new version of OSAS?

[Eternally Grateful]

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“Where Sin abounds....Grace SUPER abounds.” I know that. I live that. It makes me want to Sin less.....you have to live it to understand it.....you don’t.

Amen

there is hyper grace, they hate it, because true grace condemns them so they must attack it.

 

[Tong2020]

He is NOT lying. The new Osas says grace is the 'believers' license to sin.

If that were true, that OSAS says grace is the believer’s license to sin, then believers won’t be chastised for sinning, right? But then God chastise His erring children.

Tong
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[Eternally Grateful]

Not at all! You lack that standing in my life, for one thing. You do not demonstrate Biblical and spiritual knowledge that would give your words weight. And seeing how you mix people's words around, and all the fallacies you engage in, well, again, not much weight there.

But watching how you deflect, and obfuscate, and put words into people's mouths, your constant straw men, and ad hominems, all such vanity!

I don't really think anymore that you have it in you to give a direct and reasoned and honest answer to something I've posted.

I write this bluntly hoping that it will jar you into going back to the beginning and having a real conversation.

Much love!

And here I was hoping you would have success.

but it’s ok, he will tell you how he proves you wrong all the time, yet he does not even show he knows what we believe, he proves us wrong in his own mind..

again, that’s why I stopped feeding him so to speak.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just because someone says Once Saved Always Saved does not mean they know what it means

There is more to OSAS than just words.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Let’s make it more simple and common, by considering the liar instead of the adulterer.

Now let’s ask, who is not guilty of lying? Where will the liar go, to heaven or to the lake of fire?

If they are an on going liar and live a lifestyle if lying without repentance, they go to the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8

ESV

8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, utheir portion will be in vthe lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is wthe second death.”

The bible could not be more clear.

Are Christians guilty of lying? How often do you think they lie? Everyday, every other day, after three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,………..30, 31, 32, 33,……..60,…..days? When do you say one is an ongoing liar?

Tong
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[ScottA]

Good grief, man! Don't you know not everybody in the kingdom of God is for real?????

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:41-42
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A lot of junk 'believers' are in the kingdom right now. They were put there by builders and planters and waterers that didn't do the task carefully. All the results of their work are going into the fire. Because what they did in the field and building of God won't make it through the judgement by fire at the end of the age.

Ah, hmmm, no, there is no "junk " in the kingdom. The kingdom of God remains holy.

But that's another topic I suppose.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

What a mess this thread is. The only important thing is are you trusting God? Is He showing you all the sneaky ways you compromise trust? Is He showing you the ways you are lying when you say you trust Him fully but prove you dont? It’s the little foxes that spoil the garden. If you are growing in trust and the obedience of trust rather than all your previous fretting and worrying, then you are doing the one thing He asks of you. And any problems you run into in this you can ask for what you need and ask for what you see you lack.

 

[Tong2020]

Glad that you agree.

So, with that, who do you say are those with such thoughts and sees the grace of God as such, if they are not the legitimate children of God? Who are they?

Whst thoughts? I don't understand the question.

How is it that you do not understand the question when the question is coming from my post which you said you agree?

see your post #1503

Tong
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[BarneyFife]

And actually it does in this case....it's a perfect yardstick spoken by Christ himself.

Christ said thousands of other perfect things. What makes this perfect thing more of a yardstick than other perfect sayings aside from your say-so?

 

[BarneyFife]

Well...thanks for being so clear! Name-calling, and speaking against the spiritualizing nature of God who "is spirit." That's all quite clear.

But no, you are not defining God or salvation or eternal life correctly. Salvation is when one comes to be One with God (just as Jesus prayed), at which point what they are is forever, just as God is forever.

So, yes, "God is not mocked." But you have it all backwards.

Only when you twist my words.

 

[BarneyFife]

It's good to hang out with fellow believers don't it? Are you learning more now by reading the Bible?

To God Be The Glory

Well, it's clear that one or both of us is engaged in sarcasm.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are Christians guilty of lying? How often do you think they lie? Everyday, every other day, after three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,………..30, 31, 32, 33,……..60,…..days? When do you say one is an ongoing liar?

Tong
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You can tell a true legalist when they start yelling murder adultry and other sins. But ignore their own sins. Or the smaller sins

James said if you break one even by accident your guilty of all.,,

who hear has lived up to the glory of God and not fallen short. Let him raise his hand. Because that is Gods grading scale,

 

[kcnalp]

Just as I thought then, that it was only your opinion and thinking, that there is no scriptures that says what you say, that “Satan is the OSAS creator.”

Nothing further. Have proven my point regarding that statement of yours.

Tong
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If you have the blood of a new Christian who fell away because you said he can't fall away, on your hands on Judgment Day, you will understand how Satan is the author of OSAS.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you have the blood of a new Christian who fell away because you said he can't fall away, on your hands on Judgment Day, you will understand how Satan is the author of OSAS.

If you have a child who disobeyed you causing you to kick him out of your family and have them burned

you can understand where NOSAS came from

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What a mess this thread is.

It's like a train wreck that I can't look away from, lol!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ah, hmmm, no, there is no "junk " in the kingdom. The kingdom of God remains holy.

But that's another topic I suppose.

Matthew 13:41-42

 

[kcnalp]

The truth hurts huh?

See how God made you confess!

"Comparing NON OSASers with Muslims, pagans, Hindus? There you go NON OSASers! The OSAS judges are sending you to Hell!"

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Just because someone says Once Saved Always Saved does not mean they know what it means

There is more to OSAS than just words.

There is more than one Osas. The first one got touted as the supreme truth, I mean, until the second one came along, lol.

 

[kcnalp]

There you go lying again should I report you?

You attacked me personally. I attack the OSAS hoax. See the difference?

 

[kcnalp]

So your gonna continue with this facade? Do you still sin? If your answer is yes then you just contradicted yourself. Because you believe you can still sin and be a Christian

your the one who does not know what OSAS is you prove it every time you post

So you can pick and choose your sins? You can lie but you can't deny Jesus or blaspheme the Holy Spirit. OSAS, VERY flexible and convenient!