No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

[Ritajanice]

The seed of God lives and abideth forever in a Born Agains heart/ spirit.....because it was planted by Gods Living seed His Holy Spirit, the seed of faith takes root in that child of God where it will produce the fruit of Jesus and the believers will be made into the image of Jesus...

 

[GracePeace]

The seed of God lives and abideth forever in a Born Agains heart/ spirit.....because it was planted by Gods Living seed His Holy Spirit, the seed of faith takes root in that child of God where it will produce the fruit of Jesus and the believers will be made into the image of Jesus...

How is it, if your perception of John's teaching is correct, that Jesus tells the parable of the unforgiving steward in Matthew 18?

The one who is forgiven his debt is a believer, born again, but he sins by not forgiving his fellow servant, and the King "unforgives" him, and sends him to hell. He's no longer forgiven, because he's not in Christ anymore, and only those in Christ are children of God (Galatians 3 "you are all children of God IN CHRIST"). He SINNED as a "born again", so, ultimately, he becomes "unborn again", thus your interpretations of John's teachings are nonsense.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice How is it, if your perception of John's teaching is correct, that Jesus tells the parable of the unforgiving steward in Matthew 18?

The one who is forgiven his debt is a believer, born again, but he sins by not forgiving his fellow servant, and the King "unforgives" him, and sends him to hell. He's no longer forgiven because he's not in Christ and only those in Christ are children of God (Galatians 3 "you are all children of God IN CHRIST"). He SINNED as a "born again", so, ultimately, he becomes "unborn again", thus your interpretations of John's teachings are nonsense.

I have posted Gods word..you really aren’t understanding the supernatural/ spiritual birth....the written word will never save anyone from eternal damnation...you must be Born Again by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit.
To which you have no knowledge or spiritual understanding of what that means..it’s revealed in your posts.

I am going to leave it there...the points that we’re needed to be made have been made I can now exit this thread...thank you Lord.

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◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Literal Bible But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because spiritually they are discerned. King James Bible But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[GracePeace]

LOL! The topic has been changed by the hysteria of @Ritajanice.
Sorry for anyone who actually wanted to hear about Ro 8:1 and 14:23.
It will only be a short while before RitaJanice is answered and we can move back on topic.

 

[GracePeace]

I have posted Gods word..you really aren’t understanding the supernatural/ spiritual birth....the written word will never save anyone from eternal damnation...you must be Born Again by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit.

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◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Literal Bible But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because spiritually they are discerned. King James Bible But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The question remains: if your understanding of John's doctrine is correct, how is it that Jesus teaches that someone can be forgiven their debt (that is, by faith in Christ, making them born again), but, then, sin (they sinned--contrary to your mangling of God's Word) by not forgiving, and then be "unforgiven" and thrown in hell (being "unforgiven", he is no longer in Christ, because "in Christ" is the redemption--he's no longer "born of God", since it is only "in Christ you are sons of God by faith" Galatians 3)?

In other words, even if it were granted, contrary to reason and Scripture, that one who is born of God never sins, you wrongly assume that someone cannot be "unborn" of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

The question remains: if your understanding of John's doctrine is correct, how is it that Jesus teaches that someone can be forgiven their debt (that is, by faith in Christ, making them born again), but, then, sin (they sinned--contrary to your mangling of God's Word) by not forgiving, and then be "unforgiven" and thrown in hell (being "unforgiven", he is no longer in Christ, because "in Christ" is the redemption--he's no longer "born of God")?

Bye bye sweetie...the word has been spoken, i can now leave this thread..

We understand in our spirit, The Holy Spirit Witnesses Gods Truth to our heart/ spirit....then the written word backs up what God’s witness the Holy Spirit speaks to our hearts/ spirit.

We are spiritual children of God....we are in the world ,we are are not of the world, a Born Again is in the Kingdom Of God.

Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.....liveth and abideth forever in our hearts/ spirit.

God Bless on your journey finding Gods truth.

 

[GracePeace]

Bye bye sweetie...the word has been spoken, i can now leave this thread..

We understand in our spirit, The Holy Spirit Witnesses Gods Truth to our heart/ spirit....then the written word backs up what God’s witness the Holy Spirit speaks to our hearts/ spirit.

We are spiritual children of God....we are in the world ,we are are not of the world, a Born Again is in the Kingdom Of God.

LOL That's right, run away from God's Word.

You cannot account for Matthew 18, among many other passages and verses of Scripture, because your understanding of John is flawed. You do not have a single coherent thing to say. The entire Bible militates against your ignorance.

 

[Ritajanice]

LOL That's right, run away from God's Word.

You can’t run away from the Spirit Of God.there is nowhere to hide, we know that in our spirit.....that is the correct wording...bye bye.

 

[GracePeace]

Hopefully we can get back on topic now.

How do you reconcile Romans 8:1 with Romans 14:23?

 

[GracePeace]

You can’t run away from the Spirit Of God.....that is the correct wording...bye bye.

Answer why the guy who is forgiven his debt, which is only by faith in Christ, which means he is born of God, can sin (which you say cannot occur) enough to make God "unforgive" his debt and throw him in hell, meaning the guy is no longer in Christ meaning he isn't born of God.

Can't do it, can ya? Not without giving up your misreading of John's teachings, you can't. So run away.

 

[GracePeace]

Laugh all you'd like, but you can't answer the Scripture--because you don't believe Scripture, you believe your lop-sided hysterical ignorant misunderstanding of it.

Ecclesiastes 7
6For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fools; this also is vanity.

 

[GracePeace]

Isn't that "convenient"! My post all of a sudden "makes no sense" when you can't answer it!

Tell me which part of it I used a foreign language to make my point.
Tell me which part of it makes no sense. Surely you could explain!

 

[Ritajanice]

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Laugh all you'd like, but you can't answer the Scripture--because you don't believe Scripture, you believe your lop-sided hysterical ignorant misunderstanding of it.

Ecclesiastes 7
6For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fools; this also is vanity.

I deleted my laughing emoji....you need to let go of your pride and ego....God hates it...talking from experience..pride and ego can stop one from growing in Christ...it can have a terrible hold on you...I hope and pray you come to realise that..in Jesus Name...Amen!

Your pride and ego are rife on this thread imo.

 

[GracePeace]

I deleted my laughing emoji....you need to let go of your pride and ego....God hates it...talking from experience..pride and ego can stop one from growing in Christ...it can have a terrible hold on you...I hope and pray you come to realise that..in Jesus Name...Amen!

Blah, blah, blah... lots of words, but no answer for the Scripture that debunks your ignorance!
Run away, now, and let the conversation pick back up from where you took it off track!

 

[Ritajanice]

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◄ Matthew 7:16 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? New Living Translation You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? English Standard Version You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Berean Standard Bible By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Berean Literal Bible By their fruits you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? King James Bible Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? New King James Version You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? New American Standard Bible You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they?

 

[GracePeace]

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◄ Matthew 7:16 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? New Living Translation You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? English Standard Version You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Berean Standard Bible By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Berean Literal Bible By their fruits you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? King James Bible Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? New King James Version You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? New American Standard Bible You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they?

The Scripture is getting lonely, how could you do that to the Scripture?
Lots of empty talk, no answer for the Scripture.
Poor Scripture!

Look how many words you use, but how none of them regard the challenge to your ignorance!

Answer why the guy who is forgiven his debt, which is only by faith in Christ, which means he is born of God, can sin (which you say cannot occur) enough to make God "unforgive" his debt and throw him in hell, meaning the guy is no longer in Christ meaning he isn't born of God, whereas you say you think John means to say that Christians can't sin and being born of God is forever set in stone and cannot be undone.

 

[GracePeace]

LOL! The topic has been changed by the hysteria of @Ritajanice.
Sorry for anyone who actually wanted to hear about Ro 8:1 and 14:23.
It will only be a short while before RitaJanice is answered and we can move back on topic.

Told ya it would only be a short while!

 

[GracePeace]

You mean...like being a seamless theology and congruent with the Parable of Soils....

God is my Witness, that's what I strive for and BEG and PLEAD God for constantly.

 

[pompadour]

This thread has run it's course.