new version of OSAS?

[Ferris Bueller]

If you have a child who disobeyed you causing you to kick him out of your family and have them burned

you can understand where NOSAS came from

All people are 'children' of God (Acts 17:29), and yet the bulk of them will go into the furnace. So much for your emotional argument.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

When do you say one is an ongoing liar?

39 times.

 

[marks]

All people are 'children' of God (Acts 17:29), and yet the bulk of them will go into the furnace. So much for your emotional argument.

Apples and oranges.

This is another example of misusing Scripture.

Not all people are "born from God". I believe that you knew what @Eternally Grateful was saying, and I also believe you know the reference you replied with. I also don't believe you are ignorant towards the difference.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

Matthew 13:41-42

The scripture is true, but your placement of where it occurs is not. All such sin was cast out of the kingdom, and is not allowed back in.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

See how God made you confess!

"Comparing NON OSASers with Muslims, pagans, Hindus? There you go NON OSASers! The OSAS judges are sending you to Hell!"

Well you all teach salvation by works,

Own up to what you teach. Don't blame me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You attacked me personally. I attack the OSAS hoax. See the difference?

I dont attack you. I show your lies

And you cant attack osas if you have absolutely no understand what it teaches. Which you prove every time you post.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Just tell us how one makes the grace of God a license to sin so we'll be sure not to do that, and so we'll know that's not what you're teaching. That's fair. Just focus on that single thing. That's all you need to do. Are you up to it?

Gulp! Hard to focus with broken ankle....getting better.....actually MUCH better ! Certainly due to my “ clean living” and YOUR prayers....keep up the good work! I owe ya one....lol....

 

[kcnalp]

No it's not. Broad brush fallacy.

Much love!

From an OSASer here:

"If I died when I didn’t believe I would have gone to Heaven because there was One Time That I DID Believe.....that’s all it takes...."

A perfectly clear license to sin!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you can pick and choose your sins? You can lie but you can't deny Jesus or blaspheme the Holy Spirit. OSAS, VERY flexible and convenient!

Nope.

Your the one picking and chosing your sin

whoever denies christ has never been saved. Why do you continue to ask what I already told you to continue to bear false witness? Should I report you for lying?

and whoever blasphemes the spirit has never been saved. Whoever has been saved have received the HS word and agreed with him. not denied him.

so back off before you lie about me again.

 

[kcnalp]

What I said there is my view about the matter of making the choice of believing or rejecting Jesus Christ. And about my view of a person who face the same choice each day after that. And that could be any one, OSASer or not.

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But since you are defending OSAS you were referring to NON OSASers in particular.

 

[marks]

From an OSASer here:

"If I died when I didn’t believe I would have gone to Heaven because there was One Time That I DID Believe.....that’s all it takes...."

A perfectly clear license to sin!

To take what one person says, and apply it accross the board as though all say it, that would be the broad brush fallacy, overgeneralization.

And even so, these aren't the same statements. That God remains faithful when we do not, that is not the same thing as saying we are allowed to sin all we want, no consequence.

Much love!

 

[kcnalp]

So then we would be expecting nothing from you but such contents then, since you have judged and so believed that all those who believe that the salvation they have in Christ Jesus is secured, give them a license to live like the devil and matters not.

How many in here are OSASers who actually are what you say they are that you make such a sweeping statement against OSASers in general?

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Salvation is indeed "secured" for those who don't choose to forsake God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Apples and oranges.

This is another example of misusing Scripture.

Not all people are "born from God". I believe that you knew what @Eternally Grateful was saying, and I also believe you know the reference you replied with. I also don't believe you are ignorant towards the difference.

Much love!

Go figure. See how he twists things.

In my context. Only those given the right to be children of God are his children

In his context. I guess he must be a universalist and thinks all kids are saved born again children of God? (I know he is not. but if I interpret him as he does me. I would think he did)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

From an OSASer here:

"If I died when I didn’t believe I would have gone to Heaven because there was One Time That I DID Believe.....that’s all it takes...."

A perfectly clear license to sin!

can you quote this post?

 

[kcnalp]

Perhaps you, who is not a OSASer knows better about what OSASer meant by OSAS? It’s like one knowing what a poster meant to say better than the poster.

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Already quoted OSASer:

"If I died when I didn’t believe I would have gone to Heaven because there was One Time That I DID Believe.....that’s all it takes...."

 

[Eternally Grateful]

To take what one person says, and apply it accross the board as though all say it, that would be the broad brush fallacy, overgeneralization.

And even so, these aren't the same statements. That God remains faithful when we do not, that is not the same thing as saying we are allowed to sin all we want, no consequence.

Much love!

Amen. Not all people who proclaim osas are true children of God. becoming a child is more than just name it and claim it.

 

[marks]

Just tell us how one makes the grace of God a license to sin so we'll be sure not to do that, and so we'll know that's not what you're teaching. That's fair. Just focus on that single thing. That's all you need to do. Are you up to it?

By not believing in it. By believing your own version of "truth", instead of accepting Biblical truth.

That's how.

Here is how God's truth of grace IS NOT a "license to sin" (another one of those fictional debates - there is no such thing as a "license to sin").

Anyway, here is the reality:

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

You see how God's grace is in fact the way we purify ourselves.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Amen. Not all people who proclaim osas are true children of God. becoming a child is more than just name it and claim it.

It's just more deflection.

Instead of discussing the Biblical doctrine, try to move the conversation to what someone said, or better still, to some fiction that such and such group supposedly says.

My favorite, though, is to claim the doctrine has a teaching. "OSAS says . . ."

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Except for poor me. Saved by the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, but since I do not believe that saved people can live in their old life of sin in unbelief and still be saved I can not be forgiven that sin, and so BB can't consider me a brother. Oh well, no super abounding grace for this saved person. That's the one sin God's grace can not cover even though he said it covers ALL sins of the saved person.

I think you are a Saved man covered by Grace....you just don't know how to apply it to your life so that you can derive the Joy that I have knowing that I can never go to Hell for any reason....I just actually believe Jesus when He said in the Gospel That He died for my Sins....You think that Jesus died for sins as long as they are not “ Willful”. That is a BIG Addition to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing ...it is why you are “ Fallen From Grace”.... that does not necessarily mean you are damned—- the ones that “ Preach” it are, if you Believe Galatians 1:8......
Those who are “ Fallen from Grace” play out a beggarly Faith Walk at best .....at the worst, they “ could” be damned For it....excellent teachers of the Word disagree......we’ ll certainly “ see”, won’t we?

When it’s all said and done, perhaps you are my “half- Brother” ....lol.....hopefully OSAS 3.0 will address this issue and clear it up for good...

 

[Tong2020]

Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

Paul is confident of this truth. Its sad others are not.. Why are they not confident God will complete what he started?

Because they think they started it?
Or
Because they think God started it and they are the ones that would and could complete it?
Or
Because for some reason, they just don’t want to believe that it is God who started the good work in them and will complete it?
Or Because they think that while ot is God who started the good work in them, that they are the ones still in control, having allowed God to start the good work in them, that it is up to them as well to allow God to complete it.

There could be a lot of other reasons for all we know. I am just guessing here.

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