No authority!

[Ferris Bueller]

mk 16:16

It's impossible that Mark 16:16 means baptism makes you righteous before God. That would contradict Paul's assertion that being declared righteous (made righteous) does not happen through the merit of works, but rather by what you believe apart from what you do. Like Abraham.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

No - He only sent out SEVENTY-TWO - not ALL the crowds.

ALL the crowds don't believe yet, lol. This is not brain surgery BOL.

 

[amigo de christo]

We will keep marching on in the biblical Lord Jesus and will forever rejoice in the Lord. Oh yes, and in the Lord rejoice.

Sound it out dear sister . Its JESUS for the lambs . Let the LORD be praised . Feasting daily on the lovely pure and holy scriptures .

 

[BreadOfLife]

ALL the crowds don't believe yet, lol. This is not brain surgery BOL.

WRONG.

A good number of them DID believe. We know this from John 6:66, which tells us MANY of them abandoned Him and "returned to their FORMER WAY of life".
Sooooo WHY didn't Jesus also send THEM out with the Seventy-Two?

So, instead of "Lol-ing" - just answer the question.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

WRONG.

A good number of them DID believe. We know this from John 6:66, which tells us MANY of them abandoned Him and "returned to their FORMER WAY of life".
Sooooo WHY didn't Jesus also send THEM out with the Seventy-Two?

So, instead of "Lol-ing" - just answer the question.

Where do you think this person came from who was driving out demons in Jesus name? He was doing that before Jesus sent out the 72. Paul explains how the spiritual gifts are given to all believers to one degree or another, as God distributes them. They are not relegated to church leadership alone.....

...you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. He will also keep you firm to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:7-8

7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, a and to still another the interpretation of tongues. b 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 ​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

many are called few are chosen

to each one of us grace has been given according to the measure of the gift of Christ. This is why it says:

“When He ascended on high,

He led captives away,

and gave gifts to men.” Ephesians 4:7-8​

 

[Ronald Nolette]

no you misunderstood
These are only defined and decreed at a certain time, example assumption 1950 but is part of the deposit of faith handed to peter and the apostles by Christ (Jude 1:3) always believed by the church
The assumption having and annual feast from the early church

Wrong about it being handed to any of the apostles.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Rev 5:8

I didn't know bread of life abdicated answering for himself and you took over.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

and the only true worship in spirit and truth is the holy propitiatory sacrifice of the mass
The new covenant Passover sacrifice of Christ

YOu couldn't be more wrong ! there was only one propitiatory sacrifice for believers. It happened one time only around 30-33 AD. Never to be repeated!

 

[Illuminator]

I don't "deny" anything.
Kissing the Pope's ring has MORE than a single meaning.

It acknowledges his God-given Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, John 21:15-19).
It is a sign of love and respect.

Since when does kissing equal "worship"??

Luke 15:11-22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.

All cultures cannot be measured by one White Anglo-Saxon Protestant culture. (WASP). Ethnocentrisms are annoying.

Nowhere does the Bible teach that all authentic beliefs and practices must be exility found in scripture to be trustworthy. That is a man made tradition. I've said that about 100 times and no one has refuted it. Scripture in art form is not forbidden in the Bible either. I changed my signature.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (on the cross)

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
(Portrayed)

Yep, but He is risen indeed and no longer on that cross!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

yes both his death and resurrection
Conform to Christ and him crucified
But live in the power of his resurrection

but you do not offer his sacrifice

There is no need to! He offered it HImself in heaven before the Father. We now remember and rejoice in HIs sacrifice and His conquest of death in His own body, and His returning to heaven to prepare a place for an unworthy servant like me!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

EVERY one of those intercessory prayers and Feast Days points to CHRIST.
Every message - such as Fatima - points to CHRIST.

Is that why that apparition commanded to pray teh rosary and dedicate Russia to the Immaculate heart of Mary????

And the reason that you don't believe YOUR parents were conceived without sin - it's because they weren't.
YOUR parents - as wonderful as they may be - are not Kecharitomene. ONLY Mary is.

and that doesn't mean she was conceived without a sin nature nor incapable of sin. that is mythology incorporated into the RCC Church. If the Lord wanted even a 10th of the attention the RCC devotes to Mary you would think it would have been given as instructions. But I don't think Paul even mentioned Mary once! After Acts she no longer appears in Scripture except by those who allegorize passages to make them mean something they don't!

Finally - praying to Mary or ANY other saint to pray FOR you is exactly like praying to somebody on earth to pray for you.
To "Pray", simply means to ASK. "Worship" is a SECONDARY definition. YOU pray to people every day:

Wrong!

Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I PRAY you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you"

Too bad you don't know th e difference between this word and the word pray like in Matt. 6

And worship is a totally spearate word so please learn what you speak of and not just vomit standard catholic responses.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Not in my experience. In my experience Hebrews 4:12 is true. (NLT) For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.

I talked with a pastor who had the same supernatural experience I did about this verse and how reading the same verse at different times - with the Spirit - gives new revelations. Even St Augustine wrote about this in his famous Confessions.

The written Scriptures come alive when the Holy Spirit interacts with it and His voice speaks through it. This is why unbelievers can read the Bible and it means nothing to them. This is because it is meaningless to them without the indwelling Holy Spirit. What convicts unbelievers of sin is the Holy Spirit working through the ministry of the evangelist whose preaching of the gospel releases the power of God leading to their salvation.

Therefore, without the interaction of the Holy Spirit, comprehension of the Scriptures is rudimentary and seen just as mere religious principles and insufficient to lead to salvation.

 

[Paul Christensen]

That’s how you get thousands of sects all claiming the Bible alone and the HS and all teaching God knows what! No unity of faith no unity of spirit and no order
These only come from obedience to a hierarchical teaching authority!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 acts 9 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jesus Christ does not abandon His holy bride! Matt 28:19-20

The presence of Jesus and His work through the church follows the same evidence that He presented to the disciples of John the Baptizer when they came and asked Him if He was the One they were expecting.

He told them, "The lepers are cleansed, the lame walk, the blind see, the deaf hear, and the good news is preached." Therefore, the evidence of the presence of Jesus through the Holy Spirit is the same: Sick and diseased people are healed, demons are cast out, and the gospel of Christ is preached with power resulting in unbelievers embracing Christ.

If we don't see these things happening in a church, then we can safely conclude that the Holy Spirit is not fellowshiping there.

 

[Illuminator]

YOu couldn't be more wrong ! there was only one propitiatory sacrifice for believers. It happened one time only around 30-33 AD. Never to be repeated!

Of course not. The Bread and Wine sacrificed at the Last Supper is one and the same sacrifice as the Crucifixion. The Mass is a re-presentation, not a repetition. The Mass is a fulfilment of the seder meal. In heaven, Jesus offers HIMSELF to the Father (in the form of bread and wine) on our behalf, not symbols.

Heb. 9:23 – in this verse, the author writes that the Old Testament sacrifices were only copies of the heavenly things, but now heaven has better “sacrifices” than these. Why is the heavenly sacrifice called “sacrifices,” in the plural? Jesus died once. This is because, while Christ’s sacrifice is transcendent in heaven, it touches down on earth and is sacramentally re-presented over and over again from the rising of the sun to its setting around the world by the priests of Christ’s Church. This is because all moments to God are present in their immediacy, and when we offer the memorial sacrifice to God, we ask God to make the sacrifice that is eternally present to Him also present to us. Jesus’ sacrifice also transcends time and space because it was the sacrifice of God Himself.

Heb. 9:23 – the Eucharistic sacrifice also fulfills Jer. 33:18 that His kingdom will consist of a sacrificial priesthood forever, and fulfills Zech. 9:15 that the sons of Zion shall drink blood like wine and be saved.

Heb. 9:26 – Jesus’ once and for all appearance into heaven to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself shows that Jesus’ presence in heaven and His sacrifice are inseparable. This also shows that “once for all,” which refers to Jesus’ appearance in heaven, means perpetual (it does not, and cannot mean, “over and done with” because Jesus is in heaven for eternity). “Once for all” also refers to Jesus’ suffering and death (Heb. 7:27; 9:12,26;10:10-14). But “once for all” never refers to Jesus’ sacrifice, which is eternally presented to the Father. This sacrifice is the Mal. 1:11 pure offering made present in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting in the Eucharist offered in the same manner as the Melchizedek offering.

read more here

 

[Taken]

You not knowing the definition of worship does not make us liars.

!!

 

[Taken]

fundamentalist blindness and pride


you are negating scripture
Dead no way
John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am theresurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Jesus IS the resurrection...
To resurrect is in regards to the Body.
The Body must be dead Before resurrection.
Resurrecting a dead body, THAT BELIEVETH IN HIM...shall be resurrected to Life.
That has not YET occurred...

 

[BreadOfLife]

Where do you think this person came from who was driving out demons in Jesus name? He was doing that before Jesus sent out the 72. Paul explains how the spiritual gifts are given to all believers to one degree or another, as God distributes them. They are not relegated to church leadership alone.....

...you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. He will also keep you firm to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:7-8

7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, a and to still another the interpretation of tongues. b 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 ​

And AGAIN, you've missed the point.

I didn't say that the laity doesn't have spiritual gifts.
I asked you WHY Jesus didn't send out the crowds - but ONLY Seventy-Two?
WHY did Jesus ONLY pick Twelve as His Apostles - and NOT Five Thousand?

1 Cor. 12:28
Some people God has designated in the church to be, FIRST, apostles; SECOND, prophets; THIRD, teachers; THEN, mighty deeds; THEN, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues.

Paul writes of this hierarchy:
1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

Jesud didn't leave His Church to chaos and anarchy.
MEN in the 16th century did that . . .

 

[theefaith]

It's impossible that Mark 16:16 means baptism makes you righteous before God. That would contradict Paul's assertion that being declared righteous (made righteous) does not happen through the merit of works, but rather by what you believe apart from what you do. Like Abraham.

Not works
You can’t baptize yourself