Seems you agree, from your statements, especially your admission that you are chastened when you do not abide in Christ.

It seems pretty straight forward, though I understand why some feel the need to deny what is written. It upsets the benefits they gain from their view, which are real benefits, because they don't know how to approach Christianity in a beneficial way if it is true that there is a possibility they may not remain. They have to believe there's a guarantee they'll remain or else they'd be fearful and/or it would seem like distrust in God, which is understandable.

Irrespectively, I am bound to believe what is written, not what ever I prefer.

I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

 

[MatthewG]

Seems you agree, from your statements, especially your admission that you are chastened when you do not abide in Christ.

It seems pretty straight forward, though I understand why some feel the need to deny what is written. It upsets the benefits they gain from their view, which are real benefits, because they don't know how to approach Christianity in a beneficial way if it is true that there is a possibility they may not remain.

The man who taught me, was extremely avid of putting one’s own hand to the plow and digging through the dirt. In other words, as you already know. A human being must decide whether or not they are gonna go through the Bible or not, as it’s the Gospel of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation. Deliverance from a constant state of unrest into his rest, even though sometimes unrest comes around, just as the thorn in Paul’s side, which many deem was his eyes. No one knows, other than him and Yahweh, perhaps he became prideful sometimes still, or something, instead of the common trope.

There are good people in Christ and also people who teach out of strife?

I’ll show you; Paul writing to Philippians, 1:15-17.

“It’s true that some are preaching out of jealousy and rivalry. But others preach about Christ with pure motives. They preach because they love me, for they know I have been appointed to defend the Good News. Those others do not have pure motives as they preach about Christ. They preach with selfish ambition, not sincerely, intending to make my chains more painful to me. But that doesn’t matter. Whether their motives are false or genuine, the message about Christ is being preached either way, so I rejoice. And I will continue to rejoice. For I know that as you pray for me and the Spirit of Jesus Christ helps me, this will lead to my deliverance.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭1‬:‭15‬-‭19‬ ‭NLT‬‬

As you still say, as Yeshua said, gotta stay holding on til the very end of the world, or even age or perhaps to say, until we pass through from this life to the next, in faith, hope, and love.

They have to believe there's a guarantee they'll remain or else they'd be fearful and/or it would seem like distrust in God, which is understandable.

Yes, you’re right. Young folks most certain the most impressionable people because they’re are still young and growing as far as their learning capabilities. It’s up to you, and others whom belong to the family of Yahweh, adopted by the Father and walk in faith by the spirit; to pass along the truth concerning the things of him and his Son, to those whom pass by in life when you are lead by the spirit to share and do so; it’s not something that is forced into. It’s just a simply lead spirit moment in abiding in Christ and sharing on your heart which Yahweh lays on it and then you allow Yeshua in and through you for the person to hear the message. Whether they understand now, later, or never do, it’s always out of love for Yahweh and others and you and God alone know those moments of not just joy, but also pain, like the painful groanings of prayers we don’t even understand letting out resounding sighs from the hard day or nights labor of the psychical, the feelings of the emotional and the struggles and burdens of others.

Those things come, with carrying a cross, the dying to our own will and ways, and living unto Yahweh in Christ Jesus and his ways.

In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Irrespectively, I am bound to believe what is written, not what ever I prefer.

Yes, I do to, but I don’t personally predicate the Bible, over the Holy Spirit of Yahweh, which is beyond the great and useful timeless gift that we are able to receive and share with others namely the Bible. However Yahweh, is the authority of all things in my opinion, and it’s not good if people end up worshiping the Bible, or some manmade doctrine more than the LORD their GOD, Yahweh of Israel, they definitely have some issues in which their relationship could be conflicted and clogged like the limbs of a dying tree which (spiritual) life stops flowing through, (hindrances.) They may be a bit more judgmental etc, similar to the Pharisees of that day and time.

My final concluding thoughts are this, the Bible, which is out of this world in its contextual standing, (Holy to some degree,) set apart for all to see what they made decide to choose to do with it. Either faithfully believing that in the beginning was God (even if people believe that maybe God set off a big bang) just faithfully believing is what is enough to make Yahweh pleased. Because when it comes to the Bible, while I personally believe you can read a KJV and still be just fine in coming to understand like yourself, however while people may put their “authority “ on the Bible and in regards to suggest “you must this, this, this and this,” and disregards what you shared earlier, is also something people should watch out for. There is no other authority to go to besides the LORD, (and the earth positions police, justice system, presidents, supervisors, and etc…)

Thank you for the opportunity and response.

 

[GracePeace]

The man who taught me, was extremely avid of putting one’s own hand to the plow and digging through the dirt. In other words, as you already know. A human being must decide whether or not they are gonna go through the Bible or not, as it’s the Gospel of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation. Deliverance from a constant state of unrest into his rest, even though sometimes unrest comes around, just as the thorn in Paul’s side, which many deem was his eyes. No one knows, other than him and Yahweh, perhaps he became prideful sometimes still, or something, instead of the common trope.

There are good people in Christ and also people who teach out of strife?

I’ll show you; Paul writing to Philippians, 1:15-17.

“It’s true that some are preaching out of jealousy and rivalry. But others preach about Christ with pure motives. They preach because they love me, for they know I have been appointed to defend the Good News. Those others do not have pure motives as they preach about Christ. They preach with selfish ambition, not sincerely, intending to make my chains more painful to me. But that doesn’t matter. Whether their motives are false or genuine, the message about Christ is being preached either way, so I rejoice. And I will continue to rejoice. For I know that as you pray for me and the Spirit of Jesus Christ helps me, this will lead to my deliverance.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭1‬:‭15‬-‭19‬ ‭NLT‬‬

As you still say, as Yeshua said, gotta stay holding on til the very end of the world, or even age or perhaps to say, until we pass through from this life to the next, in faith, hope, and love.


Yes, you’re right. Young folks most certain the most impressionable people because they’re are still young and growing as far as their learning capabilities. It’s up to you, and others whom belong to the family of Yahweh, adopted by the Father and walk in faith by the spirit; to pass along the truth concerning the things of him and his Son, to those whom pass by in life when you are lead by the spirit to share and do so; it’s not something that is forced into. It’s just a simply lead spirit moment in abiding in Christ and sharing on your heart which Yahweh lays on it and then you allow Yeshua in and through you for the person to hear the message. Whether they understand now, later, or never do, it’s always out of love for Yahweh and others and you and God alone know those moments of not just joy, but also pain, like the painful groanings of prayers we don’t even understand letting out resounding sighs from the hard day or nights labor of the psychical, the feelings of the emotional and the struggles and burdens of others.

Those things come, with carrying a cross, the dying to our own will and ways, and living unto Yahweh in Christ Jesus and his ways.

In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.


Yes, I do to, but I don’t personally predicate the Bible, over the Holy Spirit of Yahweh, which is beyond the great and useful timeless gift that we are able to receive and share with others namely the Bible. However Yahweh, is the authority of all things in my opinion, and it’s not good if people end up worshiping the Bible, or some manmade doctrine more than the LORD their GOD, Yahweh of Israel, they definitely have some issues in which their relationship could be conflicted and clogged like the limbs of a dying tree which (spiritual) life stops flowing through, (hindrances.) They may be a bit more judgmental etc, similar to the Pharisees of that day and time.

My final concluding thoughts are this, the Bible, which is out of this world in its contextual standing, (Holy to some degree,) set apart for all to see what they made decide to choose to do with it. Either faithfully believing that in the beginning was God (even if people believe that maybe God set off a big bang) just faithfully believing is what is enough to make Yahweh pleased. Because when it comes to the Bible, while I personally believe you can read a KJV and still be just fine in coming to understand like yourself, however while people may put their “authority “ on the Bible and in regards to suggest “you must this, this, this and this,” and disregards what you shared earlier, is also something people should watch out for. There is no other authority to go to besides the LORD, (and the earth positions police, justice system, presidents, supervisors, and etc…)

Thank you for the opportunity and response.

I'm glad to hear you agree with the OP, as it is the straightforward reading--not going to get in to the tangentials you raised.

 

[MatthewG]

I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

Hello

This may be informal, but there was a comment on this you say about “abiding in Christ,” it’s about as gay as you get someone from a long time ago wrote this, because of how intimate the word is; you could even go as far as “homolego” which is a word that mean what you say from your heart with your mouth, they are conjoined in the same manner and neither is faltering from one another as they are “homo” - the same. Gay, means to be keenly alive. Yeshua states the words he speaks are spirit and life.

“Then what will you think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again? The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But some of you do not believe me.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning which ones didn’t believe, and he knew who would betray him.)”
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭62‬-‭64‬ ‭NLT‬‬

 

[MatthewG]

I'm glad to hear you agree with the OP, as it is the straightforward reading--not going to get in to the tangentials you raised.

It’s cool you have no response to them; they are impossible to tear down in my opinion. Glad to share! I know this your thread and all, I’ll go ahead and dip on outside. You take care and enjoy the rest of your night and I would like to share this photo of the stars I took last Friday, at 9:12 pm outside of my workstation with you if you hopefully don’t mind. My mother was astonished. God bless and you take care, thank you again for allowing me to converse.

 

[Peterlag]

Hello

This may be informal, but there was a comment on this you say about “abiding in Christ,” it’s about as gay as you get someone from a long time ago wrote this, because of how intimate the word is; you could even go as far as “homolego” which is a word that mean what you say from your heart with your mouth, they are conjoined in the same manner and neither is faltering from one another as they are “homo” - the same. Gay, means to be keenly alive. Yeshua states the words he speaks are spirit and life.

“Then what will you think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again? The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But some of you do not believe me.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning which ones didn’t believe, and he knew who would betray him.)”
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭62‬-‭64‬ ‭NLT‬‬

I would respond if I knew what you were talking about, but I don't.

 

[GracePeace]

It’s cool you have no response to them; they are impossible to tear down in my opinion.

I encourage you to author a thread on these topics which are of interest to you, but which are of no interest to me in the context of this discussion. I will not be changing the topic of the thread. As I recall, disorder, chaos, attempting to crash threads with inane ignorance, has been your practice for a long time. I suppose some things never change.

 

[Peterlag]

I'm glad to hear you agree with the OP, as it is the straightforward reading--not going to get in to the tangentials you raised.

It seems clear to me now that I have a new nature which is the spirit of God. And that I am not in a battle between two natures nor do I need to get God to teach my spirit to teach my flesh. This spirit is indeed a life form that is in all Christians even though most have no idea what it is or how it works. There are many Christians who have been able to tap into this spirit from time to time on all kinds of levels even if in most cases they had no idea what was happening or how it works. Most if not all of the problem is that this is a "lost art" because the Bible preachers teach their people to walk by the flesh.

 

[MatthewG]

I would respond if I knew what you were talking about, but I don't.

i don’t know what I’m talking about.

I encourage you to author a thread on these topics which are of interest to you, but which are of no interest to me in the context of this discussion. I will not be changing the topic of the thread. As I recall, disorder, chaos, attempting to crash threads with inane ignorance, has been your practice for a long time. I suppose some things never change.

I don’t have anything else more to say. Man your like a stout German guy standing over me shouting… get a grip and have some decency to be nice to your fellow house mates here on a forum site… I’ll do my best just to stay away from you and your threads if you’re gonn just be a Jerk.

 

[GracePeace]

i don’t know what I’m talking about.



I don’t have anything else more to say. Man your like a stout German guy standing over me shouting… get a grip and have some decency to be nice to your fellow house mates here on a forum site… I’ll do my best just to stay away from you and your threads if you’re gonn just be a Jerk.

Have the "decency" to stay on topic. You are always out of order.
Quit making yourself into a victim. "Oh my god you're a German! Poor me!"
Think about what you're doing. I've asked you not to do it for a long time.
Quit it.
Then you won't have to turn yourself in a little crybaby victim.

 

[MatthewG]

Have the "decency" to stay on topic. You are always out of order.
Quit making yourself into a victim. "Oh my god you're a German! Poor me!"
Think about what you're doing. I've asked you not to do it for a long time.
Quit it.
Then you won't have to turn yourself in a little crybaby victim.

I will place you on ignore. May the Holy Spirit of Yahweh bring your peace and comfort, and may you continue to fellowship with his Son, by abiding in him. Goodbye, and take care.

 

[GracePeace]

I will place you on ignore. May the Holy Spirit of Yahweh bring your peace and comfort, and may you continue to fellowship with his Son, by abiding in him.

I think you said you'd do this before.
Please do.
Thank you.

 

[MatthewG]

I think you said you'd do this before.
Please do.
Thank you.

Is it that you have issues with me personally, because of my beliefs? Can I ask at lest that? I don’t like just randomly pming others. Because you know, when I response to you, but you aren’t able to respond back to me. Is that just a personal choice in not engaging so we could commune further or it’s just that the opinions of others do not matter, and especially anything that comes from me?

I like you, and don’t have any issues but just to go off on someone for no reason and I’m just in general trying to be friendly I get told I’m out of line, or that my topics on the topics aren’t on topic?

Just wish I understood but if I don’t, may God help me understand it one day, cause if you believe that you can control people your most certainly wrong about that.

 

[GracePeace]

Is it that you have issues with me personally, because of my beliefs? Can I ask at lest that? I don’t like just randomly pming others. Because you know, when I response to you, but you aren’t able to respond back to me. Is that just a personal choice in not engaging so we could commune further or it’s just that the opinions of others do not matter, and especially anything that comes from me?

I like you, and don’t have any issues but just to go off on someone for no reason and I’m just in general trying to be friendly I get told I’m out of line, or that my topics on the topics aren’t on topic?

Just wish I understood but if I don’t, may God help me understand it one day, cause if you believe that you can control people your most certainly wrong about that.

I like how you strive for truth--it reminds me of me.
However, I try to stay on topic. I like order.
You are not staying on topic. You are chaotic.
It is indicative, to me, of a personal "wild" or "worldly" streak.
You like to cause chaos. You like to push buttons.
You then tried using psychology to manipulate me in to your disorder.
"Yeah, my views are unassailable. You couldn't disprove them if you tried."
It's insulting that you think you can cause chaos and then you actually treat me as if I'm so stupid that I won't notice you're trying to deceive me into giving up on order, like I'm some kind of a child.

 

[MatthewG]

I get discussion helps you, but what about me? Just to ignore me, and to shut down my thoughts and also added insights as though you don’t have time to go through them reminds me of me. You don’t need to apologize to me, cause I’m just looking for you to just tell me the truth which I’m not really sure what is the truth in all of this; my only hope is that you can get it together and not be so wound up and tightly bound; that type of stuff hurts other people, and I’m not saying that I haven’t, but don’t apologize to me. I’m just the neighbor; and whether your hate me or love me; I’m still going to respect whatever it is you need done for your satisfaction alone because it seems that your just inclined to do what is in your favor, only which is fine; I’m guilty of many countless things but thank Yahweh we are able to love one another despite disposition, law counts or body counts, and to forgive? Let go? Move forward, and continue to walk by the spirit. I don’t feel bad nor good about the whole ordeal in general displayed as we are a market for people to see two peoples interactions and sometimes the thought of that fades into the background and forgot.

I hate that I couldn’t hear your thoughts on my thoughts about scripture and perhaps I find that annoying and counter intuitive, but every decision we make is on our own accord as I should have probably done walked away but I desire to lay this out; and it’s not harassment, abuse or a violation.

We shouldn’t treat each other rudely. Even if you do got a thread that is “yours” that you really don’t even pay for to always stay in order with people like myself existing to hopefully help you make better decisions, for the will of God and not just because you “want” things to say neat and orderly; no one’s life is even like that; even with ocd. There is always something different that happens every day.

 

[MatthewG]

Normally people who tend to swap things around and assume other people of playing “victim” are those who think they have some type of control… and manipulate using the tactics which you are displaying; but alas what can I do about that? Absolutely nothing, sir or ma’am idk how you were raised or what you experienced but this will not solve any issue, because you’re the one, who took this route. God be with you, I’ve done heard enough excuses. I don’t judge you, or love you any less than any other member on here I’ve ignored before, so it’s whatever. Human beings will always human being but if we are to abide in Christ that entails considering our neighbor as ourselves. If people abide in Christ any one that meet they should be able to consider them, in some wayward manner. That’s why those whom abide and are in Christ are not condemned. They haven’t done anything wrong in manner of the Holy Spirit bringing to their mind some type of wrong action they have done.